Longtime Lemmy Users: aside from sheer size, do you feel like the site has changed since the influx of reddit refugees, and if so, how?
I’ve not been here long, but I’m curious how users who were present before the reddit drama feel about any potential changes to the content and tone of discussions.
While there is some bad, overall it had genuinely changed for the better. There’s a lot more diversity in the kind of people here and the kind of content posted. It used to be a lot more dominated by Tankie nonsense.
People who engage in debate in good faith are welcome. People who abuse and name call are not. Doesn’t matter what your political ideology is, BE NICE!
That’d be a lack of sympathetic understanding. Kindly educate someone, peacefully correct them, relate to them and ask “how could they be so wrong?” Be genuine. Too often are people berated for a differing opinion over a matter of fact. It’s just a lack of awareness in nearly every case. People (usually) don’t want to be ignorant on purpose, they just are
Got my first explicit scatological DM from someone with no fewer than three actual slurs (n-word included) in their username yesterday, from the lemmy.world instance (yes, my instance), so that was “fun”. I’ve also seen the same sort of posts, from the same sorts of users, elsewhere in comment sections. Fun times.
Lemmy.World has gained a lot more fascists. Seemingly not so much the case on the other instances. Maybe because beehaw defederated so they think that’s the place to be to troll lefties and liberals and organize? Uncertain but anecdotally it’s definitely happening.
Mods and admins need to get proactive. We’ve all seen what happens to places when the right invades - everyone else leaves, it descends into a cess pit, even the nazis leave, site dies.
Let’s not turn into voat.
The right has nothing to offer anyone who isn’t a giant bigot, these days. They have no positions beyond, “hurt the people who I say need hurting.”
There is no valuable discussion that can come out of talking to a right winger. At this point they are all Sartre’s antisemite.
In fact, including right wingers only strengthens left and liberal echo chambers because instead of discussing nuanced matters everyone jumps up to dunk on the Nazi.
Kill baby Hitler in his crib. Autoban right wingers before they destroy the fediverse.
I’m not the other user, but the phrase “gender mythology ideological nonsense” is some Nazi-level transphobic shit. Cute of you to pretend like we all forgot about that line after just a few comments, though.
“I don’t hate trans people, I just believe Nazi-adjacent shit about “gender mythology ideological nonsense””
Whether you like it or not, calling something “utter nonsense/pseudoscience/mythology” and “made up bullcrap” doesn’t make it so. Just admit you don’t understand it. Not understanding something is perfectly fine, everyone has something they don’t understand. But if you’re going to insult the entire concept of gender identity because you can’t wrap your fragile little ego around it, be prepared to get called names because you are literally indistinguishable from transphobes.
Also the Nazis threw trans people in concentration camps for being trans, so yes, the comparison to Nazis is apt.
Putting it in a classic Richard Dawkins fashion… Come on, you are a man of the 21st century, you don’t need me to tell you that Diamoric changing into a Pomosexual overnight because he also happened to also be gender fluid, is a myth
Just because I despise the Christian ideology / Bible, doesn’t mean I despise Christians. Similarly, for most of the gender ideology and trans people
I never harmed or “threw trans people in concentration camps”. By your own logic I’m not a nazi
Diamoric changing into a Pomosexual overnight because he also happened to also be gender fluid, is a myth
What the fuck are you even talking about? Look, gender is a sociological construct distinct from sex, and people existing as a gender that doesn’t perfectly align with their biological sex has an anthropological basis going back millennia. I looked those words up, and they’re just…words people use to describe sexual orientations that don’t fit neatly onto the gender spectrum? Seriously, that’s what you’re upset over? Never mind the fact that those are extremely esoteric words that the vast majority of trans people are never going to use. What makes you think the mere existence of these words somehow invalidates all trans people?
Just because I despise the Christian ideology / Bible, doesn’t mean I despise Christians. Similarly, for most of the gender ideology and trans people
Trans people isn’t a religion, nor is it an “ideology” like you and other reactionaries keep trying to claim. Your constant attempt to compare it to religion or other ideologies makes it clear you’re trying to make the idea of transness as something that can be invalidated so you can pretend you hate the trans and not the person but no one is buying it.
