What do you think of our lord and saviour Odysee.com?

Yeah, I have been hearing about Youtube blocking ad blocks for a while now and I thought maybe Firefox + uBlock Origin is holding ads at bay for a while, but yeah, it happened today. uBlock origin has been unable to block some ads for me and I am thinking of leaving Youtube. I searched day and night (wink wink) for an alternative and I found odysee.com/ and it seems to be open source and less prone to censorship, I was wondering what you guys were using or thinking of switching too. I think Odysee is FOSS which is giant plus for me and I absolutely love it’s looks.

What do you guys think?

candle_lighter,
@candle_lighter@lemmy.ml avatar

My problem with odysee is that it’s blockchain based and content is impossible to delete, they can only delist it. It’s not foss, but Rumble has been getting more content that isn’t right-wing comentary and politics.

It’s the only platform at the moment that I think could ever surpass YouTube only because creators can make money off it through ads very easily. I would like to see an open source platform like Peertube to be bigger but unless they can find a way to monetize it and give creators a cut, I don’t think it is likely.

LongPigFlavor,

I gave it a look a while back, it’s not for me and it definitely won’t replace Youtube. I still remember when Vimeo was being touted as a “YouTube Killer” and we all know how that turned out. Vimeo did fill it’s unique niche though, and Odyssey does as well, but a YouTube replacement it is not.

PlexSheep,
@PlexSheep@feddit.de avatar

YouTube is too strong. The chosen one is still unknown. It will happen just after the year of the Linux desktop.

quinnly,

I was wondering what you guys were using

I’m still using youtube because that’s where all my favorite content creators are and I don’t care about ads 😬

colonial, (edited )
@colonial@lemmy.world avatar

It’s blockchain garbage. Avoid.

Also, the only good creator on there is Mental Outlaw. And he’s also on YouTube for the foreseeable future, so…

Maddison,

AfterSkool Vertasium Kurzgesart

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

mental outlaw and endermanch is the best part it’s pretty much the best for info on privacy

InfiniWheel,

Sadly, even if you were to somehow avoid all the crazy videos (of which there are a fuck ton more than regular content), the comment sections are nearly always filled with literal nazi wannabies and people being openly bigotted in every possible way. Videos completely unrelated like Veritasium videos always somehow find the comments leaning into how Group X is to blame for everything and other vile stuff.

Even their own announcement posts have people being openly antisemitic as their top comments.

I’d argue its proof a little moderation is actually needed for a site not to become a cesspool.

_spiffy,
@_spiffy@lemmy.ca avatar

I heard about odysee a while ago but it felt dirty using it because of the huge amount of crypto and conspiracy content on it.

Cheradenine,

The developer and the volunteers of Ublock Origin are very responsive, perhaps you could forward your issues to them.

Many sites aggressively respond to ad blocking, it’s cat and mouse.

I don’t know if they are active on Lemmy, they certainly were on Spezit

Maddison, (edited )

thank you! I will do that!

edit: seem to be getting rained with issues pertaining to yt, I guess, this issue is reported

realcaseyrollins,

It looks interesting, but unfortunately only from a technology perspective and not from a content perspective.

orizuru,
@orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If a youtuber I’m interested in mirrors their videos somewhere else, I’ll subscribe to that source via RSS. But that’s just to divert traffic from YouTube, not because I have a preference either way regarding community interactions (I never read comments on videos).

Maddison,

If a youtuber I’m interested in mirrors their videos somewhere else, I’ll subscribe to that source via RSS. But that’s just to divert traffic from YouTube, not because I have a preference either way regarding community interactions (I never read comments on videos).

can you please explain this in detail, I don’t know about RSS and everything

orizuru, (edited )
@orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Basically, an RSS feed is a link that gets updated when there’s an update to a website (here’s an example from my medium page). Anytime I post something, it gets updated.

An RSS feed reader is an app that you can use to list out which websites you’re interested in, and pulls up any new articles that get published.

RSS feeds are everywhere, but often hidden beneath the surface. For example, in the youtube page for Reuters you can’t see any link to an RSS feed, but if you right-click and press “inspect page source”, and then Ctrl+f for the word “rss”, you can find the link hidden there: www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UChqU…

Most RSS feed readers would be able to find that hidden link for you (you’d just have to give it the normal youtube page link). This is how I “subscribe” to things, I just have one central app where I get updates on everything I’m interested in following (blogs, news, videos, etc).

If a youtuber has both an Odyssey and a Youtube channel with the same content, I subscribe to the RSS feed from Odyssey.

Tischkante,
@Tischkante@kbin.social avatar

It should either moderate or filter bot accounts.

SHamblingSHapes,
@SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one avatar

Unmoderated cesspool. Even the most benign videos have bigoted chaos gremlins spewing their shit in the comments.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, Odysee makes a good case for why censorship isn’t always a bad thing.

kent_eh,

Moderation of a private space and censorship are different things.

Limitless_screaming,
@Limitless_screaming@kbin.social avatar

They have a good system in place where normal users moderate the site; if a comment is disliked by enough users it's "slimed to death". It will be harder to find and when you find it you have to click it, to see what it said.

This doesn't work well because there aren't that many users on Odysee compared to Youtube, and the users who are most vocal are not the friendliest people. so those comments aren't overshadowed by other comments, and sometimes they are the only comments on the video.

manapropos,

unmoderated

Based

gabe,

It’s interesting, that’s for sure. But the fact it is filled by nazis and the comment section is just swarming with antisemitism and bigotry is very much not something I’m willing to sift thru.

