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cupcakezealot, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

idk what people say but webextensions were a mistake.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Allowing any deranged “security” zealot into FOSS community and projects is a mistake. Boycott GrapheneOS, boycott Brad Spengler, boycott grsecurity, boycott clowns like madaidan, boycott the ones that go around shitting on F-Droid and promote Google Play Store in the same breath.

JGrffn,

Why boycott GrapheneOS? I feel a bit OOTL here, I only know the drama with the ex-lead dev, but I understand that the project as a whole is your best bet at a mobile experience that you control. Am I missing something?

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

old.reddit.com/…/writeup_criticism_of_rprivacygui…

This spans 4 years of privacy community, and explains how the security cult that tries to hack through FOSS community works. If you take just 1-2 hours to go through every piece of information and evidence here, you will no longer be OOTL. I am a true privacy militant.

The 5th year aka last year is here, but it is more focused on the key entity, since rest of the people are no longer as active, and this is the last big hurdle. old.reddit.com/…/grapheneos_corporate_foss_loving…

I wrote and covered all of this for years to hope people listen to one reasonable privacy person that’s not a conspiratorial nutjob.

red, (edited ) to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome

Didn’t expect the day to come when I can no longer use Chromium based browsers.

Oh well, anyway.

Endorkend, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users
@Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

I suspect this is less of a slowdown and more of a "we're trying to detect adblockers and in Chrome we can do most of this check on the application level which is fast, while on Firefox we have to do it the extra slow way and we CBA to optimize any of it because the delay is to our advantage."

scroll_responsibly,
@scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Nope, in the article it shows a hard coded 5 second delay.

Jako301,

It’s a standard timeout function without any context. Most likely thing is that it tries to load an ad and if that doesn’t work in these 5 seconds, then the anti adblock popup is displayed. If you don’t use an adblock, the site loads instantly cause the ad is detected. If you use ublock, you see neither the ad nor the popup, so everything that’s left is a 5 seconds timeout.

While it definitely is shady coding, it’s an anti adblock “feature” caused by incompetent design and not an anti Firefox thing.

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

It might be an anti Adblock feature caused by incompetent design, and it might be an anti Firefox thing. Or it might be something else altogether or some mixed version of the above. You don’t know, neither does anyone else.

Jako301,

Exactly, no one knows, but here we are on the 7th article saying Google is slowing down Firefox on purpose. That’s the least likely option by far. That would get them into multiple anti consumer and anti monopoly lawsuits while probably breaching their contract with FF at the same time. Alphabets board of advisors isn’t run by Elon musk, they know pretty much what they can get away with and wouldn’t be stupid enough to try something this big while they are already beeing monitored by the EU.

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

The articles clearly say that the cause is unclear and that it’s an ongoing controversy. If you had read the one for this thread you’d see that. They were very transparent about that.

You are the one here saying it’s definitely one way and not another.

it’s an anti adblock “feature” caused by incompetent design and not an anti Firefox thing.

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Not quite in practice. I can’t say what they are doing, but I can say, there are 3 main web addresses that must be enabled in a whitelist firewall to view YT. If these are white listed, videos will load and play but half the time the connection is terrible. However, I never see a warning message about an ad blocker. They know the difference somehow. I don’t need to run an ad blocker because I run the ultimate undesired web connection blocker. They simply manipulate my connection and it impacts things on my network even when I am no longer connected to the internet at the router by removing the wired connection. (hard booting my server/router/devices solves the problem)

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

I’m honestly not willing to give them that much benefit of the doubt at this stage. But I also acknowledge we don’t have concrete evidence of deliberate sabotage.

aegisgfx877,
@aegisgfx877@kbin.social avatar

If thats the case then they still are not able to do it even with the delay cuz they havent blocked me yet

Anonymouse, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

I post videos a few times a year to share events with family. I just posted a few yesterday. I can’t in good faith continue to post to YT and encourage my family to use it as the platform declares war on their users.

But what else is there that allows me to post videos for free and my family can just watch them without having to install a new app, register for yet another service or configure some obscure plug in?

sheepishly,
@sheepishly@kbin.social avatar

There's other services, but they're populated largely by the sort of people Youtube has kicked off entirely, which some people don't like.

unsaid0415,

Hop on a peertube instance. There are ones made by normal people, eg. urbanists.video (this one probably won’t accept your registration, but just showcasing).

If you heavily compress your videos or if they’re not very long, you could also upload a .mp4 file to a file host or just your own website (johndoe.com/myvid.mp4). Then the browser would just download and play the .mp4 file.

triplenadir,
@triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml avatar

no there is no (good) option that doesn’t involve you signing up for an account. but that seems like a weird requirement; you were willing to sign up for youtube?

jjjalljs,

You could post the video to Dropbox or something? They might have to download the full video before playback, but i wouldn’t be surprised if some file sharing services are smart enough to stream video.

