mod_pp,
@mod_pp@lemmy.world avatar

Speedy speed

Ichiro,

Yup i tried it and it worked…

pap1rus,
@pap1rus@lemmy.ml avatar

Probably a boost from a better cooling condition.

mvirts,

Yeah, duh!

trustnoone,

Why do I get better phone signal when the wind is blowing the right way hmmmm

mifan,
@mifan@feddit.dk avatar

No - but you can connect to two routers at the same time, because then the waves will amplify each other making the signal stronger.

MufinMcFlufin,

I’m a big metal fan. Will my presence boost my Wi-Fi signal?

madcaesar,

How would this work? Doesn’t each router broadcast its own signal? Wouldn’t they interfere?

MystikIncarnate,

The poster is being sarcastic.

In all seriousness, you can have two completely independent routers operating on different channels that don’t interfere. This is how large wireless systems work. A large number of wireless access points (same basic premise as a wireless router, but with more wireless features and fewer router features), each will operate on their own frequency that won’t interfere with it’s neighboring access points. There’s a limit to how far this goes, since there’s only so many non-overlapping wireless frequencies…

The idea is to move the access points into places that are far enough apart that when you run out of non-overlapping frequencies, you can re-use a frequency that’s been used, but is in use far enough away that it won’t interfere.

The idea that adding more radios will boost your signal… that’s valid, but the radios need to be very carefully managed to ensure that everything is working in a way where that goal is achieved. This is the foundation of how beamforming works. Each wireless interface is a set of radios; you’ll see this advertised as something along the lines of 3x3 or 2x2, on spec sheets. More is better, but both sender and reciever needs the same number to get the full effect. Most cell phones and laptops are 1x1 or 2x2… how this makes beamforming happen is that one will transmit slightly before the other, and because of the difference in their placement the two signals create what’s called “constructive interference” and they effectively combine into a stronger signal.

The big trick to get all this working with wifi, is that all the radios are effectively on the same chip. They’re about as closely bonded as they can be. Trying to do this with two different radios in two different devices is nigh impossible. It’s certainly impractical.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

If it has metal blades then it will reflect some of the radio signals, making the transceiver more directional. With how it’s set up in the post, it could potentially be a benefit to devices that face the front of the router and fan, but a disadvantage to devices behind the fan. Same logic with that Facebook trick of putting tin foil or cut up drink cans behind the antennae.

However, most newer and higher end routers use beam forming antenna arrays which are already directional and can automatically focus the signal toward your devices. Having reflectors around those can actually interfere with the antenna array and decrease speeds for all devices.

ItsABarmcake,

Next you’re going to tell me having the microwave on slows my WiFi down!

klyde,
@klyde@lemmy.world avatar

Facebook lmao. That trick was around decades before Facebook.

MystikIncarnate,

Beam forming is a bit more complex than just being directional.

It makes the signal stronger in the target location, but the antenna is still very Omni-directional. It’s just using extremely small signal offsets between transmission antennas to optimise the amplitude of the signal in the area of the receiver.

Directional antennas can still very much help, as well as wave guides to push more signal in the desired direction (sacrificing signal in another, potentially undesired or unrequired direction).

Source: over 10 years in IT with a focus on wireless network technologies.

It gets really interesting when you get into mimo and multi-user mimo, and the system is transmitting on the same channel to multiple endpoints at once, with different data for each. Shit is crazy.

peppy,

And put weapons grade Uranium in front of it to get the quantum boosts.

IWantToFuckSpez,

Just buy a satellite dish off eBay and place it behind the router

WhyIDie,

depending on the fan, this would blow the wifi too fast past the devices. to counteract this, you have to cover your devices in magnets to catch them

Gladaed,

May work in niche cases where passive cooling is insufficient and overeating causes Instabilität.

toastus,

INSTABILITÄT!!!

