petunia,

Feeds/timelines are first-class citizens in the AT protocol and are decoupled from account hosting.

On Mastodon, your timelines are computed by the same server that hosts your data. Consequently, signing up to a server to have an account on the fediverse is the same thing as joining a community. You follow the servers rules and share the same local timeline as everyone else on that server.

On Bluesky, feeds are arbitrary, fungible and provided by any server, and it can be computed/curated/moderated however they like. So communities are “built” around feeds rather than around account hosting providers.

The AT protocol also has “real” account portability (though I have not seen this demonstrated in practice atproto.com/guides/overview#account-portability). On Mastodon, account “portability” is a delicate dance that requires the cooperation of both the origin and destination server.

Mastodon has something that Bluesky currently doesn’t: real federation. The Bluesky server that everyone signs up to doesn’t federate with anyone else, since the whole protocol is still a work-in-progress.

Corgana,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

My money’s on BS never federating at all. Mastodon Instances are communities unto themselves. The way BS is set up means an “instance” is essentially just free additional hosting for BlueSky Inc. It’s decentralized similarly to how crypto is decentralized. Of course, what else would one expect from Jack.

Pixelle,
@Pixelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

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  • Corgana,
    @Corgana@startrek.website avatar

    For real. It’s not like Twitter was markedly different before Elon.

    Natanael,

    There’s a sandbox with federation with third party clients already live. Every piece of the system can be federated or substituted.

    If somebody wanted to fork out and federate in open now they could. They aren’t doing so because it’s still work in progress, especially moderation tooling and scaling needs improvements

    Callie,
    @Callie@pawb.social avatar

    This isn’t really Bluesky specific, but the artists I follow are by in large, on Bluesky and not Mastodon, and that’s pretty much the only reason I want to use it

    g0g0gadget,
    @g0g0gadget@artemis.camp avatar

    Same but for journalists/writers.

    Omega_Haxors,

    An artificial scarcity model which gets people excited over the chance to join diet twitter.

    SnokenKeekaGuard,
    @SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Tho I agree with all the comments I have to say the general vibe of bluesky is more playful and fun compared to mastadon, perhaps its just my bias. But just like lemmy generally feels like a nice place to be so does bluesky- the vibe feels inviting.

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Have an invite?

    SnokenKeekaGuard,
    @SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    No i’m sorry

    Granite,
    @Granite@kbin.social avatar

    I do. DM me.

    Note: I only have 1 available right now.

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    I DMed let me know if kbin/Lemmy messaging is broken.

    Granite,
    @Granite@kbin.social avatar

    It must be because I got this comment, but not a DM. I’ll try to DM you.

    Edit: I tried to send a message but 403 error. :/

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Well that’s ridiculous. Had no idea that wasn’t possible til just now.

    Granite,
    @Granite@kbin.social avatar

    I can post the invite code here, but you’ll have to be fast lol. Let me know

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Alright, I’ll try lol

    Granite,
    @Granite@kbin.social avatar

    bsky-social-zaplb-ptgw6

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    Got it, thanks!

    Hubi,
    @Hubi@feddit.de avatar

    I’ve got an account on Bluesky and I’m not sure if I agree. Like 90% of the posts I’ve seen on there are about Bluesky itself, there wasn’t really anything beyond that.

    SnokenKeekaGuard,
    @SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Well small new platforms do have a lotta posts about themselves, lemmy isnt new but is still full of posts about lemmy

    Hubi,
    @Hubi@feddit.de avatar

    I generally agree, but I felt like Bluesky was on a whole different level.

    be_excellent_to_each_other,
    @be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

    I think the issue is that there's a slow trickle of people who have just gotten in and go "Wow I just got in, has anyone got any tips?"

    Find one or more feeds you like and pin them. I use the newly created For You feed (which algorithmically puts stuff there it thinks you will like) and a couple of topical feeds that are specific to my interests. I think it's great. Way more content that I care about than there ever was on twitter, and way way more engagement between folks.

    I'm a big proponent of Mastodon/Firefish in general, but while they win in volume, Bluesky is already pulling ahead for me in signal to noise ratio. (I think that's very subjective to what things interest you, so YMMV.)

    dpkonofa,

    Yeah, if you can get past all the posts about Reddit. Lemmy users mostly spend time bitching about Reddit, Apple, and Microsoft. It’s exhausting.

