Any way to listen to music (privately?)

I’m going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I’m on iOS, and I don’t know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU’s DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I’ve discovered so many great apps and tools I didn’t even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it’s still not perfect, I’ve been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I’m still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I’m using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can’t have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I’m so far loving Lemmy ;)

nyakojiru,
@nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Nicotine+ and Plexamp

airikr,

I download the music from YouTube (through front-end services like Piped) and play it locally through a music player.

I don’t know how it works on iPhone (I have an Android phone), but I can use NewPipe and LibreTube and Seal to download the music. If I’m on the go that is. Otherwise I download the music through ytdlp and transfer the files to my smartphone.

Apple really restrict their users to their own ecosystem.

uberrice,

Yt-dlp is great for getting music from YouTube music.

You even get fairly good quality if you have premium (I do through Argentina, so it costs me cents per month)

airikr,

Woot? yt-dlp premium? Never heard of it. yt-dlp have always been and will always be free (donations aside) since it’s open sourced. Sounds like you pay to a scammer. Or do you mean YouTube Premium? :)

uberrice,

YouTube premium to access the higher bitrates through Yt-dlp ;)

Anticorp,

MP3 files that you own. They can never take them away from you, and you don’t have to pay every month for them.

foxmoss,
@foxmoss@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Android has a fair few foss music apps.

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

flac

nomadjoanne,

Jellyfin.

Postis2,

Why? You can just use syncthing

nomadjoanne,

Some people have hundreds of gigabytes of perfectly legally obtained music.

They don’t want all of this on their phone. Also you can have your movies and shows on Jellyfin.

StewartGilligan,

If you want something on Android, check out https://github.com/vfsfitvnm/ViMusic. It uses YouTube Music as a back-end and can recommend stuff based on what you listen. It also supports offline playback. On desktop, you can use https://codeberg.org/Hyperpipe/Hyperpipe. It also uses YouTube Music as its back-end.

If you want ultimate privacy, then download your favorite songs and use VLC or self host them and stream it from there.

Postis2, (edited )

Vimusic is not getting updates anymore innertune is a vimusic fork that i think is better

Zorque,

Do people not just download music anymore?

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

I'm 26, and don't know anyone, myself included, who purchases and downloads music to any significant degree. Essentially everyone I know just uses streaming platforms.

Zorque,

Sounds terrible for privacy.

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Respectfully, I think you may be drastically overestimating how much average people care about that.

Zorque,

Well, considering the community this discussion is in...

And, respectfully, the average person doesn't seem to give much of a fuck about anything other their own base desires most of the time.

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Sure. But the question you asked was "Do people not just download music anymore?", and the answer to that question, which you seemed unaware of, is "Not really, no".

Do enjoy your highly refined and elevated desires, O noble one.

JubilantJaguar,

How to undermine one’s own comment with a gratuitous insult.

SomeAmateur, (edited )

Part of my job is traveling by air, so I got a $30ish sandisc mp3 player with a 200+gb sd card. I have a bunch of music and sometimes podcasts on there. Saves my phone battery, has zero ads, and as a bonus it has fm radio for surfing the stations below as they fade in and out every minute or so.

Blizzard,

He didn’t say anything about purchasing…

mishimaenjoyer,
@mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social avatar

to be fair, to buy albums off sites like bandcamp, cutting out greedy multinational media conglomerates and give the money to the ppl actually working on it (yeah, i know, fees, welcome to distribution) and getting basically every (losslees/hr) codec in return for "name your price"-conditions makes it questionable to pirate some indie album to save like three bucks.

Juno,

Wow, they got your generation good. I’m over here listening to flac files and mp3s I ripped in 2003.

InFerNo,

I have my music library that I listen to, to which I add songs by getting them from youtube (it’s good enough for my cheap on the go earphones). Sometimes I tune into radio stations that offer nonstop music (like stubru tijdloze).

shotgun_crab,

This is always surprising to me. I can understand streaming video due to their high file sizes, but audio (even FLACs) is a lot smaller in general. The only reason I use spotify sometimes is to discover new stuff.

Xirup,
@Xirup@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’ll be honest, the only way to listen to music privately is to download it. (And using an opensource music player)

There are Github repositories with CLI programs to download complete Spotify playlists with Youtube and also download their metadata.

merde,

there are also CDs and vinyl 🤷

CarlsIII,

Whoa, you can store music on CDs? That’ll save me a lot of bandwidth!

metaStatic,

something brilliant I've found with modern vinyl is a lot of them come with a download card so you can get lossless files.

now if they would just fucking advertise which ones that would be great.

carloshr,
@carloshr@feddit.cl avatar

This. There was music before the internet.

TheAlchemist,

Any opensource music players for iOS you recommend? I found Flacbox which seems alright (a little buggy but you can’t win them all, can you?)

adespoton,

I just use the Music app. With the privacy protections turned up and Apple Music disabled. All it does is ply my aac files without sending data back to Apple.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I’m not sure that’s totally true. The iOS ecosystem is very intertwined. It’s possible that the Music app isn’t sending data to Apple, but it is likely sharing it with whatever Apple calls the launcher, which likely shares it with Apple (or shares it with Siri or another app, which shares it with Apple).

ForestOrca,
@ForestOrca@kbin.social avatar

VLC - https://www.videolan.org/

aman25ta,

Its not opensource as far as i know, but i use documents5 (or 6 now?) by readdle and its been p good for music

Zetaphor,

I wrote a few scripts to automate this entire process for me:

zemmy.cc/post/25500?scrollToComments=true

utopia_dig,
@utopia_dig@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m using Qobuz. Since it is a rather small service, I just hope it is more private than the “big players” like Spotify/Apple Music. But the main benefits of Qobuz are the audio quality and the (afaik) highest payment per streamed song for artists.

MigratingtoLemmy,

Love Qobuz. It’s fucking beautiful

IGuessICan,

Beware, though… I found that the Qobuz app sends data to google-analytics.com, app-measurement.com, mixpanel.com, crashlytics.com, and graph.facebook.com, possibly others. This is all BEFORE EVEN LAUNCHING the app. I don’t consider Qobuz to be good for privacy…

utopia_dig,
@utopia_dig@lemmy.ml avatar

Which lossless streaming service do you consider to be better for privacy? Deezer, Tidal, …?

Dillacorn,

I built an OpenMediaVault NAS and run a JellyFin server on it… connect with wireguard and stream music with Symfonium I’ve decided to download on the web… it’s a little work to get there but it’s def private as long as you trust the devs. I’d also recommend vimusic for music discovery and web playing.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Is there something wrong with mp3s?

myself,

tried to go local but the apps are shitty

die-hard poweramp fan here but idk if it also exists for ios

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

ViMusic

Postis2,

No innertune is better and he is on IOS

slacktoid,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Setup your own subsonic or ampache server. nextcloud has an app for that.

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