DrOakfield,

I dunno, I thought that it was instabilität that causes overeating.

flyte,

It’s a vicious cycle. But you already knew that, doctor.

npz,

yes and you can also leave out a plate of cookies where you want a strong signal so the wifi waves will go there when they’re hungry

milicent_bystandr,

Just don’t bring the ones from the third party, I heard they’re bad for the privvy or something.

Honytawk,

Don’t be silly!

Wifi is not man, Wifi doesn’t eat cookies

It eats lead. That is why wifi antenna’s have a bit of lead surrounded by copper, so it can lure the wifi with the lead and catch it with the copper. Also why it stops at lead walls since it is like a buffet for them.

Agent641, (edited )

The wifi beams come out in all direction. You can help boost the wifi by placing a mirror behind the router. Then the rays will be reflected back to you and not wasted.

Kase,

I’m about 62% sure this is a joke…

Please help, I’m clueless about this kind of stuff.

NicolasVerdi,

It’s the same principle of al satellite dish and it works, but I’m 86% sure that mirrors won’t affect wifi, so we’re still not at 100% but getting there.

pedro,

Depends on what frequency your “mirror” mirrors.

A traditional one reflects higher frequency of electromagnetic rays (visible light) than what you need for wifi (in the microwave frequencies)

erez,
@erez@programming.dev avatar

So you’re saying the walls of an old microwave might do the trick

Shard,

Jokes aside, anything made of metal will be a good enough reflector for most consumer use.

A coke can cut vertically in half makes a great parabolic relfector. Pepsi can maybe. Dr pepper not recommended.

MystikIncarnate,

Actually yes.

Microwave ovens work by exciting water molecules using many hundreds of watts of ~2.45 GHz microwaves.

This specific frequency has a heating effect on water, so when you blast enough of it at food, which is often very saturated with water, it will heat up. The heat energy will transfer to the rest of the molecules in the food by contact.

That’s the general idea at least… I’m sure there’s more interactions that happen, water is just the most significant, to my knowledge.

So the protection in the microwave is capable of reflecting (for the purposes of containment) 2.4Ghz microwaves very well, and bluntly, does a good job with many other radio waves too, across a pretty broad band of frequencies… so the material that makes up the protective chassis of a microwave is ideal for making a reflector for wifi, since it was constructed with the idea of reflecting 2.4Ghz frequencies. Microwave ovens create the signal fairly crudely with a magnetron, but the underlying concepts are the same.

Bene7rddso,

If it’s a silver layer on a glass/plastic pane (like basically any mirror) and it’s big enough (more than idk, let’s say 20 cm to be safe) why wouldn’t it mirror the lower frequencies too?

pedro,

Oh yeah probably but it might absorb some or even more thant it reflects

MystikIncarnate,

Not enough interaction with the waves.

I’m not fully versed on all the physics of it, but to my understanding, the layer of silver that makes up the reflective surface of a mirror is crazy thin, like, less than the thickness of paint.

The basic concept I was explained is that the longer the wavelength (lower frequency) the easier it is for it to penetrate obstacles, specifically things that are relatively opaque to radio waves. The very high frequency (small wavelength) waves of light, are so small that almost everything interacts with them; so when they make it to the silver layer, despite that silver layer being impossibly thin, the >100THz waves, will bounce. When dealing with stuff that’s much lower frequency (like 2GHz to 5Ghz, many orders of magnitude lower frequency), there’s not enough of the material to interact with the wave to have any significant effect on its propagation, so it passes right through.

This is a good observation and a great question. I’m sorry I couldn’t be more specific, I’m just not as well versed in the physics of it all to really get into the details; but I hope this helps.

obinice,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Look up the DIY parabolic reflectors people used to use on their WiFi antennas, they did actually work! I used one and recorded a marked improvement in WiFi strength at the furthest point in my home that was previously a low connection quality spot.

