Okay so question: What do y'all think a caliphate is? While it's not something I'd expect most Europeans to support given the lack of separation of church and state and all that, "caliphate" is (to simplify) a state ruled by the laws of Islam, which while again aren't things most Europeans support (the lack of LGBT rights coming to mind) it's not like these people are trying to recreate ISIS.
I'm not handwaving it; more saying that it seems like everyone in the comments is acting like they wanna kill all non-Muslims or something, with stuff like "this is what happens when you invite Muslims into your country" and shit.
The Gaza director for the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees says the average Palestinian in Gaza is living on two pieces of Arabic bread made from flour that the U.N. had stockpiled in the region.
I mean TBF almost 50% of people aged 18-24 voted in 2020. If even 10% of those people don't vote for Biden because he was complicit in genocide he's fucked.
I mean, this has become more than just islamophobe vs antisemite. What Biden is facing is being rightly called accomplice to genocide, at a time when support for Palestine has already overtaken that for Israel among democrat voters.
The people that care most about this were never going to vote in general.
Not necessarily. People aged 18-24 had a voter turnout of about 48% the last election.
And with a significant majority of the population supporting Israel, there’s not really any option for candidates against it either.
The population includes republicans who aren't gonna vote for Biden anyway. According to the Guardian:
Gallup has been tracking the gradual downward shift in sympathy toward Israel among Democrats that started in about 2014. In February, for the first time, Democrats’ sympathies for the Palestinians were higher than for the Israelis, 49% to 38%.
I mean she's not wrong. Bidens current stance of "support and ask questions later" is very much tantamount to supporting genocide. In the current situation the least you'd expect of the American president is to leave Israel to fend for itself, not send them aircraft carriers and military aid. For comparison in the 1980s Reagan (yes, Reagan) called the Israeli PM and basically ordered him to stop the bombing of West Beirut immediately. The bombing stopped in 20 minutes.
It would make anyone feel crazy and make irrational choices.
TBF given that the only times Palestinians got any concessions out of Israel (not that they got much) were after liberal usage of terror (even the Oslo accords came after the very much not nonviolent first intifada), one has to wonder whether these choices are entirely irrational.
Well given that there were 700000 Arabs who had to flee out of fear of getting murdered (or because they were directly ordered to flee by the IDF's predecessors), I'd say they were pretty successful.
They were told they’d be able to return after the surrounding nations destroyed the newly formed Israel… that backfired and the surrounding nations refused to take on the refugees they created.
So you're saying Israel did not massacre or expel Palestinians? I suggest reading Benny Morris (a Zionist Israeli historians)'s four-stage analysis of the Palestinian diaspora. Hint: Most of them were fleeing for their lives or actively ordered to flee by the IDF's predecessors, as I said above.
What I’m saying is many Arabs, hundreds of thousands of them left willingly and under the direction of the surrounding Arab Nations under the promise of being able to return once Israel was destroyed.
It’s not Israel’s fault they’re still waiting. Many Arabs who didn’t leave, still live there in peace accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s population.
Are you even reading what I said? Most of these people left because they either (rightly given the sheer number of massacres) feared for their lives or were actively expelled.
TBF Hamas is definitely a terrorist organization, especially with the murder of civilians on October 7. They're fighting Israeli oppression, but calling them not terrorists would be like calling the IRA in the Troubles not terrorists.
I agree, but I don’t appreciate where the numbers come from. The Palestine Health Authority is basicly Hamas. They over report their numbers.
They released a list of all 6400 and change known casualties the other day (the number of casualties was a little below 7000 then), and reported an extra 200 unidentified. Like, with names and national IDs. I think any overreporting will be within the bounds of the situation being chaotic as all hell instead of anything malicious.
I mean Hamas is a terrorist organization but they're also a government. The health ministry of all places has things to do other than plotting the destruction of Israel.
To anyone who's keeping up with Palestine, settler doesn't sound like anything but "invading genocidal maniac", so in that case it's the appropriate term.
A 21-year-old Cornell University junior was charged Tuesday for making online threats to Jewish students at the Ivy League school, authorities said....
Hamas resorting to random acts of violence instead of a targeted attack dooms their cause.
Obligatory not supporting attacking civilians, but Hamas can't do much except random acts of violence. They're probably one of the worst armed militant groups in the past 100 years.
An Intelligence Ministry document revealed by Local Call and +972 shows how the idea of population transfer to the Sinai is reaching official discussions.
Mousa Abu Marzouk, a member of the Hamas Political Bureau said in an October 27, 2023 interview that aired on Russia Today TV that the tunnels in Gaza were built to protect Hams fighters from airstrikes, not civilians. He added that Hamas fights Israel from within the tunnels. Abu Marzouq added that since 75% of the residents in...
