frippa,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

Should’ve installed gentoo.

Agent641,

Will i understand the plot of gentoo if I havent installed genone?

frippa,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, but you’ll need to compile it from source

Hawk,

Compile gentree already GabeN!

Bo7a,

STAGE ZERO!

msage,

I did that. Unironically, I just said fuck it, I’ll give it a shot.

And… it just works. Like updates kinda fuck up a bit after not using it for a bit (I didn’t have time to use my desktop lately), but everything works great.

I’m sure I could get mostly the same experience with Arch, but it’s just fun to flag off entire parts of software from even compiling. Also OpenRC is great.

I can stream Steam games, which works much better on Gentoo than Ubuntu with the same hardware.

Gentoo is not a meme, the compiles on modern CPUs are fast, software is wonderfully packaged, and I will not use anything else on my desktop ever.

frippa,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

I know, my dad used gentoo in his glory days on pentium machines probably spending days compiling Firefox. Gentoo is way less of a meme now than what it was then. It’s actually a good distro if you want control.

dingleberry,

Don’t know about email, but windows 8 would create dynamic tiles out of pictures on your computer and pin them in the start menu.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

It was a vital teaching lesson. It taught me not to put porn in My Documents. I think the times were generated by files there.

Because the next version of Windows started strongly recommending all My Documents files get moved to One Drive.

nottheengineer, (edited )

Ah yes, the good old onedrive documents takeover. I had some VMs in my documents folder on my work laptop, then onedrive installed itself and took over my documents folder. It tried to “sync” my files and ran into an error because I use those VMs and it isn’t smart enough to retry after the file has been closed.

So I moved the file in question, rebooted because that’s the only thing that reliably works in windows and onedrive seemed to run again. I gave it a whole day with gigabit LAN for 60GB of files and it didn’t manage to do it, so I tried to move all the VM stuff away.

But guess fucking what? Those files aren’t on my PC anymore, they’re just links to the cloud now and when I try to copy them to somewhere else, it reliably errors out after about 2 minutes of doing nothing. The tray icon says it’s doing something, but it doesn’t list any files it’s working on and task Manager shows it isn’t working on any files.

Needless to say that the VM that’s been “synced” to the cloud doesn’t boot now.

I hate Microsoft with a passion.

Update: Onedrive says it filled the entire available space (a whole TB), but the VMs were just 200GB. So I clicked the “free storage” link it showed, which lead to a sharepoint website where I found out that onedrive keeps a version history (which isn’t indicated in any way in the desktop application) and counts size without deduplication, so I caused my company about 50€/month of cost without knowing.

And the best part? When I try to delete old versions, it just says “Sorry, that didn’t work”.

Not sure if I should laugh or cry.

superkret,

To this day I have no idea how OneDrive even works. Like, it will prompt you to sync your desktop and documents folders when you install it, but what happens if I do that also on a second PC?

nottheengineer,

Judging from my experience with onedrive, it’ll probably screw up so hard you’ll have to reinstall windows twice.

TacoNissan,

It will literally copy everything in the OneDrive folder between computers. Including desktop icons for programs that aren’t installed on the other computer. It’s a shit show. Imagine setting up a new laptop and it’s immediately flooded with desktop icons for programs you don’t have yet.

spez,

Man, I feel so sorry for you

nottheengineer,

I’m fine, I already made the decision to quit and am now looking for a company that doesn’t blindly trust microsoft with anything they do.

dylanTheDeveloper,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao, Microsoft does a little trolling

spez, (edited )
rab,

Ya during video calls at my work it’s always the entire room waiting for the Linux users to troubleshoot their sound and video. Usually they give up and join the call from their iPhone

Windows for workstations and Linux for servers imo.

crystal,

just use a just works distro

rab,

Tried running fedora for a while and still run into problems

I’m a sysadmin for 10 years and I have no patience for my own workstation having issues anymore

WagnasT,

can relate to having no patience for my workstation having issues, that’s why i use linux. It does exactly what i tell it to.

ParsnipWitch,
@ParsnipWitch@feddit.de avatar

What kind of software under windows do you use to facilitate the network and security in the firm you work for?

rab,

None, I’m behind ACLs and an f5 firewall on separate vlan

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

For development Unix-like OSes are far superior to Windows. Macs mostly work OOTB but are far too expensive if you need anything more than the base config. As for me, never had issues with my mic and webcam under Ubuntu and even Arch, pipewire Just Works in my experience.

rab,

You can get Linux subsystem for Windows in a single click, problem solved

Sethayy,

lmao, mine as well being a cup of water to the desert and tell a fish their problem is solved

rab,

I am a Linux admin right now who does everything using Windows 11 and fedora subsystem

Linux as a workstation is trash that people only use because they think they are cool

Sethayy,

Linux let’s you have low level control over your hardware, windows blocks that.

Running linux under windows offers nothing beyond familiarity of linux tools, which obviously are better suited to a linux environment.