Also you claim to despise Christianity but this is literally the exact same shit Christians use against gay people. “Hate the sin, not the sinner” bullshit and all that. Word for word the exact same shit.
I never harmed or “threw trans people in concentration camps”. By your own logic I’m not a nazi
Nazis hated trans people, which was the point that you’re pretending to ignore. And as much as you want to claim you don’t hate trans people, it’s pretty obvious you’re desperately trying to make excuses to do exactly that.
It’s really. Really. Not hard. To actually critize groups like LGBT without being a bigot. Are some of them jumpy? Yeah I would be too when political parties actively want me dead.
literally didn't mention china or russia but yeah some tankies circlejerking their bad takes on the internet are not equivalent to the nazis who are out there murdering people on the reg.
the fact that you think they're equatable, as well as the fact that you bring them up out of nowhere points to your true ideology, even if you aren't aware of what it is.
“Left wing, right wing. We’re all under the same bird” so let’s fly together. People. Are. People. The only difference is experience over the course of life. Meet in the middle, agree to disagree, try to have an intellectual and thought provoking discussion with anybody. Deciding to blindly hate half of your country’s people is bot a good decision. It’s a blanket treatment. If you were treated a certain way by those you despise just for being who you are, I’m sure it isn’t fair. Dont be a hypocrite and do it back, assuming anything will be better. You’ll just drive the wedge that divides you from them deeper. The world is uncomfortable
def seeing more abusive people show up, and nutcases who are spamming their ideological nonsense on every post who have think being first to post about their victim hood as misunderstood holders of THE TRUTH is some sort of relevant commentary and they are being oppressed by some other group of a different ideology.
this thread seems to be exhibit A.
also way more low quality shit posting and memes which i have to spend several minutes blocking each morning.
They are a troll who lies because there are no consequences for their lies. Their actually position is irrelevant if they will present any trollbait argument they think will further the anarchy in the discussion.
Nah mate you said some amazing stuff in your post. I’m not smart enough to say and those thing so I thank you for it. I’m more of a violent anti fascist words hard, hammer steong
People like you show up and act like you have no ideology, that you’re just a fully blank slate. You are the guest, you are bringing your ideology here. We’ve been around for years. We are just used to being in a minority ideology and having discourse about it, you have never seen ideology in the way that a fish has never seen water.
You’re dead on about the low energy shitposting and memes tho
You may have the option unselected, therefore blocking all NSFW posts. I do this on both Lemmy and kbin as I don’t want to browse for content and come across porn on my screen
Yeah, most instances are SFW content only, so the porn is mostly on a few specific instances which may or may not be federated with yours. I’ve come across 3 different instances with communities I need to block for being porn : / even with nsfw hidden on mine I still see the blurred posts and that’s not really much better… especially having to go into the community to block it…
I’d like to block the whole instances, especially after coming across a post asking where non-consensual stuff can be posted…
Interesting. I’ve heard a lot of people complaining but never seen any of it. I have NSFW filters off on the site and on Memmy. Kind of thankful I don’t have to go through any of the blocking
I’m on lemm.ee. I think I’ve seen 1 nsfw post. Under configuration there’s a checkbox to not see nsfw content. I checked my alt account. The same checkbox is on lemmy.world
I actually hasn’t see any porn when from the browser… Only when I decided to download an mobile app I got flooded by a lot of NSFW… I wonder why… Maybe the lemmy.world itself doesn’t have much porn, but what is “hot” and “active” in other instances it is? That explains why going directly in to lemmy.world they doesn’t show up.
Vanguard ideology is the weakest point of Leninism. It always attracts those seeking power. But there’s nothing stopping a leftist group from owning a lemmy instance and banning everyone that disagrees with their flavor of leftism.
I have never once met a person who talks like this who has also made a good faith effort to under Marxist thought. Why are you so confident? We’ve been around for hundreds of years, we have a lively and robust intellectual landscape, and calling us red fash without even making an attempt to hear us out hurts you more than it hurts us.
