Not sure if I’m even posting correctly but here goes. I’m pretty new to Lemmy, the whole reddit thing has just lead to me to deleting my old account and exploring new places. So far I like Lemmy and have learned how to subscribe and maneuver my way around instances and such. Also downloaded the ios beta app which I have...
Correct me if I'm wrong. I read ActivityPub standards and dug a little into lemmy sources to understand how federation works. And I'm a bit disappointed. Every server just has a cache and the ability to fetch something from another known server. So if you start your own instance, there is no profit for the whole network until...
Every server just has a cache … there is no profit for the whole network …
I wouldn’t say that caching is no profit. Yesterday there were several times when lemmy.ml was struggling or effectively down for some people, but despite complaints over there I could read lemmy.ml communities just fine through my instance. Caching meant that I was isolated from the service interruption, and the lemmy.ml server was isolated from my contribution to its load.
A network of (“thousands of”) servers has — like most things — pros and cons.
Some of the pros are:
The network is more resiliant against outages. If lemmy.ml is down, all other users can still access the network.
It's hard to take legal action against the network or to buy it out (like Big Players™ like to do to get rid of potential competitors).
It allows various similar or even conflicting moderation policies. The network, i.e. the infrastructure doesn't allow or prohibit any specific opinion (the communities do).
It allows for different ways to pay the bills: goodwill of the admin, donaitions, ads, fee or selfhosting. The latter also allows great control over the data so you control your privacy.
Some of the cons are:
Content is replicated across servers, which increases the total amount of data stored.
Latency and speed suffer.
Interoperability with the wider Fediverse is less than 100%, which can create confusion and frustration.
Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.
@communist people say federation is an issue when you get multiple communities on the same topic. There is the "technology" community on beehaw, there is also the "technology" community on lemmy.ml, then there are countless communities named the same on other servers as well. But I do not think federation is an issue. I know of at least one site that has the same issue with multiple communities with the same name. And it is centralized. And it has no issue with that.
Before Netflix, there was Blockbuster.
Before YouTube, there was Metacafe and janky websites hosting Flash or Quicktime Player.
Before Spotify, there was PeopleSound and iTunes gift cards.
Before Discord, there was IRC and AOL Chatrooms.
Before Facebook, there was MySpace and Friendster.
Before iPhone, I had an LG Dare and Palm Pre. Good god!
Before Reddit, there was Digg, Slashdot and Fark.
Something better always comes along. Especially if that “better” is tied to a streamlined, easy to use, easy to learn UI.
Reddit would’ve never gotten as big as it did without third party support. Not just apps like Apollo, RIF and Narwhal - but tools like Imgur and RES.
Lemmy and “The Federation” (I’m not quite yet sold calling it the Fediverse…) has a lot of potential to be that “better than Reddit” online space. Nobody owns all of it, so there’s safeguards against the things that we’re blacked out.
And it’s partially why its a fixer-upper.
We, the community, are going to need to make Lemmy the space we want it to be. That means competition between instances and servers, that means user generated tools and content. I read the RIF developer is working on a Tildes app for iOS and Android. Mlem iOS app is in early Beta, but are working hard to have a stable release for 6/30. Jerboa’s out on Android already and folks seems to like it so far.
Give it time. We’re all new. And whether it’s here or somewhere else - we always land on our feet. Maybe the only thing we have in common with u/spez : there’s nowhere to fail but up.
I'm seeing people recommend different servers within kbin (Fedia, for example), but when I visit those servers my login doesn't work (I have not registered), so it seems I would need a completely separate registration...
So when I see posts like this: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/12526/Question-best-kbin-server-to-recommend-to-users-tomorrow what is the benefit of splintering these userbases and therefore conversations? Wouldn't this be akin to having different tables in a cafeteria, or different Discord servers? Sure, they may all have similar conversations about topics, but it isn't the same conversation about a topic. What if I want to hear what a specific user has to say, but they aren't in my server?
I see right now that Lemmy.ml is not accepting new registrations because their server is at capacity and are recommending other servers. But what is the benefit for users to go to a different server? Wouldn't they get a lessened experience since the alternate servers are smaller communities?
Am I misunderstanding something about federated communities? If I make a post in one it isn't synchronized to the others right? It just seems a little self-defeating when the big draw for sites like Reddit and Twitter is that everyone is in one place...
Edit: I see another post that says that the cross-functionality between these servers may be currently disabled, so maybe this is just a bad time to learn about how these interrelate...? I'd still love some clarification that isn't someone just linking to documentation and specs.
The mechanism is called ActivityPub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
It's the underlying protocol behind fediverse that makes things "propagate" for different servers and services.
This is why you can, for example, read, follow and post to any of these kbin discussions from Mastodon or PIxelfeed.
It's the same protocol under all fedi-sites.
What separates them is what "document types" they display and how they display it (threads, posts etc) and the surrounding UI and tools.
