JubilantJaguar

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JubilantJaguar,

Similar setup here, for same reasons. But I go further: my contact list is empty. Not a problem if your contacts are all on Signal or Telegram rather than SMS or Whatsapp. IMO contact lists are privacy scourge #1. They allow everyone to grass on their friends with zero consent.

How many of you run a Linux phone (Pine64, Librem etc) as your daily driver?

I was going through Pine64’s page again after I found the latest KDE announcement. With that said, I seem to see a lot of issues with firmware on the Pine, whilst the Librem is just plain out of budget for me. Was interested in how many people here run a Linux mobile as a daily driver, and how has your experience been?...

JubilantJaguar,

Banking 2FA can be done by SMS too, which is secure enough.

A world in which banking requires us to install spyware on our mobile computers is not a world we should accept.

JubilantJaguar,

As I said, SMS is secure enough without being the nightmare of a proprietary spyware app. As for fees, you have an American perspective, in most of the world SMS has been free to send for decades, and was always free to receive. The ideal solution is indeed a 2FA app, but those never took off.

How will we ever get away from plastics when they are ubiquitous for safety

Plastic seals food, sterile medical implements, medicine, beverages, etc… it’s seems like plastic is used as a way to seal things safely. Post pandemic rising, I see even more. My work used to be have plastic utensils in the cafeteria, for example, an already wasteful thing. Now, post-2020, every fork, knife, and spoon is...

JubilantJaguar,

IMO this is an unpopular opinion mainly because capitalism is a terribly polarizing word which now means different things to different people. On the left, it’s associated with imperialism and oppression. Among moderates and liberals it means the flawed ideology which beat something even worse, i.e. communism.

But the original meaning of capitalism was basically: accumulation. In other words, economic growth. And I think the jury is now in on this one. In the end, exponential growth is just not compatible with a living planet. The evidence is mounting on all sides. One example: the only period in recent history when the environmental indicators were all pointing the right way was the short deep recession that followed the financial crisis. That says an awful lot.

As a liberal I’ve changed my mind on this subject and I now agree with you.

Alright, I'm gonna "take one for the team" -- what is with the "downvote-happy" users lately?

Title. “lmao internet points” and all, but what is the point of participating in a community that sees assumptions and other commonly non-harmful commentaries/posts as “bad” this easily? Do folks in here are really that needy of self-validation, even if it means seeking such from something completely insignificant like...

JubilantJaguar,

It’s because some people don’t appreciate being told to shut up after they put time and effort into writing a thoughtful comment.

That’s what downvoting is. It’s telling someone to shut up.

JubilantJaguar,

But downvotes are not “just pixels”. They affect reputation and above all they affect the visibility of the actual comment.

So downvoting a good-faith opinion is not neutral. It’s censorious, it’s an expression of intolerance.

JubilantJaguar,

This problem absolutely can be fixed.

Slashdot fixed it.

Hacker News fixed it.

The problem has technical and cultural solutions. It’s the second of those that looks hardest here. Seems that non-specialist communities always devolve towards bad faith and bad vibes, IMO.

JubilantJaguar,

What I want is for thoughtful and interesting opinions to be visible. What you want is for the right opinions to be visible, and the wrong ones to be hidden. That is the difference between us.

JubilantJaguar,

Who are you to tell others how to think? Asking them to apologize, are you serious? The level of self-righteousness and self-absorption in your attitude is worrying.

JubilantJaguar,

At a guess, you seem to be talking to a member of a generation that never got contradicted during its childhood, that believes it has all the answers, that sees dissenters to its groupthink as social deviants who need be silenced. The Western enlightenment is yesterday’s news, we’ve moved on in the West! Well done for keeping your cool and staying polite.

JubilantJaguar,

Have you never asked yourself why so many people of this one religion turn out to have “psychological problems”? What are the chances of that statistically if, as you seem to suggest, religion has nothing to do with this?

Next, this person is trying to disassociate their skin color from their opinion, and in response you are insisting on essentializing them on the basis of biology. Have you considered how close this puts you to people you claim to abhor?

JubilantJaguar,

The whole concept of apologizing for opinions is just, well, wild. To me yes but I assure you to quite a lot of other people too. Not wanting to make this personal, but I would put money on a wager that you belong to a certain generation. One that, let’s say, is particularly certain of its moral rectitude and doesn’t put much stock in the value of free speech and the exchange of ideas.