Rentlar,

Odysee fits the bill but be warned there are some conspiracy theorists nuts and nerds on there.

corbin, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome

This article is really wrong, wow. There is already a Manifest V3-compliant version of uBlock Origin, it’s discussed in this thread: github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338

I don’t know if it’s stated definitively anywhere, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to roll out that different version to Chrome users as an update to the existing extension. It’s going to be slightly worse because MV3 is still missing some API features.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

that version works but it’s always been a lite version compared to the standard ublock origin with far less capabilities and features.

corbin,

Right, my point was just that the article is wrong/clickbait. The changes won’t “disable uBlock Origin” or “essentially kill off uBlock Origin”.

Phrodo_00,

The V3 version of ublock should really use a different name to make it clear it doesn’t have the same capabilities as in V2/Firefox. Maybe something like UBlock use-firefox-instead.

teft, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users
@teft@startrek.website avatar

The delay also does not trigger just once; it is reportedly triggered every time YouTube links are opened in a new tab.

This part got me yesterday as I was listening to music. I loaded a new video in a tab and the other tab waited 5 seconds. I thought I had paused it or something but nope, every time you load a new tab it delays all the other tabs by 5 seconds.

Wes_Dev,

This is the exact reason I don’t trust anything hosted online. If it’s something I want to enjoy more than once, I download it.

Companies hosting things online tend to become authoritarian dictators in all but name, which is their right as they own the services and hardware. But it almost always makes the end user experience shitty and overly complicated, or filled with spyware, or requires you give away your rights to privacy or lawsuit, etc…

So if there’s a song or something that I like online, I’m downloading that and keeping it on my computer to listen to whenever I feel like it. I don’t have the time or energy to play games with these greedy ass corporations.

And the ironic part is, that while they would absolutely froth the mouth about me doing this, they’re the ones that drove me to it. It feels like an emotionally abusive relationship, are they keep making our just a man some gaslighting me, then getting angry when I fight back or tell them no.

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

I would at least partially challenge they own the service and hardware if only because they are using taxpayer funded internet infrastructure.

Wes_Dev,

Hm.

I think you probably have a point there. Not sure about the details and nuance, 'cause I’m not that smart, but there is something there.

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

It’s definitely nuanced and like I said it’s sort of an “ehhh kinda” statement haha so your pause is warranted

Wes_Dev,

Oh, dang, that was civil and anticlimactic of us. Um…

I mean:

How dare you! This is the internet. You’re supposed to immediately call me Hitler for…reasons. This slight shall not stand. Expect a strongly worded letter from my emissary forthwith. Good day!

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

GOOD DAY

ElleChaise,

It's pretty simple actually. Big companies took billions upon billions of dollars in federal subsidies and grants handed out to them via taxation of the public, then when they got just about done building the thing they spent all our money on, they erected a nice shiny gate at the front and charged us admission. But not before bribing donating to criminals politicians to ensure zero competition or risk to their non-investment. It's rampant capitalism defined.

GreenMario, to technology in Google's Manifest V3 changes will soon disable uBlock Origin on Chrome

Enshitification continues.

The_Picard_Maneuver, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Is this arguably anticompetitive and illegal?

schwim,
@schwim@reddthat.com avatar

Nobody can even state that it’s actually happening “for competitive browsers” as even Chrome users are reporting an unexplained lag/slowdown. At this point, it’s just wild speculation and bandwagoning.

Ottomateeverything,

There’s been multiple posts pointing to some possibly “wait for ads to finish loading” type code. It’s quite possible that it’s just bugged in Firefox etc since browsers are horrendously inconsistent etc.

But that doesn’t make a cool headline so instead the “it’s Google being evil” story is the popular one.

sibachian,
@sibachian@lemmy.ml avatar

it was already made public in the lawsuit some weeks ago that they are indeed slowing down youtube for firefox.

phillaholic,

Link?

Ottomateeverything, (edited )

Source?

I’ve read a lot on this and never saw any conclusive claim here.

There were claims many years ago by Mozilla about this, and it had to do with slow APIs in Mozilla that YouTube was using…

There’s also been many known performance issues in a lot of the APIs/libraries Google/YouTube use on Mozilla for many years. And Mozilla just hasn’t been able to keep up.

I don’t see anything about this in recent history, because everything is just floods of people complaining about this round, with still no conclusive evidence that this is happening intentionally. YouTube is currently on a ad-block-blocker crusade and their code keeps changing and there’s nothing to conclusively indicate that this is malice and not just a bug in the way Mozilla performs.

