Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Not the IE, the telex

jetsetdorito,

How you interpret this comment is like an age test.

AnarchoCummunist,

Signal is my jam.

blueskiesoc,
Nintendo,

seriously, who made that jackass a meme?

ThatMooooCow,
@ThatMooooCow@lemmy.ml avatar

in our country we use viber and I don’t know which one is worse

Wombat,

That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time… what country?

ThatMooooCow,
@ThatMooooCow@lemmy.ml avatar

Serbia

BaLarp,

My family in the U.S uses Viber. We switched when hangouts was originally going to be axed. Tried to get everyone on Signal but was told it wasn’t as friendly for the elderly family.

SouthEndSunset,

But its a privately owned product and capitalism breeds innovation?

smileyhead,

Chrome is the Internet Explorer of the browsers.

gloves420,

Nah definitely safari

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Right, WebKit is the alpha versión of Blink and KDEs KHTML the ancestor

madkarlsson,

Such a weird statement. webkit is and has been a fully released browser engine for decades, companies forked from it for licensing and profit, not because it wasnt ready or complete (at the time)

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Same as any browser engine, there isn’t a new engine since 20 years. Apart of Gecko, Blink and WebKit there are nothing else, apart of some experimental ones, mostly discontinued. WebKit is a fork from KHTML (KDE) and Blink is an improved fork from WebKit.

madkarlsson,

Safari 110%

Kit,

I’ve been out of touch since IRC and ICQ were the preferred way to communicate over the internet. What are folks using nowadays?

1847953620,

Telegrams

cyborganism,

My family is all on Facebook and now exclusively communicate through Messenger.

My friends use WhatsApp.

I want to convince people to use Signal but it’s not catching on.

Meanwhile some co-workers are on Telegram. I tried it and immediately got spam.

Phegan,

Steven Crowder is a garbage human and doesn’t deserve a meme template

cyborganism,

Wow… I didn’t know who the guy was.

From Wikipedia:

Early in his career, Crowder worked for Fox News and posted satirical videos on conservative media platforms. He then began hosting Louder with Crowder, a daily political podcast and YouTube channel with commentary and comedic content. It includes a recurring segment called “Change My Mind”, in which Crowder invites passers-by to converse. In December 2012, Crowder and members of Americans for Prosperity were involved in an altercation at a demonstration in Michigan concerning the state’s recently passed right-to-work law.[3]

Crowder’s YouTube channel has been demonetized twice, first in 2019 after repeated use of racist and homophobic slurs.[4][5][6][7] His channel was re-monetized after YouTube said Crowder addressed his behavior and content,[8] and it was demonetized again in March 2021, with uploads suspended for a week, after violating YouTube’s presidential election integrity policy against advancing false claims about the election’s integrity.[9] YouTube suspended the channel again for two weeks in October 2022 for violating its harassment, threats and cyberbullying policy.[10] The channel had 5.86 million subscribers as of May 2023.[11] Crowder moved his show to Rumble in March 2023.[12]

You’re absolutely right. He doesn’t deserve a meme template.

Tartas1995,

To be fair, Wikipedia doesn’t give him justice. He is far worse. Either he is an utter foul or he is a full blown Nazi. I am not saying “oh i disagree with him, so Nazi” I am saying “he supports white supremacists, ‘race realists’, ethno nationalists, by giving them a uncritical platform and by giving people a uncritical platform who give those people a uncritical platform”

If you want see how Steven Crowder does his politics and a good case towards why I think that way, youtu.be/cXZ6BZzQeCQSteven Crowder wanted to know what a white supremacists is and claimed to feel like people are calling him one unfairly and a guy decided to walk everyone to the thought process of how and why people think what they think.