Try going to any “scientific socialist” community and tell them you don’t believe what Trotsky said about the Kronstadt sailors.
Watch criticism of party structures and leaders get flattened into base-anticommunism.
I’ve read and listened to plenty of Marxists, enough for me to trust in their analysis, and not their ability to talk to people who don’t know how, or don’t want to learn how to walk on your eggshells.
I’m dying. This is my favorite comment of yours by far. I’m amazed that you realize that you have some deficiencies in the intelligence department. Fuckin brilliant
A leftist safe zone still exists, they have their own instance.
Liberals not realizing that liberalism is also an ideology and not just “default way of being”. What we really need is a liberal safe zone so that y’all can have your own instance.
Eh… Instances are like countries and federations are like Alliances. A leftist safe zone still exist and they federate only with like minded instances.
I prefer to think of this as the liberal safe zone and the rest of lemmy as leftist, as it has been for years before lemmy.world exploded from the massive influx of reddit refugees
My experience is that most extremely ideologically driven communities tend to devolve into the same heavy-handed moderation tactics. I think this happens because it’s easier to imagine that the ends justify the means, and because small minority communities that are far from the larger consensus viewpoints are going to have issues with relatively large number of outside users coming in and wanting to debate or denigrate the fringe ideology.
Have you ever made an effort to try to understand why us tankies believe what we do, or even what we actually believe? I’d be happy to talk with you about it if you’re curious.
“Democratic” and “Authoritarian” are extremely loaded here. The tankie line, that I believe, is that modern Marxist nations face ruthless ideological attacks from both without (imperialism, foreign influence, infiltration, demands to liberalize, war) and within (vestiges of the former bourgeoisie). Two schools of thought exist in how to go about implementing socialism: the friendly, open process that allows external and internal forces to collude and infiltrate and institute genocide, pain, and destitution (Sukarno’s Indonesia, Allende’s Chile, Revolutionary Catalonia, Iran, anywhere touched by Operation Condor…) and the more aggressive form of socialism that clamps down tightly on dissent and develops socialism with ideological protection and close management (Vietnam, Cuba, the USSR). Nations in the category of the former invariably see mass death, starvation, and the ultimate repurposing into a state managed by imperialist powers (Suharto, Pinochet, Hitler…). States in the latter category (verify this information for yourself, I don’t want you taking what I say as gospel) invariably see world-best ascents in literacy, employment, public health, GDP, life expectancy, gender equality, income equality, and more.
This terrifies the imperialist powers. These actually existing socialism (AES) countries demonstrate an ability to thrive despite America’s and the west’s interests and attempts at destabilization. So what can be done? You lie about them. There is absolutely precedent for the US lying to its people about their enemies, in fact there is no precedent for the US not lying about their enemies. So us tankies decide that the truth exists somewhere between the US state line that Stalin is more evil than Hitler, and that the Soviet Union was a Utopian paradise. It is just as foolish to go with one side as it is the other. The only thing we know for sure is that the US has a long track record of genocide, torture, propaganda, imperialism, and lying about all of it, so why would we trust them?
So to sum it up, if I were to believe the line that reactionary insurrection is “Democratic” like the US state line says, and if I believe that AES states are “Authoritarian” and forcing policy on the people without consent like the US state line also says, then no, I don’t support bringing in the tanks. I also believe it never really happens like that. I believe that AES countries make lots of mistakes, and I’ve never met a tankie who doesn’t, but I believe that countries that are hard on reaction are better for it.
btw, thanks for engaging in good faith discourse. It’s super hard on this topic and while I don’t like your framing I recognize that it’s not because you’re trying to antagonize me, it’s because you’re faithfully portraying your beliefs.
idk tell that to all the users complaining about “too many tankies” on lemmy. I’m not the one who turned this into a conversation about ideology, I’m just responding to it.
Because it’s not a “leftist space.” It’s a federated Web platform with many communities. If any of you identipols want a safe space go setup some password protected forum somewhere.
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