So as much as everyone seems happy to burn the witch because of poor performance, I’m not ready to jump to that conclusion until there’s actually evidence of this being intentional. Especially when this smells a lot like a long standing different problem. “Someone said they are” is not going to convince me. Especially if you can’t even point to that someone saying that thing.

LoafyLemon,

You absolutely can tell what's happening by reading the source code. They are using a listener and a delay for when ontimeupdate promise is not met, which timeouts the entire connection for 5 full seconds.

https://pastebin.com/TqjzbqQE

schwim,
@schwim@reddthat.com avatar

I’m sorry but I don’t see how that check is browser-specific. Is that part happening on the browser side?

PoliticalAgitator,

They don’t need to put incriminating “if Firefox” statements in their code – the initial page request would have included the user agent and it would be trivial to serve different JavaScript based on what it said.

phx,

Easy enough to test though. Load the page with a UA changer and see if it still shows up when Firefox pretends to be Chrome

TastehWaffleZ,

The video in the linked article does just that. The page takes 5 seconds to load the video, the user changes the UA, they refresh the page and suddenly the video loads instantly. I would have liked to see them change the UA back to Firefox to prove it’s not some weird caching issue though

phx,

Yeah, and also Edge or an older version of Chrome etc just to be sure.

nixcamic,

I guess his question is “is that happening?”

Karyoplasma,

Well, at least I learned that javascript understands exponential notation. I never even bothered to try that lol

257m,

Can I have ublock block that? It seems simple enough to extract that code out.

BolexForSoup, (edited )
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

It’s not wild speculation as there is compelling, if incomplete, evidence. And to describe everyone’s reaction as “bandwagoning” is ridiculous. Firefox and Mullvad are my daily drivers. This directly impacts me. The fediverse is going to have a disproportionate number of non-chrome users.

schwim,
@schwim@reddthat.com avatar

I also use FF solely and have no slowdowns on YT. I guess they like my copy of the browser.

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

I’ve duplicated it on 4 machines across 3 OS’s (windows 11, macOS, steamOS). Glad you got lucky. I’m sure you’re also familiar with A/B testing but if not I’m happy to explain it.

It is absolutely possible there is a reasonable explanation but for you to say 1) nothing is happening and 2) it’s “bandwagoning” is, again, ridiculous. Especially if your evidence is “well mine is fine,” which is not acceptable troubleshooting procedure.

Karyoplasma,

Not all regions are served with the same scripts. That’s why the ad-block pop-up was shown for some users but not for others or at a later time for others. This also affected the update cycle of those anti-adblock scripts.

The reason for that is quite simple. New stuff is rolled out to only some users at first as some sort of beta testing procedure. If many people complain about functionality issues and all of those have the new version of the script, Google knows there is something wrong with it.

Aradina,

“works fine on my machine lol” is unhelpful and useless.

It’s very well known that Google makes heavy use of a/b testing. They did it with the adblock block and they’re doing it with this

schwim,
@schwim@reddthat.com avatar

“It happens all the time” and “they always do *” is also comically unhelpful and useless. I’m getting a pot/kettle vibe from those that seem to take offense at my comment.

authed,

Where’s the proof? Note: I didn’t read the article

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

Then read it?

authed,

no thanks… I havent had any issues… been using firefox since v1.0

BolexForSoup, (edited )
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

I don’t really understand what you’re trying to do lol

authed,

Ok

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

I mean you’re saying you want proof, don’t read the article, then say you don’t care because it works for you. Do you not understand why that’s a little perplexing? Anyway, I’ve said my piece. I don’t imagine it will be a very productive discussion. Have a good week.

rbits,

Then why did you ask for proof lol

SheeEttin,

Don’t worry, there isn’t proof in the article either. There’s a snippet of code out of context, and a video that, while it shows a loading delay, doesn’t show the code being executed.

slackassassin,

Ya. This whole thing is very silly, and it’s really sad how little critical thinking is going on here.

4lan,

How short are our attention spans that we make judgments based on things we didn’t read?

Get off TikTok It’s breaking your brain

You can literally see it for yourself. Download Firefox, download Chrome. It will literally take you 5 minutes to test this out

authed,

Been using Firefox since v1

floofloof, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

If it’s happening it’s not doing so for everyone. I use Firefox and I have never seen this delay.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

I haven’t experienced it either, but Google also typically rolls out changes in waves. They rarely just push to prod and call it a day. They push changes in waves, so they can pull the update or make adjustments if the early waves have issues.

jaykay,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

They do it so we gaslight the people that have it and then it’s too late to do anything when everyone has it lol

Godnroc,

Really? I switched from Edge to Firefox recently and YouTube slowed to the point it takes minutes to load the home page and several refreshes. Actually, most Google pages, but YouTube is the one I really use these days.

The videos themselves load fine, and of course every other website loads fine at the same time, but YouTube is nearly unusable if you can’t even get to the video in the first place.

