sepazig,

If you’re trying to argue weed isn’t at least a wee bit addictive, you’ve clearly never smoked it any actual length of time. I love weed, but let’s no kid ourselves lads.

Batpool23,

It’s not chemically addictive. Honestly people should really pointing fingers at smokers. Majority who smoke know the risks. Sugar is far more dangerous yet and they add it to everything. Weed on the other hand can help the majority with far less side effects then prescription pills. I’d take an edible or spray any day. Although it is far more fun to use a bong.

Good meme but honestly when do you see an angry smoker? Even if he breaks his piece, worst that happens is a bummed high.

areyouevenreal,

It is physically addictive. Research has shown this already I am fairly sure. It’s not nearly as addictive as some other things like alcohol obviously. Psychological addiction also shouldn’t be dismissed.

Sugar is dangerous? Maybe refined sugars are - especially if you’re diabetic - but most sugars are actually natural and some form complex carbohydrates and fibres. It’s a lot more complex than this hot take. Sometimes even diabetic people need sugar in an emergency condition called hypoglycemia. It’s also not in any way a drug; really wish people stopped saying this. Also genetic material is partially made from sugars like ribose and deoxyribose.

There are real life consequences to smoking too much weed and this can include damage to your lungs and can negatively impact the brain. Brain problems is mostly an issue for people under 25 though so smoking after this age is less problematic. That being said it’s still much better than some other drugs like you say. Before people ask yes this includes alcohol as alcohol is quite toxic to brain and body when consumed habitually.

Weed can’t replace all prescriptions either. It’s just not as good at blocking pain as opiates even if it’s a lot safer. That being said if it helps you then that’s great - especially if it’s in edible form or spray form as this is healthier than smoking.

Batpool23,

Not sure I’d agree with any study saying it is physically addictive, habitually I’d agree.

My point on the sugar though is it certainly does create addiction. It’s in so many things even products like jerky. I know lots of other things get broken down into sugar which is also the point. We would do far better without all the added sugar. It’s what creates future diabetics in the first place. There is so much fake healthy foods it’s ridiculous. Like…Wheat bread!? All sugar, better off with white if your gonna bother with bread. You’re body should be running off fat not sugar. People on keto for example can lower their cholesterol immensely vs the doctor recommend way. I’m just having trouble concerning the different between chemical ladden cigarettes vs shit that is available in stores. Now the one thing that I see a negative for weed is that it is a stimulant. Increases in heart rates could be an issue in older folks, for a potentially greater risk of heart attacks.

areyouevenreal,

Not sure I’d agree with any study saying it is physically addictive, habitually I’d agree. So you’re willing to ignore science… that’s sounds like a river in Egypt to me mate.

Habit forming and addictive mean the same thing in medical terms. Cannabis has observed withdrawal symptoms like sleeplessness, appetite changes, and nausea that classify it as physically addictive. You’re ignoring these because it dosen’t suit your narrative and beliefs.

My point on the sugar though is it certainly does create addiction. I agree with this provided your talking about refined sugars. The point is though it’s not a drug. Sugars are a natural part of the human diet. They literally make up your DNA. Refined sugars are not natural though.

pwnstar,

Nobody HAS to. They want to, so why not.

Why do you look at your cell phone every day, are you addicted?

pigup,

Yes

pwnstar,

Ok, bad example!

You eat every day, are you addicted?!

HiImYourDadsSon,

Yes, i will literally die if I stop

Stabbywithsocks1,

You breathe every day, are you addicted?!

Retirix_YT,

Bad example. You have to breathe to exist lol

Pacifist,

The only point of saying weed is not addictive is to say you can quit with no negative repurcussions.

Now, if you become dependant on it for one reason or another, that’s addiction.

Lemminary,

Ok but like I literally smoked every day for months on end and quit without negative consequences xd

10OMHz,

I mean, everybody has a vice, for me it’s my phone and social media, I habitually check it every 5 or so minutes, it is an addiction but at least it isn’t physically damaging like cigarettes

Joe_0237,

Not getting enough exercise because you are checking every 5 minutes is physically damaging. Not saying its you but, its some people. I dont get enough because im addicted to getting things done. Which i feel is a good addiction as far as they go. But that problem does need solving.