Maddison,

But the fact it is filled by nazis and the comment section is just swarming with antisemitism

ahh man, I know what you mean, but I generally don’t go there for politics. There are some educational videos and some really good creators who post in parallel with YT (Vertasium for ex) and I think they are lovely.

DukeMcAwesome,

You don’t have to go for the fascism, racism, and disinformation. By shear quantity alone, they’ll be in your next 2-3 videos if you let it autoplay the next recommended video.

I haven’t found a reliable way to just play my followed channels without manually making a queue of videos.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Why would you auto play and not just pick the videos you want to watch? I used to use odysee and I almost never saw racist videos. The comment section on the other hand was a cesspit. I believe you can actually pick what comment section you want and use comments from matador or something else.

Maddison,

i.imgur.com/7G45R9L.png I think this would help you

axo,

Sorry, but “nazis and antisemitism” is not politics. It is racism. Saying something like this is nazi-speech one should not repeat

Maddison,

Sorry, but “nazis and antisemitism” is not politics.

If you are talking about actual Nazis, well, I agree completely.

Saying something like this is nazi-speech one should not repeat

Saying something like what?

axo,

“Nazis is politics” is here in germany often used in a paraphrased way by far right people to justify their point of view, since nazi symbols and thing like that are forbidden by law.

By adopting such prases, even if unintentionally, one reproduces and legitimates such thinking.

Blizzard,

Nazism stands for National Socialism - it’s a political ideology, so definitely politics.

FarraigePlaisteach,

Politics is just the method of delivery. It’s racism.

WoodenBleachers, (edited )
@WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

That’s exactly how politics works

Edit: All I mean is that politics is literally nothing more than a way to carry ideas, in this case, to govern. While unethical, racism is an idea. Nazism is clearly politics

richieadler,

You seem to believe that you’re impervious to politics.

WoodenBleachers,
@WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

As I understand it that’s quite a jump. What do you mean?

HerbalGamer,

racism is just a tool in the political toolbelt of fascism

krimsonbun,
@krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not wanting to use a platform that supports nazis isn’t really politics I don’t think

kent_eh,

it is filled by nazis and the comment section is just swarming with antisemitism and bigotry

Where there is no moderation and no content policy that always happens.

gonzoknowsdotcom1,

Odysee isn’t the main website the real use if Lbry desktop or Lbry gtk

Maddison,

it looks good tho, although uploading videos is somewhat complicated.

gonzoknowsdotcom1,

How so?

Maddison,

The crypto currency stuff complicates things, otherwise everything else is better than youtube. I think I have to read a book to understand what Crypto is and how it relates to Odysee and how it works on odysee.

Uvine_Umbra,
@Uvine_Umbra@partizle.com avatar

I ran a lbry seeder a few months ago to practice devops & data science.

The lbry crypto is used to hold links to every bit of content uploaded into the network, boosting content on the platform, enforcing channel names, creating paywalls for certain content on the platform, & tipping creators.

The blockchain network’s primary goal is to hold a long list of in network links that correspond to content stored on individual computers, so when you put in for example lbry://fireship#f/Java_for_haters or something like that, iirc (I’m not near my PC rn), the request goes to delegation servers which query the block chain, return the video link and then call devices on the BitTorrent lower network to send over the requested blobs.

I may be wrong on if the delegation server or the block chain is queried first, but that is basically how it works.

As for moderation/censorship, this is done on a web server built with the lbry apis delivering the videos to the client. You basically can Blocklist individual links or entire domains per se in the bc network so they will not appear on your stuff. This is how they get rid of copyright infringing stuff. Use a different client & change the moderation server and you will see videos odysee.com blocked. I believe you can setup a whitelist too.

Finally, I don’t think comments are actually built into the library protocol itself but are still managed in house by lbry/odysee inc itself. Would have to look deeper into this one, but it wasn’t baked in last time I checked.

The lack of moderation isn’t due to the lbry protocol, it’s the deliberate decision of the lbry team to avoid doing anything as much as possible to show a contrast to YouTube.

Uvine_Umbra,
@Uvine_Umbra@partizle.com avatar

Iirc, uploading videos really isn’t an issue.

You find the video you want to upload, choose a thumbnail, choose like 5 tags (because like the federation that’s the main way you find stuff), potentially choose a language, then place down like 0.01 lbry credits or so for it to be uploaded to the block chain & the bittorrent network/lbry’s servers themselves.

FFmpeg is used to convert the video to a more friendly formatting on the client itself right before sending & boom, video is up.

Maddison,

I need to get used to it I think

gonzoknowsdotcom1,

Odysee is just an Frontend for the backend called Lbry which you can use directly here

lbry.com/windows

Odysee censors content none the less

Maddison,

You sent me a download link for Windows!? That was uncalled for

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/10315656-eaa9-4e7b-a4e5-7b3b9f0ddf78.webm

Maddison,

Lbry

is lbry being fined by the SEC btw? I mean, I was googling for Lbry and I found this

gonzoknowsdotcom1,

They can’t remove the protocol

lbry.com/windows

nutbutter,

I’d want PeerTube to be the norm.

UprisingVoltage,

Same

Maddison,

yeah, it’s pretty confusing and I doubt if that’s going to happen.

fragmentation seems to be huge here

Limitless_screaming,
@Limitless_screaming@kbin.social avatar

It's federated, just like Lemmy and KBin. You can subscribe to a Peertube channel from Lemmy.

kent_eh,

Until there is a reliable monetization path, most of the content won’t be natively there.

Similar issue to Odysee and the many failed startups who have tried to take on YouTube.

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