Why is *all* of Lemmy filled with Anti Israel content?

I hope I will not get downvoted because I'm genuinely wondering

Lemmy almost has no users from neither Israel or Palestine, however most of communities filled with Anti Israel content, I even tried muting all news related communities, but now I see anti Israel content in completely unrelated communities, like https://lemmy.world/c/android and https://sopuli.xyz/c/memes

Is there a reason why Lemmy is so fixated on Israel/Palestine? Neither of other world conflicts get even close in terms of attention. It's neither a case on my microblogging Fediverse account or my most "algoritmic" social media, even kbin part of the Threadiverse seems not as obsessed with it, what's so different about Lemmy?

(Sorry for a bit clickbait-y title)

Edit: I actually might take down this post because half of people in replies completely misunderstood it

shiihs,

What Hamas did was atrocious, and how Israel responds is even worse. Where I live, people are not against Israel or Palestine per se. They are against violence and genocide. And rightfully so. No matter who commits the crimes, or where they are committed, they are still crimes and it'd frankly be weird not to condemn them in the strongest possible way. Is it really that difficult not to think only in terms of us-them. black-white, good-bad and/or left-right? The level of discourse (or absence thereof) is quite disheartening.

snek,

#;dr Because Israel is breaking international law.

Fitik,

Are you stalking my profile now lol?

snek,

Maybe. Why? Does it bother you if people call out Israel?

Fitik,

Not really, there's a lot of propoganda online so it's completely understandable to me

I do find it concerning tho when a person first says that I should stop saying "bullshit" and then goes on as far to stalk my profile for my past posts

snek,

Well, in my defence, a lot of what you are saying IS bullshit.

sagrotan,
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

I had a look into it and have to say: you got a point. OP still has to learn some things, but where’s life there is hope.

snek,

It’s funny because in the post they said that anti Israeli content bothers them, but they claim it doesn’t. I think it bothers them a lot. But what should bother them more is apartheid in Israel and genocide in the name of the Jewish people.

shinigamiookamiryuu,

Most really just dislike “the West” for its own misdeeds and interpret that as a cue to say “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. This is a false way of going about themselves, especially considering the revelations about Palestine lately revolving crimes of mass violation, which are similar to what the perpetrators of the Nanjing Massacre did.

There is no shame in being deceived, but considering how I was treated for it all, I’ll be taking great relative pride in saying to everyone “I told you so”, just like I can do for Ukraine. Still don’t understood how anyone can say they’re pro-LGBT and not have at least a little respect for Israel or its people.

It also makes it misleading many of the people doing this siding identify as misanthropes when they like a whole faction of humanity enough to side unconditionally with them. A true misanthrope, by definition, sides with nobody. Take it from me. I have my reasons.

LemmyKnowsBest,

This morning I read some statistic that approx 73% of all internet traffic is bots & shills.

So that might have something to do with this phenomenon you’re experiencing.

shinigamiookamiryuu,

Most of that has got to be miscellaneous stuff though, like maintenance testing. How would that work out for business if more than half of us were bots?

I will say though, it brings some assurance to be able to say “I’m also ____ on another website” as bots cannot operate universally with uniformity. For example, if I were to mention here how I’m DollarGeneralKenobi on PsychCentral and vice versa, it would pose a challenge to the bot thing based on the stereotype that a bot is only made to be interested in one meeting place.

magnetosphere,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

I can’t speak for others, but as I see it, the Israeli government is committing atrocities on a daily basis. So is Hamas. I’m against senseless violence in general, but since the IDF has the upper hand and has killed the most civilians in the current conflict, I’m more likely to complain about them.

ani,

Lemmy originally has an anti-west bias. That naturally spans to general communities as well

BaldProphet,
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

The Fediverse is heavily far left-leaning. The far left is anti-Israel, and thus so are most Fediverse users.

Fitik,

I know it is, however I'm talking about communities that have no relation with politics, news, Israel or Palestine

BaldProphet,
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

Oh, I see. My guess is poor moderation.

voidMainVoid,

Being against apartheid is not a “far left” position.

Maeve,

Anti-genocide and anti-apartheid (antifascist) is not “far left.” Those things are far right.

dumdum666, (edited )

Of course you will get downvoted because there is no nuance with those people (often Tankies or „anticolonional“/„antiimperial“ leftists) and when they hate on „Israel“ and „Zionism“, they more often than not, mean „Jews“.

And exactly those people are part of the reason that Jews are scared for their life all over the world.

As someone that considers himself a leftist, even by European standards, I am honestly disgusted by those people. I think „those people“ are willing to betray left values as long it is about Israel or Jews. Many of them even lack basic human empathy as long as „only“ Jews and/or Israelis are concerned.

Edit:

thanks @ElcaineVolta ! As you disapprove of my posts, I know I do the right things.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh whatever. I’m a Jew. Israel is committing genocide. It’s that simple. What they are doing is why I am scared for my life. Because they are radicalizing people against Jews through this genocide. Maybe you need a little empathy.

dumdum666,

I don’t care what you claim to be.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, sure, because finding out what actual Jews think wouldn’t make you feel so condescendingly paternalistic over us.

snek,

“Claim to be”? You sound like a sad sack of shit.

ElcaineVolta,
@ElcaineVolta@kbin.social avatar

name checks out

Th4tGuyII,
@Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

There's plenty of nuance to be had here, but there's a clear cut reason as to why many are steering towards Anti-Israel, and it's not Judaism.

It is true that Hamas has slaughtered innocent civilians, and Israel absolutely had to respond...

But how on Earth can you sit there and side with a country who's reaction to a terrorist attack was to commit human rights violations and start a genocide against innocent civilians of that nationality?

Do you mean to tell me that bombing hundreds of innocent Palestinians, and then cutting off essential water and electricity to many more is a warranted response to any of this?