As a Muslim I'm gonna mention that either Hamas's charter or the translation doesn't get the meaning across. This is a sign of the day of judgement, not a condition we have to fulfill. Nobody's going around saying "we have to kill Jews so the day of judgement comes", because reading the charter it might come across that way.
I don't think it's wild to say that Hamas are not above selectively taking bits of religious texts and twisting them out of context in order to fit their own world view.
Yeah Idk what Hamas's position is, just talking about Islam in general.
Yep, called it. Another guy went "religion of peace" up there.
Uh... Just to clarify, this isn't an order; that part is rephrasing on the part of Hamas or a mistranslation (betting on a mistranslation because this particular construction's meaning is different in Arabic). Nobody's going around yelling "we should kill all Jews so the day of judgement comes".
There's no reason to invade in the first place. Hamas has already asked for negotiations to free the hostages. "Saving a few or saving none" is a false dichotomy.
Not defending the murder of civilians, but the problem Palestinians find themselves facing is that:
1-It's not just taking their lands. Every year West Bank Palestinians are murdered or kicked off their lands to make way for Israeli settlements, with either tacit acceptance or out right support from the Israeli government, and the blockade of Gaza doesn't need to be explained.
2-Peace isn't working. The PLO renounced violence and 100% dedicated to peaceful efforts. And the result? The West Bank is now a Bantustan where Palestinian land is being forcibly taken every year. The blockade of Gaza started before Israel's popular excuse of Hamas taking charge. Israel wants Palestinians to suffer, so until that changes some Palestinians will obviously choose violence. This is just an inevitable result of peace not working.
Demonstration in Essen: Against Israel and in support of a Kaliphate in Germany (www.sueddeutsche.de)
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Stripped naked, tortured: Deported Gazans accuse Israeli troops of abuses (www.france24.com)
The average Palestinian in Gaza is living on 2 pieces of bread a day, UN official says (apnews.com)
The Gaza director for the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees says the average Palestinian in Gaza is living on two pieces of Arabic bread made from flour that the U.N. had stockpiled in the region.
Young Activists to Biden: Change Course on Gaza — or Lose in 2024 (www.rollingstone.com)
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Rashida Tlaib claims in video that Biden supports Palestinian genocide (www.theguardian.com)
Israeli army strikes entrance of Al-Nasr Children’s Hospital in Gaza (www.aa.com.tr)
Israeli Strikes Kill Multiple Civilians in Gaza Combat Zone (time.com)
Israeli military strikes killed multiple civilians at a U.N. shelter and hospital in the main combat zone in Gaza.
Expel all Palestinians from Gaza, recommends Israeli gov't ministry (www.972mag.com)
Reeling from Hamas' massacre, a kibbutz pleads for the return of hostages (www.972mag.com)
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‘A war needs field reporting from both sides’: French media appeal for access to Gaza (www.france24.com)
Emotional outburst on live TV from Gaza over death of reporter encapsulates collective grief | AP News (apnews.com)
Biden officials alarmed by soaring Palestinian death toll in Gaza (www.nbcnews.com)
Israel-Palestine war: Settler attacks on the rise in West Bank villages (www.middleeasteye.net)
(...) Ben Gvir and Smotrich leading the charge...
Cornell University student threatened to stab and rape Jewish students and ‘shoot up’ school, prosecutors say (www.nbcnews.com)
A 21-year-old Cornell University junior was charged Tuesday for making online threats to Jewish students at the Ivy League school, authorities said....
Israeli Government Mulls 'Forcible, Permanent' Transfer of 2.2 Million Gaza Strip Residents to Egypt (thewire.in)
An Intelligence Ministry document revealed by Local Call and +972 shows how the idea of population transfer to the Sinai is reaching official discussions.
Hamas Official Mousa Abu Marzouk: The Tunnels In Gaza Were Built To Protect Hamas Fighters, Not Civilians; Protecting Gaza Civilians Is The Responsibility Of The U.N. And Israel (www.memri.org)
Mousa Abu Marzouk, a member of the Hamas Political Bureau said in an October 27, 2023 interview that aired on Russia Today TV that the tunnels in Gaza were built to protect Hams fighters from airstrikes, not civilians. He added that Hamas fights Israel from within the tunnels. Abu Marzouq added that since 75% of the residents in...
Over 30,000 Babies in Gaza Are Drinking Contaminated Water, US State Dept Says (truthout.org)
The State Department says 30,000 vulnerable babies under 6 months and 52,000 pregnant people are drinking dirty water....
Palestinians plead ‘stop the bombs’ at UN meeting but Israel insists Hamas must be ‘obliterated’ (apnews.com)
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