HafizMuhammad,
@HafizMuhammad@mastodon.social avatar

ChromeOS is just spyware that's eye candy.

elbarto777, (edited )

I don’t understand the point of this article. It said all that it had to say with the headline alone. Everything else is filler.

“ChromeOS is Linux in disguise. But people already knew this.” Ok. And?

dinckelman,

Welcome to journalism in 2023. You don’t write anything out of passion anymore, you’re just filling your weekly quota with random words

JubilantJaguar,

How much did you pay for journalism last month? And yet you expect quality and passion.

dinckelman,

I don’t expect quality from them, that’s why I don’t really pay attention to corporate journalism. I get most of this kind of information from individual creators, and I do support those when I can

JubilantJaguar,

Good for you, and I’m impressed by your undefensive and unhuffy reply.

Because the amount of entitlement I see about professional journalism really pisses me off, personally. There is a reason that much (not all) journalism is not the quality it used to be. It’s because nobody is frigging paying for it any more. Journalists are not the perpetrators in this story, they are the victims. The internet has caused their profession to implode. It’s their jobs that have disappeared on a huge scale, their salaries that have shrunk, their career choice that turned out to be a catastrophic bad move. All because of a technical innovation, basically. Well, personally I think we may come to regret the demise of this profession which served society well for at least a century. But the least we can do is stop the victim-blaming.

Rant over. No, I am not a journalist. Very glad of that career choice.

somas,
@somas@kbin.social avatar

Does this mean I can reasonably expect to buy a Chromebook and install vanilla Linux without huge headaches?

There’s always been Linux distros that targeted Mac hardware. There’s got to be something like that for chromebooks, right?

DrRatso,

Why would you not be able to? Isn’t a chromebook just a laptop with garbage specs?

ObiGynKenobi,

There are actually Chromebooks with very solid specs, but no, it isn’t that simple. They have custom firmware and components that often don’t play well with Linux, or Windows for that matter.

DrRatso,

Okay, thanks for clearing this up. Chromebooks have turned me off since their inception, I just assumed since they are made by regular laptop companies that they are plain old low-spec machines running a lightweight OS with minimal functionality.

dinckelman,

Not really. A Chromebook to a laptop is basically what a gaming console is to a desktop pc. Yes, it shares a lot of hardware, and the ISA too these days, but even then a lot of it might be trimmed down without any notice, or on the software side, you might be locked into what you get. They did make it easier to install Linux flavors, bit you still get what you get

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

the true wysiwyg device

astroturds,

Not always, I have one with an amd chipset that I can’t get Linux on (last time I checked).

You have to open them up and remove a screw then install different firmware.

The dell Chromebook 11 I got from eBay for under £20 was easy to get it working on though.

ObiGynKenobi,

No, this isn’t something you can expect.

There used to be a distro called Gallium OS, but it’s been dead for a couple years now.

ParanoidFactoid,
@ParanoidFactoid@beehaw.org avatar

The issue is that Google locks down the bootloader. Nothing prevents the compute and display hardware from running a traditional Linux distribution, but that “trusted” bootloader does.

BetaDoggo_,

Not even remotely. It requires custom firmware which often requires physical disassembly to install. From there you can install any distro, but you will continue to have many small issues and inconveniences often due to the nonstandard keyboard.

There was a Chromebook targeted Linux distro called eupnea that could be installed without custom firmware via depthboot, but it’s dead now and the original repo got deleted after the Dev got hacked, so the build scripts don’t work anymore.

erwan,

You can install vanilla Linux, but huge headaches are involved.

I did it, and it worked, but I had to open is and remove a foil (equivalent to a jumper), go to developer mode, then flash a new bootloader by running a script from GitHub.

Think flashing a ROM on a pretty locked down Android device.

The upside is that when the process is done, you have a regular PC and no need to do any cumbersome process again.

UnfortunateShort,

Chromebooks use some custom tailored coreboot variant, right? Not surprising that they’ve locked it down while they were at it.

soulfirethewolf,

I would definitely get a Chromebook, but only once you can change the default browser from Chrome without needing to do any weird workarounds like Android apps

ScreaminOctopus,

It kinda crazy you can’t do this, wasn’t Microsoft forced to let you change default browsers in an antitrust suit?

JustARegularNerd,

Its okay, once Microsoft introduces EdgeOS, they can claim that Edge is an integral part of the OS, and therefore cannot be removed.

