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Vinegar, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System
@Vinegar@kbin.social avatar

The 9to5 article is poorly written. In the first paragraph 9to5 says a new window system is "scheduled to replace" the current one, but this is not true. The cited blog post explicitly says "There’s no timeline or roadmap at this stage". The Gnome developers are merely experimenting with a new window management system and at this early stage it's impossible to know what the finished product may look like if these experiments go anywhere at all.

Here's a link to the original blog post where Gnome developer Tobias Bernard explains their dissatisfaction with existing window management systems and discusses the techinical challeneges developers face.

Xttweaponttx,

Thanks!

hglman,

That blog post is much, much better. That’s a reasonably exciting system; I hope they make it work.

donuts, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System
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This looks super promising to me, as it seems to blend the best of both tiling and floating windows. I hope they manage to work this in to future versions of Gnome.

humanplayer2,
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Indeed! It might be a good way to sneak tiling into the workflow of users that wouldn’t actively set to using it.

mfn, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System
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Innovations are pretty rare in the desktop space but this looks like a really good innovation if implemented bug free.

SoNick, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System

Again? Wasn't Gnome3 bad enough?

superkret,

Gnome3 is great if you don’t expect it to look and behave like Windows (there’s KDE for that).
Gnome is meant to be controlled with the keyboard and a touchpad, without having to memorize shortcut combos or complicated gestures.
And it works perfectly.

antony,

Whilst gnome 3 wasn’t for we it did have charm and I prefer it over Windows or KDE. I’m using xfce4, and really like Window Maker and CDE, but I get why these wouldn’t work well on ultra wide displays. It’s all personal preference and finding what works, which is part of my love for Linux.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Stop living in 2015. GNOME is by far the most polished DE and most extensive with a great extension system.

SoNick,

That's a good one! Gnome is the Windows 8 of the Linux world, and the devs tend to intentionally break the extension system between major releases. It's truly baffling how the group that made Gnome 2.x continue to hate most of the Linux userbase so much.

TheAnonymouseJoker, (edited )
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

I do not know if they intentionally break things, that is far fetched and almost conspiratorial. GNOME is more like Windows 7 than 8. I would argue KDE is the Windows 8/10. If you think GNOME hates Linux userbase, then your way of thinking is wrong. There is no DE even half as polished as GNOME, and their support for Wayland is incredible. And the essential extensions you would use are never broken.

You can never make any DE work as well as this.https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5cb7bc48-3345-473e-8128-a5f7f7ce050b.jpeg

My GNOME extensions:https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a5734f77-a3cb-475f-ab5e-650e03fd695d.png

timbuck2themoon,

Jesus these comments are so worthless. If you don’t like it, just stfu. I notice there is rarely any bad mouthing on KDE or xfce or whatever posts but of course someone does about gnome.

Again, get a life and just ignore a DE you don’t like.

Horsey, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System

We’re the little video clips not working for anyone else?

zero_iq,

Worked fine for me (firefox mobile).

dnzm,
@dnzm@feddit.nl avatar

Funny, that, didn’t work for me on ff/Android.

Edit: on reload, it suddenly did. 🤷‍♂️

1984, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System
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I saw this and I really like that they are trying to improve it and innovate. Nothing has happened for a long time in the desktop innovation area since the web took over.

Reemerge1511, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System

I think this looks amazing. I do like the behaviour of tiling WMs, but having a DE is too comfy for me to give up. This could possibly bring the bestof both worlds.

Knusper,

There are already ways to have tiling and a DE.

On GNOME, there’s PaperWM, although it’s not quite traditional tiling either.

On KDE Plasma 5.27+, you can use Polonium. For versions before 5.27, Bismuth.

And on Xfce or LXQt, it’s often possible to use them with a traditional tiling WM, like i3wm, bspwm etc…

sapo,
@sapo@beehaw.org avatar

I’ve been using Krohnkite on KDE. Are those you mentioned better?

Knusper,

Krohnkite went unmaintained a while ago, which is when Bismuth forked from it. So, Bismuth is basically a straight upgrade. The dev implemented tons of features, which you may or may not need, but I think, there were also some fixes for stability and Plasma version compatibility.

Polonium came about, because Plasma 5.27 introduced a (manual) tiling system of its own, which partially broke Bismuth, but also meant it made sense to develop a new KWinScript, which makes use of this native system.
As such, it is a step back from Bismuth. I think, it’s roughly comparable to Krohnkite in terms of features now, but still a very young project, so not as stable yet…

sapo,
@sapo@beehaw.org avatar

Interesting! Krohnkite still works so well for my use case that I didn’t even realize it was unmantained. I’ll give those two a shot!

