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Auzy, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

The worst part is that a Youtube Premium Subscription costs more than Netflix or other streaming providers here in Australia… And you’re basically paying for ad removal of a metric ton of low quality content (and their music service, which isn’t as good as others I found)

That being said, this might not be true (I’ve seen lots of BS online regarding browsers in the past)

tias,

And it doesn’t remove promotions by the content creators, so you’re still seeing lots of ads. Still, since my kids spend so much time on YouTube I think it’s worth reducing the amount of brain washing, but I’m definitely not happy about the pricing. It’s ridiculous when you compare it to other streaming services who also have to produce or license their content.

lemmyingly,

How about seeing YouTube adverts to then watch a video that’s entirely an advertisement for the company that’s sponsoring the YouTuber.

gnuplusmatt,

when the email came through for the price hike, I told my wife we should drop the family plan and use more advanced adblocking and invidous etc - apparently my demo didn’t pass the wife and children test… so guess who’s continuing to pay for YT Premium?

coaxil,

Can you ditch the wife and kids?

J/K

Auzy,

That’s actually my suggestion. Clearly the wife is nuts

casmael, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

It’s fucking incredible watching Google change from a fairly well-liked company into essentially fucking Comcast. Fucking incredible.

ReversalHatchery,

Change from? I doubt they will stop being a fairly well hliked company in my lifetime

casmael,

Well I’ve gone from being entirely indifferent to strongly disliking Google. I am actively and somewhat successfully in the process of de-googling. I encourage my friends to do the same, with some success. I think the writing is on the wall. Google seems to have no desire to maintain any sort of goodwill or positive feeling amongst the general public, whom it clearly views as a naturally occurring resource rather than a customer base. Nobody can predict the future but I don’t have a good feeling about the future of the company. Perhaps they will be able to diversify, but their recent actions show both that they deeply misunderstand their product and also that they lack good ideas about how to progress and evolve as an organisation. Fuck Google. All my homies hate Google.

SheDiceToday,

The hardest part of ‘de-googling’ is the stranglehold it has on email. Between them and microsoft, I’ve only seen a few companies (small to medium size) that don’t use one of those two as the email. It’s mind-boggling. If either of them ever got testy, they could bring entire sectors down just by using the information stored in emails on.

ArtVandelay,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

Unchecked capitalism is a real motherfucker ain’t it?

LarkinDePark,

See also checked capitalism.

rob299, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome

People all this stress can be avoided if more channels upload videos on peertube. U block origin wouldnt even be needed as generally no ads are on peertube.

corbin, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome

This article is really wrong, wow. There is already a Manifest V3-compliant version of uBlock Origin, it’s discussed in this thread: github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338

I don’t know if it’s stated definitively anywhere, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to roll out that different version to Chrome users as an update to the existing extension. It’s going to be slightly worse because MV3 is still missing some API features.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

that version works but it’s always been a lite version compared to the standard ublock origin with far less capabilities and features.

corbin,

Right, my point was just that the article is wrong/clickbait. The changes won’t “disable uBlock Origin” or “essentially kill off uBlock Origin”.

Phrodo_00,

The V3 version of ublock should really use a different name to make it clear it doesn’t have the same capabilities as in V2/Firefox. Maybe something like UBlock use-firefox-instead.

Sotuanduso, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

Decided to test it out myself on Firefox and Edge. Didn’t get the delay, but did get ads both times because I don’t have adblockers set up over there. The second was unskippable. Ugh.

online,

I tested it in Firefox InPrivate, Edge, Brave, and Chrome and all are identical for me. I think they just fucked up YouTube. 😂

Sotuanduso,

Could also just be a rolling release.

sirdorius, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome

Does this apply to all Chromium based browsers? I would like to switch to Firefox, but the touchscreen scroll there is terrible, and that is 90% of what I do in a browser.

mrbubblesort,
@mrbubblesort@kbin.social avatar

yes it does.

what trouble are you having with FF's scroll? it's worked perfectly fine on every device I've ever seen, you sure it's not a problem with your setup?