    GillyGumbo,

    And 90% of posts on lemmy seem to be about reddit…

    Quill7513,

    A cult leader in Jack Dorsey

    Natanael,

    Jack literally deleted his bluesky account and ran off to nostr

    ttmrichter,
    @ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

    A noted cryptobro ran off to join the other cryptobros on Cryptobro Central.

    What. A. Surprise.

    kromem,

    Users.

    Suspicious,

    ☠️

    warmaster,

    Hype & mainstream celebrities?

    g0g0gadget,
    @g0g0gadget@artemis.camp avatar

    I mean, even Neil Gaiman is far more active on Bluesky than he is on Mastodon, even though probably a greater proportion of his fans are on Mastodon, and he was on Mastodon well before Bluesky. So he's getting something from Bluesky that he isn't getting from Mastodon, and that's noteworthy.

    spiderman,

    People just join it thinking it’s Jack Dorsey’s next twitter.

    AccidentallySober,

    An invite-only strategy straight out of the early 2000s

    lowered_lifted,

    If you go on Bluesky they will tell you. Lots of people saying that they feel isolated because there is no algorithm feeding engagement, and federation doesn’t lend itself to finding your friends from Twitter easily without one of those migration tools people were using. Then another chunk describe Mastodon users as a “HOA” because someone told them to put a CW on something.

    derin,
    @derin@lemmy.beru.co avatar

    HOA? CW?

    RedWizard,
    @RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Home Owners Authority, CW was a TV channel.

    Suspicious,

    Home Owners Association (group that implements rules for homeowners in a neighborhood like what colour you can paint your house or what you can plant in the garden), and Content Warning

    derin,
    @derin@lemmy.beru.co avatar

    Cheers

    airportline,
    @airportline@lemmy.ml avatar

    dril

    psychothumbs,

    It creates that “one big chatroom” vibe from old twitter, while Mastodon feels like a bunch of people microblogging next to each other

    BnjmnBanks,
    @BnjmnBanks@lemmy.world avatar

    I do agree with you, but it’s funny because on the description for the app, it says BlueSky is for microblogging.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/62cdfdc2-f4b7-47d1-9783-54ea0f73dd39.jpeg

    psychothumbs,

    Yeah all of these are in theory in this “microblogging” genre of apps.

    Suspicious, (edited )

    I think emulating twitter was a huge mistake for mastadon, the twitter reply structure that makes it difficult to have a long conversation with multiple people to be the main part of the post but ideal for “dunks” and outrage farming. I think the Tumblr reblog structure would have been an infinitly better choice for the more actual socialising thing fediverse is going for and a small user base that isnt producing much content and can re-circulate older posts. also it’s less image-centric allowing more posts to be stored on a server, additionally (intuitively, I haven’t thought about implementation that hard) it seems like a much more natural fit for federation.

    dameoutlaw,
    @dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml avatar

    People are happy to peddle incorrect information which is easy to find. Dorsey is on the board, but deleted his account and used Nostr and Twitter significantly more than he ever did bluesky. Cultural debt: Mastodon has the cultural debt of reply guys, FOSS bros, racism etc During the great migration a lot of minorities attempted the switch and were met with a lot of racism which was easy to hide due to PM. Mastodon also has the onboarding issues. Studies show most users are passive users of social media, they don’t want much friction just to lurk. Bluesky appealed to minorities particularly Black women very early in the process and that contributed to the growth and culture. They’ve lost some of the goodwill due to some moderation issues. But, without the cultural debt and without making decisions such as no full-text search (since changed) and no QTs, two features that benefits minorities and professionals alike turned off many. There’s also no current federation so the onboarding is simple and smooth. The culture on Mastodon based on 4 polls I’ve seen with 10k plus responses, Mastodon leans older than bluesky. Unlike what’s put out there bluesky doesn’t aim to be a Twitter replacement but more so Mastodon+. Lastly, the culture on Mastodon often takes itself too seriously while bluesky is mostly horny, crapposting, awareness raising and lots of laughs

    Mandy,

    As much as people may not like to hear it Ease of use from being one centralized platform is a big factor

    Just login and be done with it

    RedWizard,
    @RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    It’s not going to be a centralized platform though…

    elbarto777,

    But I logged in to Lemmy and was done too.

    Mandy,

    how many instances did you look at, how often where you greeted with “choose an instance” lemmy is not as easy as techys think it is

    elbarto777,

    I looked at three instances.

    Mandy,

    and theres your problem, looking at instances, its not a normal thing you need to do or ever had to do on any other similar website reddit would have never taken off if it where instanced like lemmy for example

    elbarto777,

    Which is great. It fends off the people I don’t want to interact with here.

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