If you prefer windows it has its own closed ecosystem, but at this point its really just preference x monopoly

rab,

Linux under Windows is in a separate container lol. You have no idea what you are talking about

Sethayy,

A container with what permissions? Please prove me wrong and do a gpu pass through. Oh wait its a container so it still is CONTAINED within windows, and inherits its limitations.

Just run Linux with wine/VM if you really got such a windows hard on, wine van essentially be used as a windows container

rab,

You don’t needs a pass through. It’s a container, not a vm!

Sethayy,

Exactly, hence why gpu pass through is impossible. Due to a limitation on windows. Cause the install isnt nearly equivalent to a full linux install. Its almost like it has a reduced set of features

TheMonkeyLord,

I am not a techy person, not a programmer, nada, and linux (particularly fedora) has always worked with little to no issue for me.

The hardest thing I really ever have to do is enable the rpm fusion repos on a fresh install, and the only problem I consistently encounter is discord trying to take control of, and subsequently destroy, my audio when using bluetooth headphones.

I just use it because it is an easier, privacy & user respecting system.

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

I guess you only use ssh, docker or k8s? For serious software development, integration between the windows host and the Linux VM is far from seamless, or was last time I checked. Anyway, when all the software you use is unix-first, why bother jumping through hoops to make it run under an inferior OS?

deadlyduplicate,

Nah once you get used to Linux, it’s hard to go back to Windows, it has nothing to do with what I think is cool.

rab,

I am literally a Linux system administrator

jerkface,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Like literally a third of the people here. Big deal, means less than nothing.

rab,

Installing Linux on your home computer doesn’t make you a sysadmin

Most of the people here don’t know fuck all, it’s obvious by just this conversation

I’m probably the only person in this thread who actually makes money using Linux

msage,

Keep dreaming buddy.

There is always a bigger fish.

BaguetteSamurai,

Being a sysadmin doesn’t make you a desktop user

Bo7a,

I’m probably the only person in this thread who actually makes money using Linux

Lol. Cute. In another comment you mentioned being born in the 90s. Some of us have been making money using linux since you were in early elementary school.

rab,

Then why do you all not even know what a container is? Too old to keep up?

Bo7a,

Well I had decided not to pick on your obvious shortcomings and be polite, but since you are choosing to be an asshole - No doubt you have a hard time keeping fedora up, you can’t even read usernames.

Hint: I never mentioned containers, wsl, or anything else in this thread. I just found it funny that you think you are special as a fledgling sysadmin on lemmy.

rab,

I was just saying that because literally no one in this thread knows what they are talking about. Maybe you do…

Bo7a,

Sorry if I return insults to perceived insults. It is just who I am. I definitely do know what I’m talking about. But the one thing I have learned over and over is that it doesn’t matter how much I know, there are always folks who know more. And a ton of them are here on lemmy.

rab,

Well there may be a ton on lemmy, but not in this thread lol

BautAufWasEuchAufbaut,
@BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Which qualifies your opinion about GNU+Linux workstations how?

rab,

Because I administer them and get paid a lot to do so? Idk lol

BautAufWasEuchAufbaut,
@BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Above you acknowledged that there’s a difference for desktop and server cases.
You do know you can just say you prefer Windows as your desktop?

rab,

Doesn’t it go without saying these are just my opinions

BautAufWasEuchAufbaut,
@BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Linux as a workstation is trash that people only use because they think they are cool

That’s not an opinion, that’s just an insult of people’s preferences and developer’s hard, often unpaid work. There’s no substance or explanation, which would be fine with “I personally prefer using Microsoft Windows” but not your statements above. I really feel like you’re “arguing” in bad faith.

pixeltree,

Hell I’ve never even had audio issues on oracle linux, everything else is broken but the audio

WagnasT,

As a former helldesk minion I can assure you that linux users are not even on my radar of people that waste everyone’s time with troubleshooting simple things.

rab,

I used to do desktop support and I never helped the Linux users either.

Most of them only use it because they think they are cool or something. Usually break the install every 3 days.

Sethayy,

almost always break the install, but the customization looks so pretttyyyy

nuxetcrux,

Watch him grovel

Osirus,

Yeah, mac-tards are the worst. “I want this to do all the exact same things as windows but I refuse to use windows”

WagnasT,

Most of my mac users were fine, the people i had a problem with didn’t matter what OS they used, it was the ones that complain a thing isn’t working, you ask for confirmation that the thing is plugged in, they say yes it is plugged in, then you physically move to the workstation to find that it is not plugged in. If you have a legit problem, even if you caused it we’re still cool. If you waste my time by lieing to me we are no longer cool.

finestnothing,

I just use qpwgraph so if audio isn’t playing, either it isn’t registering (source apps fault, doesn’t happen often though) or it’s going to the wrong place and I can quickly switch it around. Bonus points for being able to route music through your microphone to play it for teammates

yokonzo,

What the fuck kind of “photos add-on” does this

glimse,

None that I know of…and definitely not built into Windows

Jaxi_is_here,

I see your problem you’re using windows

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