I remember when Proton launched it was like magic playing games like Doom and Nier Automata straight from the Linux Steam client with excellent performance. I do not miss the days of having the Windows version of Steam installed separately.
I think this may well be the thing that, at long last, eventually leads to the end of the Windows hegemony on PC. Linux compatibility being a prerequisite for running on the default configuration of the Steam Deck. Gaming is the Microsoft OS’s last real stronghold.
Nah. Windows biggest customer is the corporate world. Windows is everywhere. Gaming isn’t much of a factor, especially when the majority of gamers are console players.
I… sort of agree? But also, kids game. Which means (part of) a generation could grow up using Linux systems to game, which makes Linux more palatable to businesses looking to hire those kids. I’m not sure how big a factor that might turn out to be.
Mine are learning more Linux than Windows. They really only use Windows for Office, and only then when Office Online absolutely won’t cut it.
Their laptops dual-boot, but flipping over to Windows is happening so rarely these days (school changed some things around) that I may just have them on Linux going forward.
Bonus round, it’s much easier on them for computer science classes.
First, those boomers do not want to learn Linux. It is a fact.
Actually they usually don’t give a flying F about the OS, they care about the apps they used to get their jobs done. They care about Outlook, Word, Excel, etc.
Also, as someone who just finished 35 years in corporate America, I’ve done retraining of older employees at many multiple companies plenty of times, so your Ageist assumption is not correct.
And finally, again, I was just commenting about hardware sales and how gaming drives that, and how an OS rides piggyback on top of the hardware sales.
Yes, but the discussion wasn’t about how Microsoft makes its money, it was about how important gaming was to promoting one OS over another, via hardware sales…
Gaming isn’t much of a factor, especially when the majority of gamers are console players.
And I would argue gaming is a big part of that, which is what my original reply was about.
For entirely different use cases. The corporate world loves Linux for servers, but exceedingly few will use it for workstations, and generally only for developers even then
And even then the majority of developers aren’t on Linux cause the AM and ManagedInstalls doesn’t work as well as Mac or Windows.
The F500 I work for is almost entirely mac, with the few stragglers on windows for specific applications. Linux just doesn’t support the same kind of enterprise tools that the other 2 main OS’s do.
I’m still waiting for games to release on Linux with good compatibility, I hope that’s the case since the steam deck has been out for a bit. Unfortunately every Linux native game I’ve tried so far has had some issues that were resolved switching to wine
I switched to Linux on my gaming PC about five or six years ago and tried a couple of different distros. Manjaro was the first one that worked really well for me, and I played through the original RAGE and Mass Effect using that setup, but for the last couple of years I’ve used POP!_OS, after Manjaro broke a couple of times. I’m never going back to Windows, mostly thanks to Proton. Even Elder Scrolls Online works really well using Proton.
Wine developers. Yes, Valve/Proton has given it a big boost in the last few years but the Wine project has been under steady development for 30 years, almost as long as Linux itself. I remember trying it for the first time back in the day and being amazed that it could run Minesweeper.
I’ve used Ubuntu on many occasions but tried PopOS since last week.
It’s surprisingly good. Lots of ergonomics over Ubuntu. They have a version of the iso prepackaged with Nividia drivers.
Most surprisingly, after some install busted my sound devices (they stopped showing up), I discovered PopOS has a system refresh button that saves your home directory but reinstalls the OS to a fresh state. Very convenient.
Honestly, I’m considering risking the jump to something like Pop OS. If my games ran well on Linux, I probably would have no reason to stay on windows outside of for my work computers.
I daily Pop OS, it’s overall pretty good. Drivers are super easy to deal with, and the Pop Shop has a lot of game-related apps ready to install. Biggest headache is that sometimes my Mic just won’t work and I have to reboot. That, and steam does Vulkan Shader Compilation on every game launch it seems, which can be a pain
But as a person who uses both windows and linux, Windows is a super stable os if you do some powershell tweaks (for bloat, ads, updates) and you can also bring the best things from the linux world like package managers, stability etc.
Windows can run all games and i dont have to worry if a game is going to have proton problems.
…yeah, Windows prefers delivering 1st party backdoors and viruses.
Jokes aside, what are you referring to with that, where are you pulling your packages from not be vetted?
Thanks, that’s actually valid!
I think one of the commenters there said it best:
It’s almost like the maintainers who curate a distribution repository have an important role preventing such a thing…
Repositories where anyone can release packages to the end-users may be convenient for developers who want more control over what the user gets, but it has a host of negative consequences for the user. It always ends in malware and anti-features getting distributed eventually.
I would have know this when i said this on Lemmy + linux community. I would actually consider my phone running android/ios to be a greater threat to my privacy than my gaming pc
With a powershell tweaks you never have to worry about those broken updates.
I run grapheneOS for that reason, though that’s besides the point. One thing being bad doesn’t make another less bad. And you’d still have to worry about janky updates, you’re just minimizing the risk, and mitigating the risk of bad updates by putting in a delay and only doing critical and security updates comes with a compromise to increasing vulnerability.
That’s a weird one. I’ve been running a 165hz primary monitor and a 144hz secondary for a while on AMD, Nvidia, and Intel GPUs. I’ve never had any trouble with them.
Honestly don’t remember which I was running. Was a new install of testing Endevour OS with an Nvidia card. Changed the refresh rate through the display settings to 144 and it went black and never came back. Fixed it back to 60 through cli boot eventually but it never liked changing it off that.
Borking an entire install by pressing buttons on a monotor is pretty difficult. What exactly were you doing? Did you ask your OS’ community for support?
If only Linux wouldn’t Bork my whole install when I try to switch to 144hz on my monitor.
If he says his install is borked I believe him. If he says it's "just" because he tried to switch to 144hz on his monitor, eh...
Edit: Also sounds like nvidia binary blob driver. Odd to me that he didn't get the "do you want to keep these settings" prompt, and that it didn't revert when he didn't click yes though.
Setting any of my monitors to 4k or 144hz just resulted in a completely black screen that persisted through reboots. Only solution I found was to plug into a completely separate, lower resolution monitor.
No clue what caused it, but it’s not isolated to just op
All I did was on first install go to display settings and change to 144hz in the OS and screen then goes black and never came back. Force a shutdown and boots back to a black screen after login.
I was eventually able to change things back to 60hz and working through booting to cli but 144 never wanted to work (am admittedly using Nvidia card).
Ah yeah nvidia can be painful, especially if you want wayland. But this seems to be a simple modesetting issue, I’m sure there are some known workarounds. You can also report driver bugs directly to nvidia, but I don’t know if that will do much.
I have to stick to windows only because of VR, once performance and UX improves I will nuke windows out of my PC but I still absolutely love linux, been hopping around distros like a madman almost 2 years ago until I settled on arch, couldn’t leave the damn thing.
Hi, I used a Linux PC 10 years ago and have been waffling on getting a Linux build now that Windows is essentially started coming with pre-packaged adware and Spyware. What’s Proton?
This is my biggest gripe with developers. More often than not the native version either has worse performance or poor compatibility whereas the windows versions just seem to work. It seems like they aren’t putting effort into making their games compatible with newer compositors or something because proton “just works”.
For some reason DXVK makes the lava disappear in this game, at least at the final boss. If you’re a new player who knows nothing about this boss you’ll die not knowing why
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