…oh wait, that’s just Windows 10 onwards

BetaDoggo_,

As someone who has owned a Chromebook for several years, I can tell you that you shouldn’t. Hardware wise it’s hard to beat Chromebooks at their price points, but the complete lack of control over the system is a deal breaker. I don’t have time to list all of the issues I’ve had. In many cases what would have been trivial fixes on a normal Linux system required full reinstalls on chromeOS. Like the time I accidentally filled up the fairly modest system storage. The system refused to allow me to delete anything, requiring a reset just to get local file management abilities back.

I ultimately ended up installing full Linux on it, which ended up being a whole other ordeal due to all of Google’s “security” features.

maryjayjay,

Do you have to jailbreak the hardware to install another OS or is it supported?

BetaDoggo_,

There are 2 ways to do it, either via depthboot(software only, no custom firmware, lots of manual OS prep, 0 risk) or custom firmware(maybe physical, model dependant, no os prep, small risk). For custom firmware you usually have to either bridge an internal jumper, unplug the battery, or build a custom cable, depending on your model.

While it is allowed it’s not supported by google.

I would never recommend buying a Chromebook with the intention of replacing the OS unless you’re looking for a project or you’re getting it for cheap.

merthyr1831,

TLDR it’s harder to replace the OS on a Chromebook than a Mac, and you get none of the benefits of Mac hardware.

not_gsa,

Does anyone actually buy Chromebooks apart from schools?

Fjor,

I sure hope not 😅

raven,

I had a tiny Dell Chromebook 11 through college running arch. It had a 10/10 keyboard and a decent IPS display, paired with an efficient bitmap font it was perfect for my needs. I should grab one off eBay, it looks like they’re only $40 or so now.

danielton,

I’m wondering the same thing. Chromebooks cost way too much for what they are.

BirdyBoogleBop,

Unless you go with “high spec” one they are all basically under £350 and generally way cheaper than that.

Is that not cheap?

lord_ryvan,

And this is the reason why it does well in schools.

danielton,

That is cheap, but if you go to Google’s own page about Chromebooks, the options you see there are all in regular laptop pricing territory. Does anyone actually buy Pixelbooks or gaming Chromebooks?

zwekihoyy,

yes but no. the pixelbook was by far and away the nicest build quality of any laptop I’ve owned, and the Linux containers has basically made it a normal laptop other than requiring chrome. with that said, I bought it second hand for ~$200 would never have even considered it for its original $1000 or whatever it listed at.

ChromeOS is also the most secure desktop focused os you can get so I usually use it for banking and stuff like that.

float,

My girlfriend bought a really cheap one from Lenovo. Besides watching movies and browsing the web there’s not much you can do because ChromeOS is extremely limiting. Wouldn’t ever recommend anyone to buy anything with ChromeOS on it.

DerEineDa,

Sounds like the perfect device for my parents and many many other people I know.

Quill7513,

My parents, for whom the internet is the only worthwhile thing a computer can be used for, love their Chromebook

lord_ryvan,

They’d probably love a Linux system not by Google just as much.

You could try Mint, it’s pretty friendly in my experience, the GUI installer (with the full apt and flathub repos) helps, and Mint can support auto updates which will help the non-tech savvy a lot!

Quill7513,

You over estimate how tech savvy my folks are. Dad doesn’t even know how to fully shut down the computer

lord_ryvan,

“The button on the computer that also turns it on”

Also, this is exactly why the OS should auto update for people like them, rather than them having to use the updater and fill in their password and whatnot

float,

Just keep in mind that after update support ends, it’s a ticking time bomb. And there’s basically no “second life” for it because it’s so locked down.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Yep, my parents have a few. Way easier than dealing with them installing windows malware constantly or having to maintain Linux for them.

tony,

I love my chromebook, 90% of the time when I’m lazing around nothing I need uses more than a browser, although it also runs a debian variant and can run android apps, which is useful occasionally. It’s light, doesn’t get remotely hot, has no fan noise and the battery lasts ages.

My mother has one because she doesn’t need the complexity of windows breaking everything… she only needs gmail and facebook.

mustbe3to20signs,

I bought one used as a Couch PC and replaced ChromeOS with a proper linux install.

frostycakes,
@frostycakes@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean, it was for on campus use, but I bought one in college to have a cheap note taker and basic homework machine for on campus that wouldn’t set me back too far if it got stolen or broken. I had a gaming desktop at home and was in a non-technical major, so it worked out great.

eluvatar,

Does anyone use Adobe apart from schools? Yes, because the students who used it at school went to work and wanted to use it there.

