Echo71Niner,
@Echo71Niner@kbin.social avatar

Reddit is deploying millions of bots across the site, most of people on that shit site are interacting with bots.

DarkThoughts,

At least ChatGPT is a more polite than the toxic, racist & sexist shit that remains on Reddit. Scrolled through /r/all this morning and was appalled by some of the toxic comments in the various submissions. I also noticed some sockpuppets somehow spewing the same bullshit opinion about certain topics, using the literal same type of phrasing too, just in different comment chains and with different accounts.

Honestly, probably better for my blood pressure to stay away from most of it.

Patrizsche,

What’s astroturfing?

nosut,
@nosut@lemmy.world avatar

A campaign by a marketing team to give the false impression of something.

In this case it’s a campaign by reddit to make it look like there are lots of users who are in agreement with reddit instead of the truth where it’s universally hated.

Paesan,
@Paesan@kbin.social avatar

It's a play on the term "grass root movement". A grass root movement is one that starts with the people at the bottom, not at the top. So if a bunch of people got together (mostly independent of each other) to promote or protest something, that is a "grass roots" action.

Astroturf is basically fake grass, so "astroturfing" is something that is made to look like a "grass roots" movement but it isn't.

comedy,
@comedy@kbin.social avatar

Hourly reminder that Spez sucks

May,
@May@kbin.social avatar

Hello i hope you dont mind if i post that post, in case someone does not want to go onto reddit:

r/Save3rdPartyApps
u/attackofmilk

Subreddits are starting to see spam from anti-protest, pro-admin ChatGPT bots
Thread on /r/Pics discussing bot spam. (Pics is now NSFW, but this thread is only profanity / vulgarity.)
/r/pics/comments/14puynz/chatgpt_bots_are_spamming_proadmin_astroturf/

/r/Programming closed (by admins?) after community recognition of bot spam:

Ycombinator thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36361247

Top-voted post from /r/Programming before it closed: https://web.archive.org/web/20230611210834/https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/146wn9s/meta_who_is_astroturfing_rprogramming_and_why/

(I would have just crossposted the top thread directly, but this sub forbids crossposting NSFW posts (which is now everything on /r/Pics )

Calcharger,
@Calcharger@kbin.social avatar

Good idea, thank you

fivezero,
@fivezero@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like r/programming discovered the astroturfing, so in true Reddit fashion they simply shut down the subreddit entirely to avoid the spread of negative public sentiment. Thanks for galvanizing my resolve to migrate to the fediverse, Spez

NumbersCanBeFun,
@NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social avatar

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  • fivezero,
    @fivezero@lemmy.world avatar

    Agreed. For years I had truly (and naively) believed that Reddit, despite their prior blunders with which we are now all mostly familiar, would maintain an acceptable level of decency and never push things so far as alienate their core userbase. Shot themselves squarely in the foot on this one I think, as their recent changes affect so many.

    theangryseal,

    What a bummer.

    I’m doing ok without it though. I didn’t load old.reddit once today.

    I probably won’t tomorrow.

    I used to look at Reddit in almost all of my downtime at work. Now I’m trying to write when I see nothing new is coming up on Lemmy.

    Still though. 15 years on Reddit. Goddamn. It definitely bums me out. I mean, it’s just a website, but it has helped shape so much of who I am.

    I’m an atheist in the Bible Belt for example, and atheism being a default sub back in the day really helped me out a lot.

    All things must pass.

    Neato,
    @Neato@kbin.social avatar

    I spend my work downtime the 1 day I have to be in office writing dnd campaign material to save my prep time at home.

    CmdrModder,

    I understand your pain with that last point. Being an atheist teen in a family that highly values religious holidays (and more) is a life experience I hope people don't have to go through.

    Things got better, as I hope things are well for you.

    najoes,

    It does suck. I even met my husband on Reddit! It’s been such a meaningful part of my life.

    eleitl,

    I’m waiting for my data takeout, so checking old.reddit.com messages once a day. No other engagement beyond that. Lemmy communities are getting really good now.

    coyootje,

    It feels more like grabbing 2 shotguns and blasting both feet off at the same time. Unless their goal was to sink Reddit at record speed I have no idea what they’re doing…

    Razputinsgirth,

    But that's just the dig they did make horrible decisions that fucked Reddit up. But the 3rd party apps fixed most of those problems. Whenever I look at new Reddit it's literally so much harder and spammy to use. For year's now

    Hypx,
    @Hypx@kbin.social avatar

    It's truly amazing. Even people who knew that Reddit was destined to fail someday, wouldn't have predict it happening so fast.

