Who have logs of how users vote?

Besides it’s a very important question for our privacy, I suspect some of my comments getting downvoted at set periods of time from other accounts. I don’t understand how the fediverse work and what I’m asking is who has vote logs? Who I can ask, if a bot, like on reddit, got dedicated to downvote every post from one user. How to avoid vote brigading on here? Can it be automated?

I’m not pissed and I do know I post literal shit sometimes. It’s just I’m wondering, if our fedieverse have machanics against that.

AMillionNames,

There’s already examples of social networks that have upvotes and downvotes public. Besides kbin.social, which isn’t the most popular, there are some that have existed for a long time outside of the English speaking world, like meneane.net

Admins and instance owners will be seeing that information, and given how badly some of them behave without any remorse, I don’t see any reason why that privilege shouldn’t just be made accessible for all. Otherwise you have no way to judge downvotes, which just essentially makes them useless except for current thread sorting.

See who makes it, and you can generally get a sense if they are making a downvote honestly, just circlejerking it, or a high likelihood of an alt because a dead zombie account that hasn’t made a comment in forever suddenly decides to downvote in a deeply nested debate. In my experience, there is a high correlation of people who want anonymous downvotes and people who don’t want to be called out for their shit, even when they are admins who are constantly peeking to see who’s downvoting them.

It’s clearly not the doomsday that the naysayers say allowing it will be.

intensely_human,

I would also like to know this as I have noticed patterns in my comments where suddenly all my comments drop by one point, as if someone is mass-downvoting me.

gullible,

Every admin of every instance, with a little finagling, can see them. At least that was the case a few months ago.

Rhoeri,
@Rhoeri@lemmy.world avatar

I think you should stop worrying about pointless internet points that don’t matter to anyone.

lalo, (edited )

Vote brigading matters. If you’re subscribed to a ‘controversial’ community and every post gets downvoted to oblivion, you and other subscribers who sort by ‘hot/top’ won’t see the post unless they go directly to the community.

This slowly kills the community, even if its users are active on Lemmy.

willya,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

This happens period in hive mind communities/instances.

Rhoeri,
@Rhoeri@lemmy.world avatar

It that’s what it takes to kill a community, that community wasn’t going to last long to begin with.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Which is why I only sort by new

lalo,

Still, very easy to miss a post from a small community when you’ve got many other larger subscriptions.

Bebo,

But everyone doesn’t sort by new. So something like this matters.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m not sure what you think I was saying.

I was saying that I sort by new because this happens when not enough people do. I’m stating that I hope to do my teeny, tiny part to reduce the affect.

andrew_bidlaw,

I’m not. I only care about it at times if I’m not sure if my edgy joke lands right.

The problem is, here I want to stay anonymous. If I share an unique meme from c/risa on some other network e.g. discord, or even phone number-attached TG\FB\IG\whatever, reverse image search and then going to the upvotes makes it easy to narrow it down to who I am here. Easier, than watching packet sizes of said images via ISP or breaking into my phone\PC, and it can be done without any paperwork.

I’m yet to say something worth a notice on this or other accounts, I haven’t shared secret schemes of warplanes like they do on WarThunder forums, but I’m very dissatisfied with how my state’s doing, and there are laws making my critique a criminal offence. Yeah, right, they are this fragile. It won’t stop me, but it concerns me that we, as Lemmings, think it’s not that public, but kbiners see upvotes, instance admins see both, and a federated instance by your local CIA-thing can vaccuum it into their database once federated.

Compared to Reddit, Lemmy is better. But while Reddit needs to accept a request from authorities before giving up this aspect of one person’s internet life, Lemmy requires a pretty simple data-mining server, and it’d suck in everyone’s history.

I think it’s inescapable with all this federating stuff. But it is a thing to keep in mind.

lemann,

The problem is, here I want to stay anonymous

All social media by nature isn’t. You can only try to not make it associable with your IRL identity

IMO public vote data is a small price to pay for not being targeted by ads and followed all over the internet, considering the alternatives are non-federated ad platforms that watch how long you spend scrolling, looking at specific items etc, altering your feed & suggestions to make them more money…

there are laws making my critique a criminal offence. Yeah, right, they are this fragile […] and a federated instance by your local CIA-thing can vaccuum it into their database once federated

Just be mindful of what you post - sign up at an instance located overseas, don’t interact with communities for your geographic region, don’t post pictures. Won’t stop a subpoena, but layer Tor on top and the origin is unknown. Won’t stop data mining, but if there’s no geographic hints in your post history they are SOL IMO

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

For upvotes, just use Kbin.

For this thread: kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/…/favourites

For downvotes, you need your own instance

Can_you_change_your_username,

You can see down votes on Kbin. The reduces are down votes.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

OP is on Lemmy, it does not work (I tried in the past)

e0qdk,
@e0qdk@kbin.social avatar

kbin only shows downvotes from kbin users, not from lemmy users.

pelotron,
@pelotron@midwest.social avatar

I think the instance admins might have access to this via their database.

andrew_bidlaw,

Do you mean my home instance or where I participate from it?

redcalcium,

Any instance that federates your comment/post will have this data.

andrew_bidlaw,

Thanks. Someone even snatched usernames of those who upvoted\downvoted a comment below. It means, mining that data is an entry-level programming even an intern in some office can do.

snowe, (edited )
@snowe@programming.dev avatar

~~We do not. Who voted on what is not stored at all. There’s not a database table for it nor is it logged in the logs. ~~

I am apparently too sick to be commenting on here. Comment likes are stored in the comment_like table (I was looking for vote for some reaason…). https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/a2e38a6b-656e-4717-88a1-6d6626f2f4f3.png

andrew_bidlaw,

It is stored, obv, but where? Where my likes come from when I see the same post?

Bishma,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

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    jayknight,

    It also needs to show me how I voted in the UI. It’s stored somewhere.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    @Bishma I am on kbin. If you upvote my comment I can go into 'activity' and get a username list of everyone, from any instance, that upvoted me. The data is obviously there.

    lolcatnip,

    If nothing is stored, how are users prevented from voting multiple times?

    lemann,

    I was looking for vote for some reaason

    Happens to the best of us lol.

    What DBA program is that? It looks sexy clean 😍

    snowe,
    @snowe@programming.dev avatar

    DataGrip. best database tool on the planet. JetBrains really does make the best stuff.

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