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Lucia,
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Isn’t the entire point of federation to remove closed spaces?

Not necessary. Your instance still can just not federate with anyone.

By blocking Threads, it basically means that the sole interaction many people will have with the fediverse is that it’s a closed ecosystem

Yes, and by not blocking Threads we let it to become a de-facto standard way to consume content on the Fediverse. If users want to avoid closed ecosystems, they can just create an acc on one of many mastodon or lemmy instances.

If your fear is that Meta will control the fediverse, then you’ve built a closed ecosystem that’s essentially no different to Reddit.

Blocking a single bad actor = being fully centralised. Again, create an account on the instances that don’t feed on your data and mental wellbeing.

Lucia,
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Pick any popular colorscheme, like dracula or catppuccin, get some good wallpapers and make a screenshot with your most-used (or just favourite) applications. Keep it simple

Lucia,
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I think the problem in this case isn’t freedom of speech, but the ability to scream so loud that other voices can’t reach the audience. Corpos and governments use their already established influence to control narrative.

Lucia,
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No such problem on small instances btw.

Lucia,
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There’s a box to the right of domain names (the box with + and -), you can click on a left side of it to allow and on a right side to forbid it.

Lucia,
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You probably need to enable “I’m an advanced user” in the settings.

Lucia,
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Did you reload the page?

Lucia,
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Can you please provide a link to a post with a blocked image?

Lucia,
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Do you want a tiling or a stacking wm?

Lucia,
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Fluxbox or IceWM as a more standard, familiar floating WMs (both are pretty customizable too).

WindowMaker is my goto for standalone window managers, it’s look based on NeXTSTeP OS from 90s, so it doesn’t look like yet another ripoff from windows or macos (both are ugly IMHO), so it’s pretty unique.

If you want minimal and keyboard-oriented, cwm is THE wm for you. The main problem is that default keyboard shortcuts are really bad (openbsd fanatics will say otherways, but when shortcuts are spread around ctrl+, alt+, and ctrl+alt+, it’s really far from good), so I recommend tweak them or to find someone’s config.

If you want a desktop-agnostic file manager for these wms, I’d recommend xfe - it’s somewhat obscure for some reason, but it’s really, really good. Can’t recommend more.

As to install, all of these should be in your distro’s repo. Fluxbox may come as two packages (fluxbox2 and fluxbox3), the first one is the last official version and the second is the “community edition” - a fork, basically.

At least on Void Window Maker package is called WindowMaker, with capitalisation. Since Void sticks to official naming, other distros may have the same name.

edit: Also, it’s worth to mention most of recommendation on this thread are tiling window managers (awesomewm, i3, hyprland, etc.)

Lucia,
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Yep, also they don’t integrate Pocket in the browser, they just have a built-in email client, note-taking software, RSS reader, calendar bloat. Also, Vivaldi is based on chromium (as such subsribed to all Google’s bullshit), and uses Chrome extension store.

Honestly, OP, just stick to Librewolf, it’s privacy-respecting and actually open-source, pocket’s disabled, UBo’s preinstalled.

Lucia,
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I am thinking of moving to Epiphany (gnome-web) some day, but I may start missing the vim-like interaction with qutebrowser.

There’s a WebKitGTK-based web browser called Luakit. Pretty good from my experience, although webkit can be problematic at times.

Lucia,
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Also OP post is about privacy not bloat

OP is concerned about Pocket integration too, so I assumed they may not like it.

these features will only improve your privacy over using some webmail.

Does their built-in mail support any good encryption? The last time I used Vivaldi a mail feature wasn’t really that private. Also, using dedicated email client like claws or mutt is even better from privacy perspective.

All google stuff is either removed or toggleable from settings.

They can’t remove Manifest V3 though.

What’s wrong with that? It’s a good deal larger than mozilla’s

Yes, and it’s under Google’s control. And, again when I used it last time, you need to enable some google stuff to install extensions from the store.

Lucia,
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Basically, you don’t want everything be dependant on a central authority - this is a single point of failure. If there’s a big security vulnerability in your web browser, but you use a standalone mail client, your mails are most probably safe.

This also adds up to built-in adblocker - who knows if Vivaldi devs will ever go evil and sneak in exceptions in their adblocker? Or if they will sell their web browser, just like their CEO done so with his previous browser, Opera.

Lucia,
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I’m not really into security-focused distros, but heard good things about QubesOS. Also, what about OpenBSD?

Lucia,
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if there will be some exceptions.

lemmy.world and mastodon.social decided not to defederate threads.

Lucia,
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OS: Linux Mint DE: Xfce Colorscheme: Catppuccin Software on the first screen: LibreWolf, NeonModem Software on the second one: KVM, Pe, preinstalled terminal on haiku

Lucia,
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Yep, although there’s no themes like with gtk and qt, you choose colors manually.

Lucia,
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I wish I will one day use on a real hardware!

Lucia,
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Thanks, LOVE is great!

Lucia,
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We don’t do that here

Lucia,
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That’s not an imageboard, we want actually civil discussion here.

Lucia,
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It may speed up your boot time, at least it happened to me on Void (maybe the reason is how minimal this distro is though). I personally prefer runit over systemd in how it handles services, but honestly you most probably won’t notice a much difference - definetely not worth reinstalling whole system.

Lucia,
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Ubuntu fonts works pretty good for me as a general UI font tbh. In text editors I prefer mononoki over monospace, it’s a bit prettier IMO, although in terminal I use terminus because pixel fonts are cool.

Lucia,
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Doesn’t Debian Sid count as a rolling Debian?

Lucia,
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why do people choose it over other instances?