Deebster, (edited )
@Deebster@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d seen it in my Firefox/Win10 + uBlockO setup. I just used yt-dlp and then a uBlock “quick fixes” update sorted it.

digdilem,

Same.

The anti-adblock warnings only lasted a few days for me too, not seen them for a couple of weeks now.

MudMan, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Incidentally, I dropped Youtube's web app like a rock when they started messing with adblockers and today they emailed me to say they're cutting down features in my account because "I don't have enough of a history".

I swear, these decaying tech firms just don't get the value of not appearing to be flailing in desperation.

sadreality,

hey're cutting down features in my account because "I don't have enough of a history".

any idea what this actually means?

What features are they cutting down?

Is this a free account?

e-ratic,
@e-ratic@kbin.social avatar

I had the same email, it's creator-related features. So if you don't produce content it shouldn't affect anything

sour,
@sour@kbin.social avatar

they turn off video recommendations if your watch history isn’t on

jjjalljs,

This is a plus for me. I don’t want them to recommend me anything. I don’t trust them not to recommend me stuff that’s going to piss me off.

floofloof,

Their recommendations engine seems to stuck on “50 more of exactly the last thing you watched, plus a dash of right-wing conspiracy nonsense.”

MudMan,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

Turns out when you stop using it the recommendations become more and more unhinged and take on a slight pleading tone.

It's weird and kinda satisfying to watch, honestly.

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

For me it’s "oh? You really like this creator? Be careful not to binge their backlog all at once! I think you’ve had enough. Let me hide the rest of their content for you so you’re not tempted

Hey, how about this news show where the guys stand instead of sitting, and wear normal clothes? They still awkwardly read off a teleprompter and have a very shallow understanding of the topics, but come on, you should watch them again. I know their shrill, forced, voices make you cringe and exit the video as fast as you can, but let me put that up next on auto play for you again

TheFriendlyArtificer,

Once I made the mistake of looking up how to change the oil on my Kawasaki Vulcan without being in incognito. Now half of my recommendations are how to perform maintenance on motorcycles that I’ll never own. And ads for Harley Davidson. A company whose business model is converting gasoline into noise.

I just use youtube-dl now and have it go to my NAS. It’s not easier then going to the website, per se. But now the video lives on my storage and it won’t go away after a corporation’s billionth DMCA claim that hour.

Genuinely wish I had done this a decade ago on my favorite articles. Link rot is getting worse and worse and YouTube is the absolute worst.

scytale,

I received the same notification on my artist account. I can’t remember everything, but it was something like daily upload limits for videos and shorts and other creator related stuff. I don’t think there’s anything related to just basic usage features.

MudMan,
@MudMan@kbin.social avatar

They take away the ability to include links in video descriptions. That's still not related to watching videos, but it seems like a legit eff you to small content creators.

scytale,

Oh yeah I forgot about that. That’s definitely a big issue. I think you can’t also pin comments.

frankgrimeszz, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

That’s been the case since Chrome was released.

max, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

That’s odd

JaxiiRuff, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users
@JaxiiRuff@pawb.social avatar

Been like this for a long time now. Both YT and YT Music are unusable on desktop due to the lag.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Eh, works fine for me. I don’t watch a ton of YouTube, but I haven’t noticed any real issues, and I use an ad blocker.

Something_Complex, (edited ) to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users

It it legal? I remember when China’s tech giants started infighting and the party ended up dividing them and phorbiding them to do so.

They where creating tech exclusive for their devices and internally block all other out.

I just figured if we aren’t doing it here there should be a reason. (Apple appart)

Edit:guys what I’m saying matters the orthographic mistakes can be easily attribute to my lack of interest in writing the proper queen’s English when any shit will do

pensivepangolin,

I’m sorry to be the spelling guy but it’s “forbid” not “phorbid”

Aurenkin,

Do you have poor spelling fobia?

fujiwood,

I’m sorry to be the spelling guy but it’s “phobia” not “fobia”

BaroqueInMind,
@BaroqueInMind@kbin.social avatar

Woosh goes the joke over your head. ✈️

ThePantser,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

I think they got it and didn’t give a phuck.

fujiwood,

Na, I understood the joke just fine. If you were here when I replied my joke to the joke, you would know that the post I replied to had negative votes until I made my joke. Then everyone else realized that they were making a joke and started giving them upvotes. Have a good day.

thanks_shakey_snake,

Keep phighting the good phight ✊

Aurenkin,

iwouldfightforyou.jpg

floofloof,

I’m sorry to be the spelling guy but it’s “Whoosh” knot “Woosh”

Something_Complex,

Hahaha ce la vi

Dirk, to technology in YouTube is reportedly slowing down videos for Firefox users
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Again? I remember they did this years ago when releasing Chrome.

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