JubilantJaguar, (edited )

Muslims in Europe aren’t more violent than non muslims

In terms of terrorism, the statistics say otherwise. In terms of general crime, the prison statistics do too. Of course, you will explain all this away as a product of systemic discrimination. But does it not bother you that immigrants of other religions, who also may also have darker skins, do so much better in their adopted homelands?

Also violence against muslims is systematically underreported

This is conspiracism. It’s impossible to argue with, by definition.

It is just that violence commited by muslims, or people claimed to be muslim is disproporitonately sensationalized by right wing media

This common argument is interesting because the implication is that speaker is somehow intellectually superior than the person being addressed. We all have access to the same information, how come only you know how to avoid being indoctrinated? Are you saying I’m dumb? Go on, just come out and say, I won’t be offended.

Because that’s what underlies the argument. As it happens, and as you might guess, I personally am extremely well-informed, and almost entirely from mainstream professional journalists who are affiliated to boring organizations with serious reputations to protect. I am over-educated and I don’t go near sensationalist right-wing media, or social media. And in fact I don’t even vote for right-wing parties. How do you explain that? I think you should try a new tack: taking people’s opinions at face value rather than looking for manipulation, and listening to why people themselves say they think what they do.

Addendum. Downvoting is so much easier than finding a counter-argument, right? I will take it as proof that my points hit their mark. Good night.

JubilantJaguar,

First off, I would just like to point out that I have not downvoted anyone in this thread. I do not censor other people’s opinions, however misguided I personally consider them. Apparently you do like to tape mask over the faces of people you disagree with.

he claims

You are getting lost in the claims and counter-claims. Their claim was that “Muslims are not more violent than non-Muslims”. Your claim is about who is committing terrorism. That is not the same thing.

The terrorist statistics have always skewed towards nationalists - but that is on the widest definition of terrorism. Arsons, letter bombs, and the like. But not the deaths caused by terrorism, which is what most ordinary folk are thinking about. That is Islamists, and has been for years. You should know that already, you seem well-informed. I will not speculate about your motives in ignoring it.

But now I am getting sidetracked too. My argument was about Islam versus other religions. And there, I’m afraid to say that the statistics are clear as day. And again, you both must know this already.

JubilantJaguar,

The hate you’re getting for this is so revealing and depressing. It basically proves you right.

To the haters: where is the factual problem with this personal opinion? Have you considered making a counter-argument instead, instead of simply lashing out with the downvote button like spoiled infants? This kind of tribal pile-on really pisses me off. You are literally censoring an opinion expressed in good faith - downvotes hide comments and reduce reputation. All while offering no rebuttal, no ideas of your own, nothing. Nice work.

JubilantJaguar,

Ha! Yes I agree completely with all of that.

And with your point here. In this world of pocket touchscreens and voice AIs, where young people don’t even know what a file is any more, the geeks here are reminding each other to empty their .cache directory from time to time. I mean, do they have no self-awareness? Or perhaps they simply don’t care if nobody chooses to use Linux. That at least would be coherent, but if there are no new users then eventually the whole thing will just die.

JubilantJaguar, (edited )

Fair enough, tho personally I don’t see this “doom-y language” you see, I just see a slightly exasperated opinion expressed in good grammar and good faith.

But personally I don’t downvote people for their opinions, ever, as a matter of principle. It’s literally a form of censorship, given that it hides the comments. It leads straight to a deadening groupthink where dissenters are scared to open their virtual mouths. It creates a general aura of negativity and intolerance that helps nobody at all. Downvoting, as it is used by most people here and on the R-site, is an absolute scourge. If anything makes me leave this community, it will be this.

JubilantJaguar,

Some good points here, I stand partially corrected.

There are in fact 2 completely separate things that irk me. The biggest is the virtual lynching that is mass-downvoting. I’m sorry, I will never ever pardon the downvoting of opinions, I think it’s the illness of the social internet since the very beginning. See my many other recent comments for evidence of how strongly I feel about this.

The other issue is the actual one at hand! You’re right that this cache folder business does not really concern most ordinary users, even on Ubuntu. But actually, if even we geeks need to tell each other to “remember to do X every now and then”, I have enough of an IT mind to think “Why do we need to remember anything?! The tool should do this job for us!” These are “babysitting” chores and IMO on a decent OS there should be zero babysitting, it should be set up once and then it should work forever, with any tweaking optional.