Non-techy people want a big instance, but .world goes offline too often and .ml doesn’t allow new sign ups.

Lucia,
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Nah, .ml is as old as lemmy itself, while .ee is a really young instance.

Lucia,
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That’s reasonable! Although AFAIK lemmynsfw is one of the most defederated instances ever, so there’s a lot of options.

Lucia,
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They closed sign ups during the early days of the migration up until recently. I just missed the moment they’re open again since I’m not interested in large instances.

Lucia,
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We can compose a list of instances with sane blocklists for each software and audit from time to time.

Lucia,
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things get complicated when there is defederation involved

More of that, only comments from instances defederated by your instance won’t be shown.

Lucia,
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By ‘sane blocklists’ I meant small and auditable blocklists actually. There are instances like programming.dev, lemmy on sdf and the instance I’m on that don’t preemptively defederate from other instances. That’s what I meant.

Lucia,
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I’m not sure how this hypothetical issue that may happen in a far future relates to what issue I addressed in my comment, actually.

romu700, to firefox
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Sur , le navigateur de va maintenant permettre d'avoir la barre d'adresses en bas de l'écran, comme... depuis 2 ans.

Cette disposition améliore en facilitant l'utilisation à une seule main, il est ainsi très facile d'accéder à cette barre avec le pouce.

Mais n'a pas été le précurseur de cette fonctionnalité, puisque le navigateur , basé sur @firefox, permettait déjà cela en...2014.

https://sailfishos.org/

Lucia, (edited )
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I don’t know what Lemmy is.

Lemmy is a Fediverse software for community-based discussion, something similar to reddit.

When you tag Lemmy communities via Mastodon, you submit your toot to respective community as a post. That’s why people are a bit confused here.

Also, first line on your post transforms to a title on lemmy, and it looks like this: “Sur #iOS, le navigateur #chrome de #google va maintenant permettre d’avoir la barre d’”. Lemmy doesn’t use formatting for titles.

Lucia,
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The problem with large blocking lists is that they can’t be easily audited. How do you know if there’s any legit website amongst 400 links?

Lucia,
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Yeah, it would also be great if a user could easily sort blocked communities by software, to stop seeing all the mastodon and pleroma instances.

Lucia,
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I don’t mind big blocklists honestly, the problem with auditing is purely on a UX side - if we would have a way to sort/filter isntances by software and have some kind of grouping (“all of these instances are on a list of badies”), it wouldn’t be such a problem.

What’s really a problem is whitelisting. It’s proactively punishing those who use small/personal instances, and not federating is much easier than defederating, so it’ll more probably be abused by admins.

Lucia,
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I can imagine whitelisting to become more popular as Lemmy user base grows and communities become more suitable for lurkers and non-techies who know nothing about federation.

Data for your instance: defed.xyz/check/eviltoast.org

It’s such a contrast seeing blank blocklist after using Beehaw and blahaj honestly. Small instances are so much better tbh. And this tool is great, thanks! I hope we’ll figure out how to get a list of blocked communities somehow. This lack of transparency is so annoying.

Lucia,
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For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind.

I’m not surprised at all. Microblogging is kinda hard to get. When I want to participate in some online social space, I lurk a bit on there to get the general vibe and then start or join discussion. Yesterday I tried to get into microblogging fedi (mastodon, firefish, akkoma) and I couldn’t get past lurking part because interaction on microblogging social media seems so fractured. And a lot of posts on Lemmy indicate similar problems people encounter on mastodon.

And weird names for tages aren’t helping at all

Lucia,
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Federation between Lemmy and Mastodon users is far from perfect, to say the least. And it seems most Mastodon users don’t really know about the existance of Lemmy and kbin.

Lucia,
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Do you think there would be similar frustration points in the Mastodon to Lemmy process?

Nah, Lemmy style discussions are everywhere nowadays: youtube comment section, facebook groups, forums of all kinds. I think most Internet users are familiar with at least one of these. It’s just that microblogging can be confusing if you never used it before.

I think Mastodon adds up to the frustation Lemmy users experience with microblogging software with their really bad and familiar web UI and strict word limit. I think we would be more successful if we’re starting with -oma or firefish honestly. But most guides for Fediverse written for Mastodon unfortunately, and you’ll need to learn about how the federation between mastodon and rest of microblogging fedi works to get some content.

Also those aren’t weird names for tags they are more like existing communities.

Yeah, sorry, ‘weird’ isn’t the best word to describe it. They’re more like not that obvious - if you just got into mastodon and want to check what people posting there, you’ll need to figure out first what these tags even mean.

Maybe we could build a few communities on Lemmy that would use tags to get traction on Mastodon so users outside of Thrediverse could learn about our existance? I’m pretty sure most Mastodon users don’t really know about the whole reddit thing and that we now have second entryway to Fediverse.

Lucia,
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These are basically system requirements for Firefox (well, except for disk space, obviously). It doesn’t matter much how lightweight your system is when you launch a modern web browser.

Lucia,
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Replied to a wrong comment?

Lucia,
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Oh, I see. Yeah, it’s fixed now.

Lucia,
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It seems the discussion moved to a doomy direction though. People kinda just read the title and then say that lemmy is basically dead and we should move back, etc.

Lucia,
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Tags would be so good for Lemmy actually. Instead of creating new extremely specialized community we could use tags to help those who want this kind of content find it in a less focused community, preventing segregation of small Lemmy user base. And when certain tag gets enough traction we would create a community for it.

Instead we have sorting mechanisms that actively punish small communities and big communities mostly driven by news (e.g. c/technology).

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