    Pons_Aelius,

    Most people expect gradual change when many things in life are more like punctuated equilibrium.

    Stable state despite gradual change in underlying conditions.

    Then rapid change to new stable state.

    Entropywins,
    @Entropywins@kbin.social avatar

    You've now put a fear in me about my life that I wasn't ready for...

    Pons_Aelius,

    Sorry to do that, but I believe the world makes a lot more sense when viewed through the lens of punctuated equilibrium. It does not make things better, just makes the chaos more understandable.

    The dot com bubble.

    The housing bubble.

    Basically every economic bubble all the way back to tulip mania.

    The Arab Spring.

    The changes in the USA post 9/11.

    And most disturbing of all, the recent rapid swing of pretty much all environmental indicators into uncharted territory. Our biosphere may be heading into a phase of rapid change.

    Neato,
    @Neato@kbin.social avatar

    Nobody wants to change. It's hard and expensive. Until they have to because conditions have required it. Then they change as fast as possible to a new state that works in the new conditions so they can survive.

    FaceDeer,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    There's also the Ernest Hemmingway quote from The Sun Also Rises:

    “How did you go bankrupt?"

    “Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

    avenged7fold,

    This article felt a little more relevant, recommended by wiki on the one you linked: Punctuated equilibrium in social theory

    ForTheEmperah,
    @ForTheEmperah@kbin.social avatar

    It's like Rome 😭

    niktemadur,
    @niktemadur@kbin.social avatar

    Like with Twitter, it's a rapid-fire series of knee-jerk reactions, like a hammer, as in - "When you are a hammer, every problem looks like a nail", destined to get caught, to not fix what you were supposedly trying to fix, to generate deeper and more baffling situations in the process, to fail.

    RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
    @RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social avatar

    Shut down, you say? Every subreddit should post such truths, you say? Reddit will atomize itself instantly, you say?

    Okay, maybe not but it's a fun thought, no?

    foggy,

    I noticed this happened before the reddit blackouts. I haven’t been to reddit since. Is this a new occurrence of the same ChatGPT astroturfing or is this that same news?

    BarbecueCowboy,

    r/programming was one of the earliest subreddits, I think it was actually #2. Can't view it anymore, but the moderation team of r/programming would have been pretty reddit admin/staff heavy. Pretty sure spez was listed on the moderation team at one point.

    McBinary,
    @McBinary@kbin.social avatar

    Wow. Just checked. The newest post in that sub is 3 weeks old.

    Pons_Aelius, (edited )

    The perfect site for reddit admins would be endless bots posting, commenting and viewing adds while said advertisers are oblivious to the con.

    The first two have been going on at some level for years. The last? Well, it will be interesting to see the official reddit app's adoption numbers in the coming months.

    NotMyOldRedditName,

    That's also a fantastic way to end up in jail, which I wouldn't be opposed to spez getting familiar with

    man_in_space,
    @man_in_space@kbin.social avatar

    Reddit…it was once my respite, and now it is a desert of empty words. The admins betrayed their creed: “Remember the human”. They sold it for the Dollar Almighty. Their humanity is lost…let them succumb to that which they so infinitely prize—the towers they built out of their money.

    Nepenthe,
    @Nepenthe@kbin.social avatar

    That won't go well either, in the long run. Advertisers will catch on to how many "people" are viewing their ads without ever clicking on anything and put their funds elsewhere.

    AnAnxiousCorgi,
    @AnAnxiousCorgi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Just gotta make it look good for the IPO, then what does Spez care?

    chairman,

    [Serious] I am sorry, but can someone explain like I’m five what this is about?

    Thanks in advance. I pay onise you, I am NOT a Bot. :-)

    AtomicPurple,
    @AtomicPurple@kbin.social avatar

    Someone (presumably at Reddit, but there's no hard proof of that), has recently begun using a large number of dummy accounts and what appears to be ChatGPT to post pro-admin, anti-protest comments across the site, and give them a lot of upvotes. Someone figured this out and posed evidence of it to /r/programming. Shortly after that thread reached the top of /r/programming, the subreddit was abruptly closed by the site admins, which is extremely suspect to say the least.

    nodel,

    If I were gonna troll Reddit… This is the way. This is an attack on their integrity.