sirdorius, (edited )

The deceleration is way too low and it’s hard to get it to focus where I want on the page fast. The deceleration is inconsistent between touchscreen and touchpad, which works fine. I tried looking around for configurations for it but couldn’t find any. Touchscreen support in Chrome is just generally better

madis,

Vivaldi and Brave are planning to extend the deadline of MV2 by some extent, not sure if it means just like the enterprise policy or will they keep the implementation in code for longer.

boomzilla,

Vivaldi is my daily driver. It has the best tab-management, dark website-mode (hidden function), build-in tracker, pop-up & ad-blocker, RSS-Reader, e-mail client, site-hibernation and much more. My hope is that the build-in protection will suffice when ublock origin will stop functioning. I can’t use any other browser anymore.

joenforcer,

Vivaldi is my daily driver. It has the best tab-management, dark website-mode (hidden function), build-in tracker, pop-up & ad-blocker, RSS-Reader, e-mail client, site-hibernation and much more.

You forgot excessive RAM usage 🤮

boomzilla,

Checked with htop:

Firefox - no tabs open, no extensions: 365MB

Chromium - no tabs open, no extensions: 358MB

qutebrowser - 1 tab open, no extensions: 400MB

Vivaldi - 3 tabs open and 70 tabs sleeping in 5 workspaces, built in ad- and track-blocker enabled + 2 extensions: 450MB

I can spare that 50MB from my more than enough mem for all the extra quality of life functions no other browser offers.

Bitrot,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They both get their extensions from the Chrome Web Store. It’s going to be a lot like when Mozilla deprecated their old extensions and some forks continued support for them, great except very few people are going to continue to develop those extensions.

TrickDacy,

Welp a very nuanced slight difference would obviously need to be avoided at the expense of literally ruining every web page with a shit ton of ads. That’s just a fact!

sirdorius,

This is not a slight nuance, it literally makes touchscreen unusable for me. Touchscreen really helps with carpal tunnel and RSI, which is more important to me than an ideological war against Google.

TrickDacy,

You will have to experience a fuck ton of ads that literally make your experience less smooth. The very thing you were talking about.

But yeah go ahead and imply all I care about here is sticking it to Google.

netchami, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

Use Invidious or Piped in combination with LibRedirect in order to automatically redirect all YouTube links to Invidious or Piped.

OrkneyKomodo, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome
@OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Amazing how versioning can give an air of legitimacy through the illusion of progress.

cupcakezealot, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

idk what people say but webextensions were a mistake.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Allowing any deranged “security” zealot into FOSS community and projects is a mistake. Boycott GrapheneOS, boycott Brad Spengler, boycott grsecurity, boycott clowns like madaidan, boycott the ones that go around shitting on F-Droid and promote Google Play Store in the same breath.

JGrffn,

Why boycott GrapheneOS? I feel a bit OOTL here, I only know the drama with the ex-lead dev, but I understand that the project as a whole is your best bet at a mobile experience that you control. Am I missing something?

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

old.reddit.com/…/writeup_criticism_of_rprivacygui…

This spans 4 years of privacy community, and explains how the security cult that tries to hack through FOSS community works. If you take just 1-2 hours to go through every piece of information and evidence here, you will no longer be OOTL. I am a true privacy militant.

The 5th year aka last year is here, but it is more focused on the key entity, since rest of the people are no longer as active, and this is the last big hurdle. old.reddit.com/…/grapheneos_corporate_foss_loving…

I wrote and covered all of this for years to hope people listen to one reasonable privacy person that’s not a conspiratorial nutjob.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

TBF I’ve seen a rare behavior in FF that makes some websites load slowly for no good reason (not an adblock thing). Anticompetitive either way but Google could be exploiting this bug.

ColonelPanic,

I think you give them too much credit. From what I’ve seen, it’s just a setTimeout call for 5 seconds if you’re on Firefox, which is similar to what all those shady cookie popups from TrustArc do if you click “Reject all”.

