There’s a quote variously attributed to a bunch of people that’s along the lines of “you can’t reason someone out of a corner they didn’t reason themselves into” — not to say your friends didn’t necessarily come by a faulty logic to get themselves there; rather that there’s some innate values that were interpellated by the rhetoric of the so-called redpill, and you’re unfortunately seeing an aspect of them that was always there but perhaps in different forms. It’s not worth your time to argue with them, and sadly, may not be worth your time to be in that environment either.
You can argue with a pigeon, you can tell it you are right and it is wrong, you can use logical arguments and sound evidence, but you won't change its mind and at the end of the day you'll still end up with shit in your hair.
Ask them what they hope to win. You can sit there and make endless arguments to defend your view that half of humanity is awful. Until eventually everyone just gives up arguing. Now what? There is a next day. The victim mentality is not even self-serving. At most it lets you know how badly your life went, but far more often it skews your view of the events and gives you nothing to work with moving forward except a desire to hurt others.
Tell them they won and ask them what they want to do next.
You have to pull the reverse red pill card, to red pilled them out of being red pilled. It takes a next level pillmaster to achieve this and I’m not sure it’s ever even been done on record.
Red pill mentality isn't stupid. If it was, you'd be able to come up with your own counterarguments rather than relying on asking random people on the web.
Now while the red pill mentality does make a lot of valid points, there are some extremists out there that take it too far and are simply woman-haters. And those people are stuck in their ways and not worth arguing with.
The thing is, I have a lot of valid counter-arguments, the problem is that every time I state one, the “red pills” have such a stupid comeback that I just can’t say anything back… Like I’ve heard things with mind-blowing levels of idiocy. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against self improvement, far from it. I just don’t think that dropping all your hobbies, interests and personality to be “big muscle guy who defends Andrew Tates at all cost” is “self improvement”.
You don't need that to be a man. Masculinity is changing, and truly manly men accept and adapt to change; not cower from or reject it. You'll make it through, but if you want anyone to enjoy spending time with you, you gotta drop the act and find your true self, and realize that while improvements are always welcomed, that you are enough as you are.
Even if you assumed a goal of reproductive success, it's idiotic to think there is a single best strategy that is unchanging. Humans evolved over tens of thousands of years, and they evolved to be adaptable. It's like trying to play a football game with the same play every time... People will catch on quickly.
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