    Klear,

    You’d be a fool for attacking an imaginary target, then.

    imaqtpie,
    @imaqtpie@kbin.social avatar

    PSA regarding federation (copied from previous comment)

    I also want to continue spreading the word about federation issues. I've been on Lemmy for a month now and it's going great. But that whole time, it's essentially been impossible to comment on kbin magazines. The comments simply don't show up. I'm not seeing most of your comments when browsing here from Lemmy, but I am seeing Lemmy comments.

    I obviously have this account, but its annoying to keep switching between accounts, plus I haven't really gotten the hang of the kbin interface yet.

    Point being, I suspect much of the sluggishness of organic growth is not due to a small userbase, but rather due to the fact nobody can actually find the threads and comment on them efficiently. We need to remain steadfast and trust that the developers will fix this stuff up soon. I really feel that simply making Lemmy and kbin federate perfectly would immediately make this platform 10 times more active. We have plenty of people but right now we are fragmented into parallel communities. This isn't even getting into the server overload at a number of Lemmy instances.

    I just don't want people to write off the platform before we can see how it's actually meant to work. I've seen a ton of brilliant comments on kbin and I haven't even had the chance to really mix it up with you guys yet.

    Here was the Lemmy post about this story that somebody actually posted here a couple days before this thread. But it doesn't show up here and none of you can see it.

    https://sh.itjust.works/post/706681

    I really don't want people to get discouraged by this bug because it's very disconcerting when you make a high value comment or post and the response is crickets. Its not because the platform is empty, it's because federation is fucked and your post is invisible to everyone not on your local server.

    abff08f4813c,

    Jeez man ... +1 to this person! https://teddit.adminforge.de/r/pics/comments/14puynz/chatgpt_bots_are_spamming_proadmin_astroturf/jql4cka/#c

    (After r/programming went private, they sent the u/ModCodeOfConduct modmail to the mods of r/programming - which is modded by reddit admins.)

    abff08f4813c, (edited )

    I guess that message worked as the sub reopened. /s

    gentleman,

    @fivezero Holy shit that is one top heavy company. No wonder they haven't made a profit. I'm done with f u/spez but it will be entertaining to watch him continue to devalue the company. Fidelity downgraded the value and who knows what the Chinese investor Tencen thinks. It will be delicious to watch spez screw up his IPO. Desperation has gripped spez and its getting worse.

    BraBraBra,

    The downgrade isn’t due to protests, it’s been happening for some time.

    gentleman,

    @BraBraBra I’ve heard people say that. I’m aware that there have been previous reductions in value. My experience is that investors have the best access to a company’s information, often in real time in a situation like this, so I think the investors are baking in any user loss and loss of revenue even if they are not publicly admitting it.

    @fivezero

    Cevilia,
    @Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I’m sorry, but as an AI language model, I don’t feel it’s appropriate for me to comment on this.

    /joke

    abff08f4813c,
    bioemerl,

    Jesus Christ, do we have a good reason to believe that this was the admins and not some other random third-party group just deciding to do this for shits and giggles?

    Because on one hand yeah I could totally see red it doing this after all of their other stupid mistakes so far.

    On the other hand this seems really strange to me and it just seems so insane to think that Reddit would even think of doing this.

    HeinousTugboat,

    On the other hand this seems really strange to me and it just seems so insane to think that Reddit would even think of doing this.

    Have you read about any of Spez's interviews? This feels entirely like something they would do. Don't forget, reddit was originally populated with bots.

    theangryseal,

    I haven’t heard about that (being originally populated by bots) but I would love to read something about it if you know of anything.

    fivezero,
    @fivezero@lemmy.world avatar

    “Huffman […] together with Ohanian launched Reddit in June 2005. Embarrassed by an empty-looking site, the founders created hundreds of fake users for their posts to make it look more populated” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#History

    dreadedsemi,

    It’s also insane to stealthy edit user comments but he did and “apologized” for it

    crossmr,

    This is the main issue here. This whole narrative sprung from one comment in one thread that was made without any real evidence other than 'this account is obviously a bot'. Did the admin do it? Maybe. Did someone else do it? Maybe. On one hand, we know that everyone on the internet is a good honest person and if anyone is trolling it could only be the self-serving admin and absolutely no one else would ever try to troll people on reddit, on the other hand the site is run by and full of a bunch of absolutely assholes. So really it could go either way.

    I've always had problems with mob justice, bandwagons, etc. though, and don't go in for witchhunts and claims made without any real evidence to back them up.

    Jon-H558,

    It shows how bots were there all the time posting adverts and paid posts anyway. One of the reasons to limit API is other companies were using them to advertise (hidden as a comment or post) without paying the piper.

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