Kit,

This happens all the time to me on Android. Sites, especially Google searches, sometimes take 30 seconds to 2 minutes to load. It’s frustrating when I’m in a rush.

kokesh, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome
@kokesh@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve disabled chrome on all my devices some time ago, so this is fine.

Endorkend, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users
@Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

I suspect this is less of a slowdown and more of a "we're trying to detect adblockers and in Chrome we can do most of this check on the application level which is fast, while on Firefox we have to do it the extra slow way and we CBA to optimize any of it because the delay is to our advantage."

scroll_responsibly,
@scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Nope, in the article it shows a hard coded 5 second delay.

Jako301,

It’s a standard timeout function without any context. Most likely thing is that it tries to load an ad and if that doesn’t work in these 5 seconds, then the anti adblock popup is displayed. If you don’t use an adblock, the site loads instantly cause the ad is detected. If you use ublock, you see neither the ad nor the popup, so everything that’s left is a 5 seconds timeout.

While it definitely is shady coding, it’s an anti adblock “feature” caused by incompetent design and not an anti Firefox thing.

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

It might be an anti Adblock feature caused by incompetent design, and it might be an anti Firefox thing. Or it might be something else altogether or some mixed version of the above. You don’t know, neither does anyone else.

Jako301,

Exactly, no one knows, but here we are on the 7th article saying Google is slowing down Firefox on purpose. That’s the least likely option by far. That would get them into multiple anti consumer and anti monopoly lawsuits while probably breaching their contract with FF at the same time. Alphabets board of advisors isn’t run by Elon musk, they know pretty much what they can get away with and wouldn’t be stupid enough to try something this big while they are already beeing monitored by the EU.

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

The articles clearly say that the cause is unclear and that it’s an ongoing controversy. If you had read the one for this thread you’d see that. They were very transparent about that.

You are the one here saying it’s definitely one way and not another.

it’s an anti adblock “feature” caused by incompetent design and not an anti Firefox thing.

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Not quite in practice. I can’t say what they are doing, but I can say, there are 3 main web addresses that must be enabled in a whitelist firewall to view YT. If these are white listed, videos will load and play but half the time the connection is terrible. However, I never see a warning message about an ad blocker. They know the difference somehow. I don’t need to run an ad blocker because I run the ultimate undesired web connection blocker. They simply manipulate my connection and it impacts things on my network even when I am no longer connected to the internet at the router by removing the wired connection. (hard booting my server/router/devices solves the problem)

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

I’m honestly not willing to give them that much benefit of the doubt at this stage. But I also acknowledge we don’t have concrete evidence of deliberate sabotage.

aegisgfx877,
@aegisgfx877@kbin.social avatar

If thats the case then they still are not able to do it even with the delay cuz they havent blocked me yet

Anonymouse, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

I post videos a few times a year to share events with family. I just posted a few yesterday. I can’t in good faith continue to post to YT and encourage my family to use it as the platform declares war on their users.

But what else is there that allows me to post videos for free and my family can just watch them without having to install a new app, register for yet another service or configure some obscure plug in?

sheepishly,
@sheepishly@kbin.social avatar

There's other services, but they're populated largely by the sort of people Youtube has kicked off entirely, which some people don't like.

unsaid0415,

Hop on a peertube instance. There are ones made by normal people, eg. urbanists.video (this one probably won’t accept your registration, but just showcasing).

If you heavily compress your videos or if they’re not very long, you could also upload a .mp4 file to a file host or just your own website (johndoe.com/myvid.mp4). Then the browser would just download and play the .mp4 file.

triplenadir,
@triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml avatar

no there is no (good) option that doesn’t involve you signing up for an account. but that seems like a weird requirement; you were willing to sign up for youtube?

jjjalljs,

You could post the video to Dropbox or something? They might have to download the full video before playback, but i wouldn’t be surprised if some file sharing services are smart enough to stream video.

Rentlar,

Odysee fits the bill but be warned there are some conspiracy theorists nuts and nerds on there.

shiveyarbles, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome

Google keeps improving chrome /s

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