JubilantJaguar,

Good analysis, thanks.

regulation like that is only proposed to hide up other clauses and proposals that are equally bad or even worse - get the public distracted and thinking they made a difference

But IMO this bit was superfluous POV. An alternative theory is that nobody is secretly scheming to do anything, least of all the chaotic EU apparatus, and that most politicians are not experts and they are simply responding to various competing stimuli, as humans do. Notably elections and media hype and lobbyists. Personally I don’t get why so many people attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence, but whatever, I’m in the minority and that’s fine.

Interesting detail about the eID certificates. You’re right that Americans will find this crazy in the way that we Europeans might not. Perhaps Americans are right.

JubilantJaguar,

Yes the PDF-“signing” mascarade is beyond ridiculous but that’s definitely a thing in Europe too, certainly France and Germany. Maybe only for private businesses at this point, yeah. Personally I have a whole production line up and ready for photoshopping sigs and initials and even handwritten dates onto PDFs in order to comply with dumb instructions. It’s as if a handwritten signature, even in PNG form, has a magical superpower to make a document authentic. A bit like the security theater at entrances to buildings and transport. What’s important is to go through the motions of securing something, to prove that you really want it to be secure, rather than actually to secure it. A rite, basically.

But yes, having said all that, the alternative is maybe even worse! We’re gonna find out.

JubilantJaguar,

Obviously some dog breeds are smarter than others

“Obviously”, hmm? The balance of expert opinion is in fact that dog breeds do not vary in intelligence. Which makes sense given that dog populations have significantly fewer millennia of genetic divergence than human populations, and these days nobody much claims that some human breeds are smarter than others.

Falling into your own trap!

But otherwise a decent question.

JubilantJaguar,

You sound very certain that they are. Perhaps you should be the one who provides evidence?

As I understand it, in dogs most differences are between individuals, like in any other species. What can be said about breeds is that differences concern the application of their intelligence rather than how bluntly “smart” they are. For instance, labradors are a bit better at understanding social cues, and collies at acting on certain commands.

A recent study went into this. One point it made:

We did not find breed differences in tasks measuring logical reasoning or short-term memory

This makes sense. Dogs were domesticated more recently than the human lineage split between, say Aboriginal Australians and southern Africans. Would you be happy about making IQ statements for that case? If not, why exactly would it be different?

Intelligence is a pretty ill-defined measure, verging on pseudo-science in lots of case. Personally I think it is all but useless and that we would be better talking about easily measurable traits instead.

JubilantJaguar,

As I see it, the key advantage of Telegram is not technical, it is political.

Yes, Telegram is a slightly shady company with an ambiguous business model and a possibly-dodgy encryption algorithm (when it is even turned on).

But Telegram is based outside the reach of the West (in UAE, eastern Europe, maybe even Russia). Whatever its other problems, nobody thinks that Telegram is under the thumb of Western governments, as the Big Tech corporate messengers almost certainly are.

Personally I don’t care much if Russia or even China is spying on me. Because if we can be certain of anything in this world, it’s that Russia and China are not sharing their spyware data with Western intelligence agencies. And as Westerners we live outside the reach of the Russian and Chinese police states, fortunately. So for us it’s win-win for privacy. That’s the way I see it.

The ideal solution, of course, is a truly private messenger which protects everyone’s privacy, including Chinese and Russians.

JubilantJaguar,

For the average Westerner, the threat from shady Russian agents seems orders of magnitude less serious than that from their own governments and police forces.

For EE2E, the corporate spyware messengers are asking us to take their word for it. Hard.

About the server locations, that’s interesting and does indeed undermine my argument a bit.

JubilantJaguar,

This seems to be subtle jab at people who buy dead animals which led lives of misery, in order to eat them and their products.

As one of those people (occasionally), I agree with you. It’s way too easy to blame the evil companies. They only exist because we voluntarily pay them to do what they do. We are all responsible.

JubilantJaguar,

For a lot of people it’s not that easy, apparently. But well done.

JubilantJaguar,

This is a classic question of intuition. Personally I see your argument as a cop-out. By definition the supermarkets are just selling us what we want. That’s what supermarkets do, they’re not charities. If you want (somewhat) cruelty-free meat, it’s available in the organic shop across the road and it costs four times as much. Suddenly you don’t care so much about the chickens, right? Not blaming you or anyone in particular. This is who we are as humans. We want it tasty, we want it cheap, and the rest is something of an abstraction.

JubilantJaguar,

How will eating 3 junky meals be better than eating 2 of them?

Seems there’s a lot of latent anxiety about fat-shaming in this thread. Being fat is unhealthy, end of story.