Also, since I keep seeing this - stop with the "Anti-Israel = Anti-Semite" crap - Israel is a Jewish state, not Judaism itself. This is the equivalent of saying Saudi Arbia represents all of Islam because of Mecca, or that the Vatican city represents all of Christianity.

Criticising Israel for playing a game of morality limbo with the Hamas isn't an attack on Judaism, nor is it advocating for any kind of hatred towards Jewish people.

Though let's be honest, if you won't even take a Jewish person's word for it that your take is shite, you're never gonna take mine.

Maeve,

Seems to me you’re willing to abandon left values when it pertains to Palestine.

ExtraordinaryJoe,

And titties. I see more porn content than anything.

Fitik,

Damn really? I don't see NSFW content at all, very wierd.

heavyboots,
@heavyboots@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean… while I defend the right of Israel to defend themselves from attacks, they’re basically committing genocide in the name of “defense” by not discerning between innocent Palestinians and Hamas. And thus, they have become the bad guys through their bad actions and are getting a lot of hate over it.

billwashere,

Maybe it might because Israel is in the wrong? Maybe overreacting a bit and committing something awfully close to genocide? Just a thought.

voidMainVoid,

I think the reason why people in the US care about this genocide (and not others) is because the US is funding it so hard.

Maeve,

I care mostly because it’s wrong.

Gabadabs,
@Gabadabs@kbin.social avatar

"Is there a reason why Lemmy is so fixated on Israel/Palestine?"
I figure that people who take the time to swap to federated social media are generally going to be people that are a little more political...
and Israel is currently actively committing genocide. So political people are posting anti-israel posts. It's really not more complicated than that.

solowolf,

There is a lot of leftist/communist who run lemmy. I guess they are aint jewish and pro palestine. My guess

Fitik,

I know, I am completely not surprised by them, I am talking specifically about communities with zero relation to politics, to Israel or to Palestine. I apologize if I haven't made it clear enough in my original post

billwashere,

I know plenty of Jewish folks who aren’t happy with the Israeli government and how this is being handled.

samothtiger,

Being anti Israel is not anti Jewish. Please don’t conflate the two.

dumdum666,

It is so awesome to check the reduces to your post to update my blocklists on kbin - thanks for your service

cerement,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

considering Israel has no problem killing Palestinian Jews, where does that put them on the anti-semitic spectrum?

MrJameGumb,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t seen any comments like what you’re describing.

Fitik,

Can we switch accounts please?/s
Actually in one of the replies a person mentioned that it might be because of the mod actions not federating properly to kbin/mbin, and it's actually sounds as a logical reason, especially if you say that you haven't seen what I'm describing.

Candelestine,

Are you asking why Lemmy has a lean towards political activism? Why the political activism is so heavily focused on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict? Or why they’ve chosen the side that they have within that conflict?

All three are completely different questions, and all of them are complicated and also pretty much impossible to answer with any real confidence. But they’re interesting.

Anyways, which is the biggest thrust of your question?

Fitik,

I am talking about apolitical communities, or those that are supposed to be apolitical at least, i apologize if I haven't made it clear enough in my original thread.

JohnDClay,

Lemmy doesn’t have many enforced apolitical communities. Because even the meaning of apolitical is contentious and arguably political.

Fitik,

Actually, suprisingly, maybe not "enforced" but it does have a lot of vibrant and different communities not related to politics.

JohnDClay,

I mean the moderators don’t usually take down political things from what I’ve seen. Memes on .ml for example is specifically okay with propaganda posters.

Maeve,

And every other nations’ propaganda, notably Western’ nations. * appear on every other instance.

Candelestine,

Apolitical communities formed of people that are otherwise more politically active sorts may see a little more politics than normal, during particularly emotional times.

It’s more about the people than the community.

Fitik,

I completely understand it and your point is valid.
However, I was talking about communities unrelated to it, I am not even apolitical myself, I say so because I usually have 2 separate accounts for interacting with political content and non political one, but when I tried to do it on Threadiverse - I failed.

Candelestine,

Right. I was just saying that communities that are completely, 100% unrelated to politics, may begin to see more politics, during particularly emotional times.

So, in a community completely unrelated to politics, people can still talk about politics unless it is against the rules. So, during times when people are sad, angry or otherwise upset, it kinda just creeps in?

Make sure that if you really want to stay away from it, you look for communities where political discussion is specifically a ban-able offense. Those will usually have a lot less fighting and arguments.

As for why there is so much of this on Lemmy specifically, it’s because we are probably more politically active than most of the rest of the internet.

Fitik,

That's what I thought too, I mentioned in this reply that it was like that everywhere when the war have just started and when the Israel started to respond
https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/433028/-/comment/2729986
However, it has been 59 days since the war start already and I don't see any less talking about this issues, unlike in other social media where it is limited to the political communities.

And thanks for the thoughtful and full response, it might be one of the best explanations I got in those replies, pretty well written.

Candelestine,

No problem. That would start to bleed into the second of the questions I proposed earlier, and frankly, the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is just special. Like, unique in many ways. So it dominates when it’s around, that’s the same every time it fires back up. There’s a lot of storied history, rooted in things everyone has studied and at least vaguely understands.

And this particular flare-up is particularly huge. Lots of big explosions, lots of footage, lots of carnage.

Maeve,

We don’t see any less genocide either.

LordGimp,

Zionists can’t help but cry regardless of what community they’re in. Add lemmy’s general stance against apartheid and oppressive government and you have a community primed to “pick on israel” when they’re actually just expressing their opinions. The zionists love to make themselves the victim regardless of actual circumstances

masquenox,

There is no such thing as an “apolitical” community - not here on the fediverse or anywhere else.

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