SeaJ,

Steven Crowder is the wife abuser of the meme world.

to55,

WhatsApp seems very conservative with adding new features. I generally feel the features they do decide to add are all pretty useful. Telegram on the other hand doesn’t ever seem to slow down with the new features. Many of them seem great, but just as many I would never use. I’m still wondering why Telegram won’t introduce end-to-end encryption as a default.

alvanrahimli,

e2e encryption makes it difficult to provide fully cross-platform messaging experience, this is probably why they are not looking at it

Pyroglyph,
@Pyroglyph@lemmy.world avatar

e2e encryption makes it difficult to provide fully cross-platform messaging experience

Why?
I can easily encrypt a message on my x86_64 Windows desktop, send it to my x86_64 Linux laptop, and also my ARM64 Android phone, and be able to decrypt it perfectly.

If I can do it then a development team can too.

obinice,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Why would it be difficult? Encryption isn’t difficult (any more than adding any essential feature would be) and is platform independent. It doesn’t matter what device you’re using, encryption and decryption are commonly used.

McCainRBGcreampie, (edited )
@McCainRBGcreampie@hexbear.net avatar

They aren’t implementing e2e by default because that would limit the amount of data they collect and sell to intelligence agencies.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

You can easily implement AES 256 in JavaScript. So you can tap the web framework on any device and run your app on just about any platform.

The problem is, They no longer get signal intelligence from it and can no longer monetize it.

JGrffn,

The whole sticker implementation is absolute dog shit. How hard could it be to do a half decent implementation with customizable keywords for searching, custom sticker categorization, and backups? I have hundreds, if not over a thousand, stickers and it’s impossible to access them quickly to find the one you want. You end up just adapting to whatever is on your most used list, and you’re stuck scrolling for a while to find a different sticker, which In an active chat group it means you end up reacting super late to everything and the chat has moved on at that point.

MSN and the MSN+ plugin had this nailed down 20 years ago. Even telegram has a better implementation where you just add the entire sticker library for each new sticker; you end up with stickers you didn’t ask for, which is a negative, but everything ends up categorized in SOME way at least.

Its also ridiculous that whatsapp can’t be bothered to offer sticker creation in-app.

Dont get me started on chat participants count limitations and how utterly USELESS archiving a chat is. You can mute the chat and archive it, and a single message will just pop it back to the top of your list, as if you weren’t trying to actively avoid that. And whatsapp has been pretty useless for big chat groups such as big neighborhoods and the like. My HOA hasn’t added me or my friends to the neighborhood chat groups historically due to size limitations, which in itself perpetuated a toxic approach from the HOA where only sycophants are allowed into these groups. Most neighbors are left in the dark over decisions and meetings, which is utter stupidity and has 100% been aggravated by whatsapp’s limitations. Doesn’t matter that they’ve implemented alternatives to this, you try to get hundreds of boomers to understand how to use community chats.

to55,

You must live in a huge neighbourhood. Your points are valid, though you can now choose to keep chats archived even when receiving a message. Settings > Chats > Keep chats archived.

silvercove,

WhatsApp is usually 2 years behind Telegram for all cool and interesting features.

Shareni,

On the other hand telegram makes it a chore to have encrypt messages, doesn’t allow encrypted group chat, and breaks normal functionality when encrypted (reactions, GIFs, etc.)

WaterChi,

Whatsapp is still supported

smileyhead,

Maybe he/she means holding innovation back.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’d say Viber is worse (unbearably slow, has ads), and it’s the most used messaging app in Ukraine which just sucks. (basically everyone has it)
people are slowly switching over to Telegram but it still has less then 50% market share…

Prethoryn, (edited )
@Prethoryn@lemmy.world avatar

Isn’t Telegram Russian owned as well?

Lol, god Lemmy is so different than Reddit.

Asks a question, gets down voted. only two comments from users who bothered to educate. Lemmy really just a community full of knowledge gate keepers that think they are better than Reddit users. Reddit users would have at least provided and article or some knowledge.

After doing some digging Wikki does say that it owned by two Russian brothers. One who sold a social media platform of his after a Russian infiltration and Russian government pressure for him to do so.