JubilantJaguar,

If true, which it’s basically not, this is dumb distraction and click-bait.

So what is this “third meal” that so many people are supposedly giving up? Kebab? Big Mac and fries? Well surely that’s a win for everyone? Duh.

Sorry, but the reality is that poor people are not literally going hungry anywhere in Europe. Anyone who opens their eyes can see that. In almost every country in the world today, i.e. except the very poorest, poor people are fatter than rich people.

Completely inane and irrelevant and insulting to intelligence.

Addendum. To clarify, my point is that the problem with food today is the quality, the calories, the correlation with social inequality. It’s not the quantity and it’s certainly not the number of meals taken. Idiotic.

JubilantJaguar, (edited )

I don’t get this. My problem is being taken to be a fool.

How do you, personally, square these two observations:

  • There’s a worldwide obesity epidemic affecting all but the poorest of countries, and within each society the fattest people tend to be the poorest ones
  • Poor people - in rich Europe - are so poor that they can’t eat enough meals

Sorry, but something has to give. Which is it?

Addendum. Downvoting just proves you have no answer to the question.

JubilantJaguar,

Yes sure, I know all that. There is a real problem. Fundamentally it’s about economic inequality, like so many other social problems.

So people should stop using the damn word “hunger”.

This has nothing to do with hunger. it’s dishonest and manipulative to talk about hunger when the problem has nothing to do with being hungry.

Personally I’m fed up of being taken to be an idiot like this.

JubilantJaguar, (edited )

You are tying yourself in knots to pretend that that fat people are “hungry”. Why bother? Why not just use appropriate language, instead of mangling English like this?

I do not deny that there is a problem. I just hate being manipulated with language. It is dishonest, disingenuous, insulting. Fat people are not going hungry. Find another word.

Routine addendum. Downvoting does not make you right. It just proves you to be intolerant of other people’s opinions.

JubilantJaguar,

Yes, your point is that “hunger” should be interpreted very loosely, meaning in a sort of addiction-psychology way.

I think that’s a sophisticated re-rendering, and that most ordinary folks do associate the word “hunger” with famine, with starving, with terrible deprivation. Which is a real situation in a handful of desperate places in the world. I don’t think we should be conflating these two problems. One of them is far more urgent than the other.

I see this as just another instance of disingenuously sensationalist language and I would prefer people used the correct terms for what they are in fact talking about.

For the underlying substance, I agree with you and all the other censorious downvoters. I am just concerned about vocabulary and manipulation.

JubilantJaguar,

Sure. I agree with all that.

I don’t agree with labelling something “hunger” which is not hunger in the way ordinary folks understand it. You are talking about addiction. Hunger is the thin end of the wedge for starvation and famine. That is a thing in the world, still. It has all but nothing to do with the West’s inequality-fuelled addiction problems, or at least is something very, very different.

I just wish we would use language more correctly.

JubilantJaguar,

Finally, a decent rebuttal to my argument!

I agree about the conflation of absolute and relative poverty.

JubilantJaguar,

So if “malnourished” is better, as you imply, let’s use that instead. The issue is not hunger by any non-academic definition of the word.

You’ve made your case. Mine is that this is a clear example of sensationalist lexical inflation. Like calling everyone right of center a Nazi, it is intended to provoke engagement and emotion rather than to describe a fact.

JubilantJaguar,

Partly agreed. The ignorance of voters is irrelevant in a representative democracy. It’s not voters who make the law, it’s their representatives. Voters are supposed to pick representatives based on their values and then trust them to get on with learning about specific issues. The reason lobbying is inevitable is not that voters are ignorant, it’s that the representatives are incompetent or sleazy or lazy, they don’t take their job seriously, and they make laws according to whatever expert has their ear. Big business has the money to pay for their attention, and so NGOs end up having to play the same game.

Of course, whether all this is the fault of voters or politicians comes down to intuition. Most people say the latter. Personally I would say it’s the former. After all, in a democracy we get the politicians we deserve, by definition.

JubilantJaguar,

How exactly do you propose to do that? This sort of thing is always suggested, it sounds great, but in practice it is really, really hard. Ordinary people just do not have the time to scrutinize every decision in every committee meeting and be on their representatives’ backs night and day. Time is money, and big business can pay for expert lobbyists to do the legwork. Which is why NGOs have to exist, to fight back by doing the same thing. As you imply, you can’t really ban people from exercising influence, that quickly ends up being undemocratic. But big business will always have more money, therefore time, than everyone else. There’s no easy fix to the problem unfortunately.