Edvin73,
@Edvin73@lemmy.ml avatar

Every single person on this planet is addicted to one thing or the other. Basically we are genetically junkies. We strive for pleasure. Simple as that. I found pleasure in weed many years ago and I don’t have any moral or other intention to quit. I just don’t give a …

Retirix_YT,

Thinking about what I’m addicted to 🤔🤔

Social media to a point, I guess

Polydextrous,

“WHAAT!”

(Or, DMX: barks)

STUPIDVIPGUY,

As someone who smokes weed way too often… I do it because I’m addicted to it and anyone who says it’s ‘habitual not addictive’ or they’re just ‘medicating’ is in denial

Abualiexpress,

Anyone who says it isn’t addictive is lying to themselves and potentially harming others who may end up getting addicted themselves.

LordPassionFruit,

As someone else who smokes way too much… I do it because I’m addicted to it. Most people don’t realize that habitual addictions are addictions, and just because weed doesn’t have physical withdrawal symptoms, doesn’t meant you can’t be addicted.

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.ml avatar

The fun thing is, it does have physical withdrawal symptoms when you stop.

They’re just not nearly as bad some other substances.

I’d rank them worse than coffee’s withdrawal symptoms.

STUPIDVIPGUY,

well I have been trying to quit and haven’t had a puff for like 3 days and I’ve been feeling like shit, whole body sore and persistent headache. I’m not sure if it’s withdrawal though or if I just caught a virus

Lemminary,

I smoked way too often and didn’t find it addictive, though. I smoked because I had it. I only quit because my lungs hurt lol

Pixlbabble,

Because habitual doesn’t mean addictive, I also have a problem with peanut butter cups.

erogenouswarzone,
@erogenouswarzone@lemmy.ml avatar

Personally I thought weed was very addictive, but not in the traditional sense.

Take coffee for instance. When I stopped drinking coffee I had headaches, was a dick for a few days, but that’s it. Which is pretty easy compared to, say, heroin (so I hear).

With weed, I didn’t have any of that, but I craved the relaxation it brought. The feeling of not giving a fuck about anything for a few hours was great, and I longed for it. I still long for it sometimes. And I think that’s the dangerous thing about weed being labeled as “non-addictive.”

Just because you don’t have a physical reaction to abstaining, doesn’t mean the emotional reliance is nothing.

Mac,

You can get psychologically “addicted” to anything.

Im not sure “addicted” is the right word.

erogenouswarzone,
@erogenouswarzone@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, perhaps you’re right.

RomeCallen,

ya as someone who smokes a lot of weed. its not addictive as in like, i get the shakes if i dont smoke but its def more than peanut butter cups

its def addicting, just not physically so. i feel real uncomfortable if my smoke habit gets disrupted.

Pixlbabble,

That’s pretty much a habit, I also get uncomfortable when I have to go out when I always have that day free. Peanut butter cups might not be a good example because the sugar is really bad for humans.

victron,
@victron@lemmy.world avatar

I thought this shit was left at reddit

DrCatface,
@DrCatface@lemmy.ml avatar

You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs. The Beatles were so fucking high they let Ringo sing a few tunes. -Bill Hicks

debil,

A Bill Hicks quote is always appreciated.

RoyBeer,

I’m a medical user and I’m absolutely admitting to my dependance on it. Because otherwise I’d be in pain and not in complete control of my body and mind. I never get red eyes, tho

BurnedDonutHole,

Hey!!! Listen here you… I’ve been smoking weed since 1998 and I can stop anytime I want!

OceanSoap,

My brother is definitely addicted. He smokes to calm himself down, but is just as angry, if not more, after. He’s been smoking so much for so long that he can’t even imagine what it’s like without it.

spicysoup,
@spicysoup@lemmy.world avatar

maybe he’s angry for other reasons and the weed is a coping mchanism, like all addictions that people have in a toxic system

OceanSoap,

I mean, yes, weed isn’t the cause of his anger issues, but weed no longer helps him the way he thinks it does, or the way it might have helped him in the past.