20gramsWrench,

I’ve tried all 3 and krohnkite felt like the more polished, can’t tell you which doesn’t do what but the others felt a bit clunky in the way they handled resizes and such

JuvenoiaAgent,
@JuvenoiaAgent@lemmy.ca avatar

There’s also Forge for GNOME.

eclipse,

Try out Pop Shell. Its works very well on my Fedora installs.

theDodosConundrum,

Seconding Pop Shell. Very simple install via Gnome extension and it works wonderfully on my daily driver Ubuntu install.

nik282000,
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Chiming in with another great alternative, Tactile lets you tile windows and stack at the same time. Between the Tactile hotkeys, Alt+Tab and Alt+~ I never need to use the mouse for window manipulation anymore.

tombuben,

I really can’t stress how good PaperWM is in combination with a touchpad. I wouldn’t recommend it at all on a mouse-only environment, but when you can use multitouch gestures to scroll through the workspace it works really well.

humanplayer2,
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You could try Pop!_OS. There you get the full DE, plus tiling implemented by a GNOME extension. You can also just install that extension, of course, or another.

crow, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System

I thought this meant they were developing their own alternative to x11 & Wayland. It’s just how windows are arranged on the desktop.

fourstepper, to linux in GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System

I really enjoy how GNOME handles windows currently already.

Between having the ability to move and resize windows with Super + (mouse left|right), switching between windows of the same application with Super + backtick, workspaces and Super + type to search, there is very little to desire.

Unlike tiling VMs, this makes sense out of the box for 99% of the apps out there while providing a really quick way to get where you need quickly.

Onionizer,

Even better are the three-finger swipe gestures on the laptop trackpad

authed, to opensource in Shotwell 0.32.2 Image Viewer Adds Support for HEIF Files with .HIF Extension

Shotwell is my favorite. But I have to admit that I never heard of this image format

shreddy_scientist,
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

Some Sony and Canon camera’s save in .hif as it’s better quality than JPEG while requiring less space. It can also be used for a sequence of images, audio, & video. So makes sense Shotwell added .hif functionality as it’s quite versatile.

aaronbieber, to opensource in Inkscape 1.3 Open-Source SVG Editor is Out with New Shape Builder Tool + Many Other Changes
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I’m happy to see Inkscape continue to get big updates!

I recently got a pen plotter and Inkscape is the main way anyone feeds drawings into these things so it’s good to know it’s being looked after.

wagesj45, to opensource in LibreOffice 7.5.5 Open-Source Office Suite Released with 70 Bug Fixes
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I don't have a quality comment, just wanted to say I fuckin' love LibreOffice. Have used it or its predecessor since I was in high school at the turn of the century. Lord that makes me sound old. I think LibreOffice actually forked when I was in college, so mid 2000's.

Anyway, great software. Highly recommend. 10/10.

shreddy_scientist,
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

Use edit & retract the first part of the first sentence! There’s quality simply in the extent of time it’s been a workable alternative for ya!

DuckInACan, to linux in LibreOffice 7.5.5 Open-Source Office Suite Released with 70 Bug Fixes

Are 70 bugfixes generally many bugfixes? (Just asking for a friend)

lfr1138, to linux in VirtualBox 7.0.10 Released with Initial Support for Linux Kernels 6.4 and 6.5

I recently ported my windoze 10 vm to kvm/virt-manager from virtualbox and don’t intend to go back. I used to use virtualbox because it was easy to deal with, but that advantage has all but disappeared.

wildbus8979, to linux in VirtualBox 7.0.10 Released with Initial Support for Linux Kernels 6.4 and 6.5

It’s 2023 and it’s been pretty much a decade since I’ve stopped understanding why people use VirtualBox on Linux.

oshitwaddup,

Does it even support wayland yet?

MrShelbySan,
@MrShelbySan@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’ve been out of the loop about Linux and I’ll be switching back to it this weekend. What’s the best way to run VMs on Linux now (that supports Wayland)?

Damage,

And USB hotplug?

wildbus8979,

Same as it always has been, KVM/Qemu/Libvirt…

OR3X,

I assume all the “real Linux pros” are using qemu, which is a real pita if you want to do anything beyond creating a basic VM.

wildbus8979,
OR3X,

Well, I guess I’ll eat my words. This is much better than the last time I messed around with it.

wildbus8979,

It’s been around since 2009 ;)

Spectacle8011,
@Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

GNOME Boxes is actually simpler than Virtualbox, in my opinion, with all the options you’ll need. It even lets you install a variety of ISOs straight from the interface, without needing to go out to the web. Of course, if you’re installing Windows, you need to supply your own ISO file.

Virt-Manager can be unintuitive but it’s plenty capable.

wildbus8979,

Same as it always has been… KVM/Qemu/libvirt.

rhys,
@rhys@rhys.wtf avatar

@MrShelbySan @wildbus8979 You pretty much always want to be using KVM. QEmu, VMM, VirtualBox, Gnome Boxes, and some other apps all support it. The rest is just down to what app/tools you prefer.

MrShelbySan,
@MrShelbySan@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Noted. I’ve heard of QEMU but I never tried to get it working before. I’ll use that from now on.

_spiffy,
@_spiffy@lemmy.ca avatar

I use a virtualbox vm for work. Linux desktop runs a windows VM with Windows 10 and all my work stuff on it. I love it, its been very reliable. Its mostly simple though, it doesn’t need to be super speedy, just needs to house my orgs mandatory vpn and av so I can connect to my work stuff.

wildbus8979,

Pretty sure something built into the kernel, used by all major cloud providers is gonna be more reliable than some dodgy DKMS driver…

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