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Lojcs, to linux in Debian Systems Now Patched Against "Downfall" and "INCEPTION" CPU Flaws

According to amd only epic cpus benefit from the standalone microcode update. All others need an updated bios with the new microcode. Zen 1 and zen 2 don’t need microcode updates. Also having the new microcode doesn’t mitigate the vulernability on its own as far as I can tell, the kernel needs to be the one doing the mitigation.

saint, to linux in Debian Systems Now Patched Against "Downfall" and "INCEPTION" CPU Flaws
@saint@group.lt avatar

Any observed impact to performance?

shreddy_scientist, (edited )
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s anticipated to slow things down unfortunately

taanegl,

Seems like a lot of these “performance enhancing features” simply ignored security principles or tried to sidestep them, only for the features to introduce glaring security hole in the overall ISA, forcing people to then sidestep the supposed performance features so that it never mattered to begin with.

Are Intel, AMD and others pulling a fast one on us for the sake of gaining positive benchmarks?

yum13241,

If they were held liable, CPU manufacturers wouldn’t use these crappy hacks to increase performance, which helps their bottom line. Now I’m a cynic, so I’ll say that they might’ve done this on purpose.

projectdp, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Linux Kernel 6.4

How does the immutability come into play with Nitrux vs, say NixOS?

s20, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Linux Kernel 6.4

I went to DL it and try it out, and… dude, I hate Sourceforge. I know how privileged this sounds, but I’m not spending a half hour DLing something that I can DL in a minute and a half somewhere else.

Anybody got a line on a torrent?

railsdev, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Linux Kernel 6.4

That headline is confusing; I thought it was saying it was “out-powered” by Linux Kernel 6.4 with bad grammar. A comma would’ve helped.

pastermil,

Typical generic Linux blog…

probably,

My English teacher always warned us about the dangers of run on sentences.

railsdev,

It’s funny because in a lot of contexts I’m pretty anti-comma but here we’ve got a confusing headline that would’ve traditionally included the comma for clarity.

awwsom, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Linux Kernel 6.4
@awwsom@beehaw.org avatar

whats wrong with systemd?

Lmaydev,

itsfoss.com/systemd-init/

As far as I know it essentially boils down to systemd doing too many things.

Critics argue that systemd is too complex and monolithic, making it harder to troubleshoot. They worry about a single point of failure, as all services are managed by one daemon, and voice concerns about tight integration with the Linux kernel, which could limit portability to other systems.

yum13241,

At least it’s actually documented.

k_rol,

I appreciate your explanation. I had no idea.

awwsom,
@awwsom@beehaw.org avatar

this makes sense. thank you

shreddy_scientist,
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t feel like anything is wrong with systemd, but options are apart of what makes Linux so awesome.

k_rol,

I’m pretty sure that you mean “a part of” rather than “apart of”. Otherwise it sounds like you are saying options and Linux are two different things.

Cwilliams,

Oh boy, here we go again…

Pieresqi, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Liquorix Kernel 6.4

Looks interesting but I think claims of VMetal in regards of gaming are kind of bullshit. I have been looking into running windows/Linux in VM and have it full access to GPU (GPU pass through) and there are 2 major problems.

  1. Nvidia and amd being scummy and having firmware limiters in consumer GPUs to segment their products. This should be “fixable” by modifying firmware but … Yeah… Not very comfortable thing to do
  2. Motherboards not having support or worse have broken implementation of iommu.

Maybe my “research” was bad. Let’s hope someone will correct me.

d3Xt3r,

Not sure what firmware limiters you’re talking about? I’m using a cheap ASUS board (B450i-gaming), a Zen 2 CPU and a 6600 XT, and single GPU passthru works just fine for me on Arch using this guide. (I haven’t tried VMetal or this new release of Nitrux yet). Yes, some manufactures are iffy about IOMMU support, mostly Intel-CPU and Intel-based boards in my experience, but if you’re using AMD you should be fine.

There is something called an ACS override patch, but that’s a kernel patch not a GPU firmware patch, and from my understanding, that’s for dual-GPU users. Regardless, it doesn’t modify your firmware in any way.

Pieresqi, (edited )

Not sure what firmware limiters you’re talking about?

The same limitation mentioned it the guide you shared:

This solution basically hands over the GPU to guest OS upon booting the VM and hands it back to the host OS upon powering off the VM. The obvious downside of this is that you can’t use the host OS (at least graphically) while the guest is running. It is therefore highly recommended that you set up SSH access to your host OS just in case of issues.

Also thanks for sharing it. I will try it some other time. 🙂

Patch NVIDIA BIOS (only for Pascal GPUs)

Only 10xx is affected or older cards are too ?? 😑

JigglySackles, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Liquorix Kernel 6.4

I’m quite possibly an idiot, but immutable to me would mean it’s not update capable. Is it only partially immutable? Is it deleting and replacing?

kogasa,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

Immutable in this context usually means the root filesystem is readonly at runtime, and all changes are performed by updating a set of declarative config files that describe the desired state of the system. Changes would be prepared and applied after a reboot. Something like that.