JubilantJaguar,

Perhaps the theory is that Catholic culture and family values mean that all the sex is more hidden, and therefore “repressed”. Not really true for France at least, though.

JubilantJaguar,

France religious? Try again.

Most of these are fairly accurate though. 8/10.

JubilantJaguar,

And of course this sort of thing happens every day in authoritarian countries.

This is not a technical problem at all, it’s a political and cultural one.

Anyone else feels like they want to destroy their old sim and never give their contact to anyone ever again?

If signal gets the new username feature, this just might be what i do, so fricking tired of people just blindly giving random apps and websites their contact permissions and they get my contact as well, and there’s nothing i can do about it

JubilantJaguar, (edited )

Agreed. Phone numbers are now people’s de-facto UIDs. And somehow we collectively decided that Big Tech should have free access to this information to construct giant social graphs and analyze as it sees fit. Crazy sh**.

So the decline of SMS definitely has a silver lining. If each siloed messaging app uses its own UIDs, and this data stays out of people’s d** contact lists*, then in theory this is a privacy win.

What I worry about is that the OS gatekeepers, i.e. Google and Apple, will contrive to get apps like Signal and Telegram to populate the mobile contact lists with these new IDs. “So you never lose your data”, etc. Then they can keep triangulating the information and we’re back to square one.

The only failsafe solution is to ban individual users from sharing their friends’ IDs without their consent. Just as the GDPR bans websites from doing exactly the same thing. For that the EU is our only hope as usual.

JubilantJaguar,

Ha! So people do audit the edit history! I agree but I also think people swear too much, including me apparently. It’s cheap, it adds nothing, it devalues the language, IMO to drop a fuck or shit or damn is mainly about making the speaker feel better, it does nothing for the reader except undermine the seriousness of whatever they’re reading.

So asterisks felt like a good compromise, d*** it.

How do you work full-time and stay awake all shift?

A few questions to people who have struggled long-term with fatigue, exhaustion, insomnia, etc.: what do you do to keep awake for a full-time workday? Black coffee, supplements, herbs, drugs/prescriptions, other? None, and it required a lifecycle habit change? Have you had success with “desk” jobs sitting all day, or had to...

JubilantJaguar,

Don’t work full time. That’s how to do it. Of course, this will mean less money, less stuff, smaller stuff, possibly a change in your social life, maybe even moving to a society with less materialist values. But your quality of life will not suffer, quite the opposite. I speak from experience. Beyond a certain number of hours, work has a cost to one’s quality of life. If you are serious about reducing that cost, there is only one way to do it. Work less.

JubilantJaguar,

Farmers have become like religious figures in the developed world. Nobody dares to criticize them, out of some kind of misplaced guilt for living in cities and shopping in supermarkets. Well, we need to get over this cultural cringe towards farmers because it’s killing us. The subsidies they receive should be going to their poor compatriots. The tariffs that protect them should be abolished so that their competitors from Africa and elsewhere can get a leg up at last. And their disastrous industrial techniques need to be regulated to oblivion: pesticides, nitrate pollution, over-irrigation, and obviously the moral catastrophe that is factory farming. Farmers have too much power just about everywhere, partly because they’re over-represented in politics yes, but we only tolerate that because so many people still think that agriculture is special in some mythological way. Well it’s not. It’s a sector like any other and farmers are just ordinary citizens with too much power. They need to be brought down to size.

JubilantJaguar,

Personally I’m not sure I like the idea of a zero-sum world where every country is zealously protecting its own food resources.

JubilantJaguar,

Quick politics primer. The EU Parliament is not all-powerful. It cannot even propose legislation (yet). The EU is still mostly a confederation so it’s the governments that hold the reins. But the EP has to say yes for anything to pass. And since it is essentially a consultative body, the EP also tends to contain at least a handful of earnest idealists and specialists (usually Germans) who know when to say no, and how to amend legislation. They are often from the Greens-EFA parliamentary group and sometimes from the liberal Renew group. That is likely what happened here, yet again. It is very important for EU citizens to vote for these parties and candidates in EU elections. The next election is coming up in 6 months.

JubilantJaguar,

So easy! Whatsapp!

Dumbest. Name. Ever.

So hopelessly of its time, namely that moment when the word “app” was the coolest thing ever among normies because iPhone.

And, cherry on the top, coined by geeks with language skills so poor that they thought “app” rhymes with “up”, which it absolutely does not to anyone who speaks English properly.

What an embarrassingly dumb name.

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