Radio waves come out of an antenna and just go in every direction, so a router against your outer wall is wasting a lot of its energy just directed into the neighbour’s house. If you can reflect some of that back in, you get improved signal reception. It’s very cool :-)

AccountMaker,

But if waves transmit information, and the same information comes at all sides, won’t the signals that bounce off the reflector arrive after the waves with a direct line and thus transmit redundant information?

bingbong,

Waves can bounce off of everything, wifi/Bluetooth/cellular automatically compensate for this effect. There is a lot of signal processing involved with wireless data transmission to filter noise and correct errors. This is part of the reason why it’s taken decades to reach this level of wifi speeds and why Bluetooth has a real hard time matching wired audio.

MystikIncarnate,

Yes. They will.

When creating a reflector, you want to place it a specific distance from the focal point, so the waves are in sync with the waves going direct to the device, they will be offset one or two full wavelengths, but that hardly matters. About a half wavelength away from the emitter/antenna is ideal.

There’s also a way to calculate the parabolic arc you want to make the signal very directional (the way a satellite dish works, but in reverse. Those dishes collect and concentrate the signal, in this case you want to redirect the emission in the same direction - think about it like a flashlight, where the majority of the light is in a small cone in the middle, but there’s still some light going everywhere that isn’t blocked by the mirror reflector dish in the flashlight).

There’s a hundred different ways to get this done, tons of antenna designs to work with, but in general, wifi uses beamforming, which is a method to use multiple antennas that are transmitting the same signal, but they have the exact waveform slightly offset from eachother, which makes the signal much stronger in the complementary direction. It basically generates a beam the hard way. Wifi has gotten very good at doing this, so reflectors and directors, and all that fancy antenna design stuff isn’t really required.

The only real improvement to be made, given wifi’s current complexities, is to put in larger antennas; most wifi antennas are quarter wavelength or often smaller… “Upgrading” to well matched full wavelength antennas may yield some benefit, but there’s a lot of nuance there too. It’s a deep subject so I’m just touching on how things go. I find it fascinating, I’m sure not everyone does.

Pulptastic,

I have one against an outside wall to get service in my standalone garage. Success.

elxeno,

I think mirror won’t work, but this might:

wifi booster

MystikIncarnate,

So, wifi is made up of radio waves, specifically micro waves, which are all sub-classifications of electromagnetic waves.

There’s another common electromagnetic wave you’ve certainly heard of: visible light.

While the wording is a bit awkward, the previous poster isn’t wrong. Just, in radio, it’s referred to as a reflector, not a mirror. Same principle, different area of technology.

EM is incredibly interesting especially since all data communication, with the exception of copper wires, is EM. Fiber optic is light, which we’ve established, is EM, and wifi is radio, which is also EM. Apart from the copper in your ethernet/DSL/Coax cable, it’s all EM. It’s fascinating to me that we use EM for so much, and fiber is considered the pinnacle of data connections, yet, light propagates slower through glass than radio propagates through the atmosphere, so technically, wifi can get a signal from A to B faster than fiber can… and we put that stuff in our house.

All EM is at, or near, the speed of light. Glass, used in fiber, tends to slow the light down about 30% or so… that’s fascinating because the internet is largely fiber, and so the information for this or anything else on the internet is being delivered to your device at, or very near the speed of light.

Anyway, I’m off topic. I’m just a gigantic nerd about this stuff.

Sordid, (edited )

Technically yes, but in practice any gains are going to be counteracted if not outweighed by the electromagnetic noise from the fan’s motor. To avoid that interference and see any real improvement in your signal strength, you’d have to either use a fan with a shielded motor (the last such model went out of production in 1953, so good luck finding one) or a fan driven by an alternative power source such as a water wheel.

lauha,

Pretty sure both parts of your answer is wrong

OldPain,

Yeah that’s true, but nah.

EqMinMax,
@EqMinMax@lemmy.world avatar

source: reddit

UltraMagnus0001,

use a fan with metal blades

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