Euphoma,

Some adobe products are way ahead of the competition (patenting useful stuff) and they integrate nicely with each other. I don’t use them out of principle but that’s why people use them.

HughJanus,

So sad and unfortunate that we’re indoctrinating children to be spied on.

TalldarkNmexican,

Yes

sronweb,

In my desktop at home the main OS is Ubuntu, basically since more than 15 years, but I own also 2 Chromebooks laptops. I have a Lenovo Duet which i use mainly because I can run both Android and Linux apps, and it allow me to watch streaming services in offline. I would prefer to use any “gnu-linux” distro on a portable device, but if you wish to watch Amazon Prime or Netflix offline, you can only use a tablet with Android or iOs but on linux pc you are limited on web app typically, except in Chromebook which has some extra flexibility. Also I don’t find invasive so far, more or less we have the same privacy settings as in Android. As benefit it’s supported for 10 years for OS updates. And, in the future I may also decide to install a pure linux distro if I need.

Pantherina,
@Pantherina@feddit.de avatar

Its called torrenting my friend. Real control, real offline, no proprietary DRM bullshit

sronweb,

I have used years ago different download platforms, years before Torrent, in the time of Napster, Emule etc. but so far the official streaming service provide a good offer, without wasting time. I don’t think it worst the effort to download illegally ie comparing with price of Prime. I see now a tendency when the platform cost will increase and users should, in theory have 10 platforms, where i may understand the reason for people returning to illegal download. The streaming service companies should think carefully before increasing the price or creating new rules to share the cost.

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

Stremio can stream torrents do free with a netflix-like interface.

sronweb,

Thanks. It’s interesting but I’m traveling a lot for business, and I need offline content. That’s one of reasons to use Chromebook for me .

erwan,

Sure, they provide a good offer but force you to use a Chromebook instead of a regular Linux distro… Sounds like a big constraint to me.

sronweb,

I understand. In this case we should blame the streaming companies about it and if I need this function I have not much choice apart illegal download.

Pantherina,
@Pantherina@feddit.de avatar

I often find movies I dont get anywhere. Music even more, awesome quality.

dack,

Some Chromebooks are pretty hackable. I’ve got an older one that I reflashed with tianocore UEFI firmware. It makes for a pretty decent cheap and lightweight low power laptop. You can run basically any standard ARM Linux distro on it.

anothermember,

ChromeOS is Linux is technically correct I would say in the least helpful way possible. Linux but it misses the point.

The site is aboutchromebooks.com, hmm…

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

Okay, aboutchromebooks.com

tsonfeir,

The absolute last thing I’m going to do is use a Google product.

Neon,

They have the best security of any desktop OS iirc

float,

You’re not safe from Google though. And that’s quite a big backdoor if you’re a target of interest.

tsonfeir,

Forgot the /s

Neon,

Security, not privacy

ChromeOS has sandboxing, which already puts it miles ahead of Windows and Linux (no, the Flatpak Sandbox doesn’t count)

tsonfeir,

It’s not the only desktop OS that has sandboxing.

zwekihoyy,

windows sandbox is… getting there, macos is decent but iirc the app dev can choose to not use it. all Linux options require user intervention to ensure it’s set up properly. ChromeOS’ sandboxing technique is inherited from Android and is the strongest/strictest of any desktop operating system.

const_void,

Hilarious title. Can you install Firefox?

Goodtoknow,
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anothermember,

Can you uninstall Chrome?

d3Xt3r,

But that would turn them into books.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

Mission accomplished.

Suoko,
@Suoko@feddit.it avatar
sronweb,

You can install from Android or from linux environment, but last one is a virtualization and it’s a bit slow.

Adderbox76,

And yet an onscreen keyboard for linux apps is still “on the roadmap”…

Infiltrated_ad8271,
@Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social avatar

With wayland this also happens in the rest of linux.

southernwolf,
@southernwolf@pawb.social avatar

I mean, that’s the case for KDE too, so can’t really throw stones there.

BarrierWithAshes,
@BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social avatar

Quite possibly one of the most misleading statements ive ever read.

halfempty,
@halfempty@kbin.social avatar

ChromeOS is a totally locked down distro of Linux. I prefer Debian Linux with an XFCE desktop thank you.

ThatHermanoGuy,

It always was.

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