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Once you start consuming too much, it increases your anxiety and paranoia. You get panic attacks and shit. It’s fine for taking the edge off but you can’t control major psychological issues with it.

OceanSoap,

Yup. Wish he wasn’t so hooked onto the “weed can do no harm, it’s impossible” mantra. I’ve tried to explain it like water: it’s very healthy for us, but you can still drink too much and have dangerous health issues.

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

It is very hard to think clearly about addiction. Even if you can do it deep in your mind, it’s still hard to act on it or express those thoughts outwardly.

RomeCallen,

i dunno about all that. its different for everyone, just like any substance really. ive been smoking weed since i was like 13 and i have never had a panic attack and i dont think its the source of anxiety for me. im almost 40 now. i am def addicted tho, theres no argument there. but i describe it as like a bad habit. like watching too much TV or being too into WoW. its a mental issue

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Not everyone has panic attacks, full stop.

When was the last time you went 48 hours without toking? Do you even know what baseline is anymore? Would you even know if you are living with elevated anxiety? Most people don’t until it simply can’t be ignored anymore.

It also matters how much you are toking. I can toke every day and if I keep it under about half a gram it never seems to catch up with me. But if I go two weeks toking two grams a day, I’m a wreck.

Anyway, we shouldn’t put too much faith in our personal experiences when there are decades of data saying that it contributes to anxiety and (eventually) panic attacks.

RomeCallen,

lol ive never seen this data about panic attacks and anxiety. i go to the DR and therapist so im pretty sure im not living with elevated anxiety. and 48 hours is pretty easy to withhold. say if i go out of the country i dont smuggle weed in.

i think youre 100% on anecdotes. but i dont think we’ve had a lot of studies come out conclusively that say marijuana contributes to mental issues eventually

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I don’t have to.

I want to.

MinusPi,

If you can’t ignore the want, that’s an addiction

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Well when I don’t have any and can’t get any, I think “if I had a joint that would be nice.” The same way one might want a pizza they can’t afford. But it doesn’t occupy my mind all day, like if I’m out of cigarettes.

erasebegin,

Yeah, this is what I told myself for 10 years. But the fact is there were numerous situations where I would think “this would be so much better with weed”.

If I can’t enjoy life’s basic experiences without drugs, there is a problem.

Also pizza doesn’t cause mood swings, memory loss, lethargy, paranoia etc.

YoungPrinceAmmon,

Acknowledging the fact that everything is better with weed doesn’t mean you’re addicted.

STUPIDVIPGUY,

Everything you say is true, but weed is still psychologically addictive. Maybe the reason it doesn’t occupy your mind so much is because you have another drug to fall back on.

victron,
@victron@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, like water or food.

Feweroptions,

I virtually never want food or water. My body screams “eat now or you’re going into a coma, idiot!”

RomeCallen,

oh bro then we different. some times a cool crispy glass of water is just so dang desirable. same with a fresh batch of fries man

Feweroptions,

I wonder if there’s a hydrohomies community

Speculater,

They’re should be.

treefrog,

There’s withdrawal but of the four drugs i have been physically addicted to (caffeine, weed, nicotine, and SSRIs) it’s the only one I can cold turkey in under a week and feel fine.

Burstar,
@Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Caffeine isn’t addictive. Your body acclimates to long term usage, and you will experience some withdrawal symptoms but this is classified as a dependency and not an addiction as it does not trigger the reward mechanisms like weed and or methamphetamine does. It’s an important distinction and is why coffee and tea are often served at [Addiction] Anonymous meetings.

treefrog, (edited )

It’s both. Nicotine is also both. Note how people at AA still often smoke. And how much coffee they’ll pound even after dinner.

The only drug I misclassified is SSRIs. Which don’t trigger the dopamine reward system.

And my comment was in light of OP and common language usage. People say heroin addiction and they mean heroin dependency. It doesn’t help anyone to be pedantic about these two words. And I say that as someone who has taken college level classes on pharmacology and alcohol and drug dependence and is very aware of the technical differences used professionally.

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