I think I will just keep using Signal.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)#%3A~%3A…

I think I am about done with Lemmy. I have seen post after post of smug users with shitty ways of thinking like that killing more people is going to solve the world’s problems. Or that one platform is the only way to be. Or that they more about privacy and security than anyone else.

Lemmy users are just as shitty as the rest of the Internet in their own ways.

justastranger,

No, they actually got banned in Russia for a while

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

it’s created by durov tho right?

progettarsi,

signal and telegram are so much better, don’t know why we can’t get over that shit app

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

telegram is awesome but please don’t use it if you’re looking for total privacy, as (by default) chats are not e2e-encrypted (this is done to improve sync/seamless multi-device chat history).
also they introduced a discord nitro-like subscription like a year ago and started putting all new features behind it…

progettarsi,

wasn’t telegram the top privacy app after signal like? other than matrix but I don’t consider it

EtzBetz,

Tbh, Signal is really lacking features at this point. That’s making it incredibly hard to convince others on using it.

lambda,
@lambda@programming.dev avatar

What features?

haych,
@haych@lemmy.one avatar

No Android Tablet version. On iOS you can use your iPad, but can’t use a tablet alongside your phone.

lambda,
@lambda@programming.dev avatar

Huh, I haven’t tried that. I use Signal on an Android phone, ipad, Windows computer, and Linux computer. I just recently started using Beeper though. I like that it uses Matrix for its back end between other Beeper users. But, I can use it to talk to people on Signal, iMessage, SMS, etc.

EtzBetz,

Well, tbh, WhatsApp also hasn’t had a Tablet version for the longest time. They are just now getting started with an Android Companion version.

haych,
@haych@lemmy.one avatar

No, but I don’t use WhatsApp either. Telegram across multi devices works so well, I use that.

EtzBetz,

But that’s a mess in terms of security. I love the telegram client and features as well, but that’s a strike for me.

EtzBetz,

Multiple Chats in one Group (“Communities”), Polls, Group Calls are the ones that come to mind now. I think I had more on my list… 🤔

lambda,
@lambda@programming.dev avatar

I don’t know if I understand the first one. But, good point on the other ones. Group calls would be really nice…

EtzBetz,

In WhatsApp, you can create “Communities” these days. In a community you can create multiple Chats/Groups with their own topic. So when you have a big community and different topics to talk about, you can create a chat for each topic so that you don’t have one spammy chat. That way all chats belonging to that community also are visible to all people which are in at least one of the communities’ chats.

lambda,
@lambda@programming.dev avatar

Seems a lot like a Discord Guild. Very nice concept!

EtzBetz,

Well, it’s basically multiple Chats in one Group, so yes, but without all the permission stuff and so on.

silvercove,

Signal’s desktop app is just horrible. Whatsapp doesn’t even have a proper one.

kalipike,
@kalipike@lemmy.one avatar

I’m curious what do you find horrible about it? I use it all the time and have zero issues with it.

silvercove,

Chat history is almost never properly transferred when you install it. It also randomly loses chat history for no reason.

Also the interface is nowhere as good as telegram.

kalipike,
@kalipike@lemmy.one avatar

I was unaware that it was supposed to transfer chat history. It’s never once done it for me. I assumed it was like other platforms I’ve used where it doesn’t sync your history unless you backup and restore.

EtzBetz,

Well you’re somewhat correct about Chat history, but just that just comes with better security measures… Otherwise the only thing I dislike, that you can’t drag and drop files onto the contact list on the left, but only to the selected chat.

Shareni,

It’s also really buggy, and it’s got worse performance than even element. Like the calls don’t even make it through most of the time, and instead the other person just gets a missed call notification after you stop dialing them.

Maddison,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/58defaba-8d13-4ebd-947b-8ff254c410ef.webpCollective Action Problem is not a joke jim, Billions of people suffer every year

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