JigglySackles,

That makes sense. Thanks!

Grass, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Liquorix Kernel 6.4

Has anyone done an unbiased comparison of systems/openrc/whatever that compares each doing what it does best? So far the only difference is just me not having a clue how to do what I want when distro hopping.

deanne,
@deanne@lemmy.world avatar

i used them all, i didn’t notice much difference. but openrc has the coolest bootup screen by far

dinckelman,

At the end of the day, they all achieve exactly the same experience. The only real difference is that systemd does a lot of the work for you. Personally I wasn’t a huge fan of micromanaging my services manually on openrc or s6

mainframegremlin,

They both achieve the same thing in different ways, but it comes down to philosophy if that even matters to the user. You can build gentoo for example with openrc or systemd, and depending on what you do you’ll need to integrate things differently (using elogind with openrc since logind is systemd specific). In gentoo it affects how you’ll compile. Its really a non issue, but it all depends on what level folks wanna spend on something that could potentially be different. I use openrc daily on multiple setups and it took maybe a week of using it to get the hang of it. Its just operationally different.

Does it really matter for most folks? No. But if its something you find interesting, it can be a nice change based on personal views and principles. I run openrc because I personally as a programmer don’t believe in how “proprietary” systemd is designed, nor agree with the decisions the maintainers have made. That’s just my opinion. At the end of the day it doesn’t technically matter.

This is a more hardcore viewpoint but it covers a lot of the issues folks have with it. suckless.org/sucks/systemd/

Grass,

Cool I’ll check that out. I don’t think I’m at a level where the differences significantly affect me but I don’t really know what they are to begin with.

Kangie,

I use Gentoo which originated openrc but also enables systemd.

They’re both fine. Both will do the job. Systemd just can do more without additional packages or can be configured / built to be pretty minimal.

BeigeAgenda, to linux in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Liquorix Kernel 6.4
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Great with more systemd free distros!

I use Devuan, if you need Debian without systemd.

1984, to linux in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Is Now Powered by Linux Kernel 6.2 from Ubuntu 23.04
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I installed Ubuntu in VirtualBox the other day. Right after install, I tried to open the default terminal. It wouldn’t open. Tried many times, restarted, tried again. Would not open.

Searched the web, found like a million other people having the same issue.

Installed Pop OS. It’s beautiful. Everything works, beautiful design, good wallpapers, good default theming.

We have to stop recommending Ubuntu to people.

shreddy_scientist,
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

Kubuntu > Ubuntu

TimeSquirrel,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

KDE Neon > Kubuntu > Ubuntu

EnglishMobster,
@EnglishMobster@kbin.social avatar

Neon FTW. Been my daily driver for a while now with zero problems.

johnthedoe,

I want to like Ubuntu. Every few years I give it a crack since I like the look and feel. Then it’s just clunky and I revert back to mint

Montagge,
@Montagge@kbin.social avatar

I like Mint and Ubuntu

sunbeam60,

I’m rocking Ubuntu Server for my self-hosting and loving it. Just to give a counter-point.

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Yeah I think the server is fine. But the desktop experience is always something wrong with. :/

itsmaxyd, to opensource in Thunderbird 115.1 Improves Flatpak Support, Hides Quick Filter Bar by Default

My default email client

theshatterstone54, to linux in LMDE 6 Codenamed “Faye”, Linux Mint 21.3 Is Planned for Christmas 2023

Cool stuff. Especially excited by the fact that the Linux Mint team will continue looking at Wayland support. With Fedora starting to fall out of favour because of the telemetry stuff, I could see Mint become THE distro to recommend to someone. It really is heading that way.

nan, to linux in LMDE 6 Codenamed “Faye”, Linux Mint 21.3 Is Planned for Christmas 2023
@nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Very cool. In the past they had mentioned LMDE should be about a month behind the 21.2 update. Hoping that estimate still isn’t too far off.

(Mentioned here)

1984, to opensource in Thunderbird 115.1 Improves Flatpak Support, Hides Quick Filter Bar by Default
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I started using it again with version 115 and it’s so fast and easy to search mails, I spend a couple of hours deleting, archiving and cleaning up my inbox. Who knew that could be kind of fun. :)

words_number,

I’ve been using it forever and I actually don’t think that much has changed. It has finally gotten some necessary builtin features that previously needed plugins (carddav, caldav) and the UI has been cleaned up a bit, but generally there are no game changers here. So why didn’t you use it before 115?

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Ugly user interface, to be honest. I don’t mean to offend but I just didn’t like how it looked.

words_number,

Out of curiosity, what did you use instead?

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

I have been using web interfaces to email for over 15 years now in think. I’ve been on Fastmail for the last 5 or so.

Before the web interfaces were popular, I was using email clients on the desktop, and I think I was using Thunderbird back then, but don’t really remember exactly…

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