Your account is local, you can have as many as you like on different sites and communities.
Your data is federated and is accessible from other sites.
This way you can have "local home" community (people on your instance), but still have "global discussions" (communities on various Lemmy instances, Mastodon etc).
What's different from Reddit, is that there's not one "sub" - there's many. For example, let's say Linux. On Reddit you'd just go to /r/linux and that's all there was. On fedi, you have /m/linux here on kbin.social, probably one at fedia.io and, you have /c/linux on multiple Lemmy instances AND you'll probably have linux discussions on Mastodon (like you can follow Linux creator Linus Torvalds at @[email protected]). This means you'll have many discussions in many places and that can be confusing at start. But it's not really that complicated. You just follow them all and you can see them all in your own /sub feed here on kbin.social (or whichever server you call home).
The server "doesn't really matter" in the end. In most cases.
You are making sense, just remember your login does not travel between kbin and lemmy. When you are on kbin, you can search for communities on the server you joined or across the fediverse. The way to do that is [email protected]
For example, say if I found out the beehaw.org server had an awesome gaming community, well I can just type [email protected] into the search box and then subscribe to it. It will then federated into the server (the server will start pulling in new posts - but not old posts) that means others can now see it too. That's why if you see the message that it's not fully federated and you might see more on the original instance.
Your login is just a place to reside but with the fediverse, you can pull in content to view. Which helps as you don't need multiple log ins for multiple services. I've seen a few people ask about people with the same username as theirs on other instances and that will happen but remember that your username is like email. You have [email protected], so whilst someone might share the same username, they'll never be on the same instance. That's how you tell others apart.
You can go to "Magazines" and search. If you search, for example, for Linux, you'll see several communities pop up.
You can also see if they're local (they don't have domain name) or from some other instance (they have domain name).
However, those are just instances that have been federated to kbin.social (i.e. someone here has previously subscribed to them). Discovering stuff from "unknown" servers isn't super easy - there's no "global fedi directory" of communities yet (as far as I know). You have to visit the local server to discover what communities it has.
That's the downside of distributed model. On Reddit everything was in one place because that's all there was.
But in a lot of cases it wasn't the case that a single subreddit had it all. Many topics had numerous sub's covering the same ground or being more specialised or having different rules.
True. It wasn't always easy to discover "everything" on reddit either.
I find that lot of new people joining the fediverse are unnecessarily worried about servers and instances.
Most of this works organically and you discover places, servers and communities as you go. There's no penalty in subscribing to multiple communities. Or all of them.
Think of an email address. Accessing a community is like accessing an email address (that’s why communities have handles @ a server.
So unlike Reddit where you could have r/memes in the Fediverse you can have [email protected] or [email protected] each host can host a bunch of communities and a bunch of users and we all connect to one another in a similar way that email works.
The plus side of this is that no single company has all the power like a walled garden, rather the whole system functions in a decentralised manner. It is also run open source by a community of developers. So while the whole system works in a very similar way to Reddit, you cant just search for the official memes community, rather you can subscribe to many, some may be large and some may be small and niche. Hopefully the downsides of this will get ironed out, organising communities into super communities or sorting by tag or something, but on the bright side, being open source and decentralised, development of Lemmy will likely proceed at a rapid pace and soon catch up and overtake corporate sites in useability, as they increasingly look to stifle useability and freedom for profit.
I think even calling it Lemmy is not the right move. Yeah, Lemmy is the server software running on a bunch of instances. But we also have kbin, and new softwares will pop up and fork and come and go over time. Once we can do some kind of account or community level migration, it won’t matter whether you are on Lemmy or kbin or the next great thing. Everything will be federated so it will inter-op beautifully. If an unfriendly instance admin comes along, we can collectively cut and run with minimal interruption.
Thats still a way off from where we are now but the hard step was getting to the Fediverse in the first place. So, welcome to the newcomers among us.
parang ba magsesetup ng community server para sa lemmy
Parang ganun nga siya.
At the risk of oversimplifation, attempt kong i-explain kung paano ko sya naintindihan. Yung Lemmy, program siya na pwede mong i-install at patakbuhin sa server o sa mismong computer mo. Yung ininstall na Lemmy sa server o kung saan man, ang tawag dun, instance. IIsang klase ng program lang yung gamit nila, (Lemmy) pero iba’t-iba ang nagpapatakbo. So, syempre, dahil iba-iba ang nagpapatakbo, iba-iba rin ang pamamalakad.
Ngayon, andito tayo sa lemmy.world instance, iba rin yun sa lemmy.ml or beehaw.org. Pero ang kagandahan sa Lemmy, dahil sa part siya ng Fediverse, pwedeng “mag-usap-usap” ang mga instances. So, kahit na ako andito nag-register sa lemmy.world, pwede akong mag-post or mag-comment sa mga community (equivalent sa subreddit sa kabila), na ginawa sa lemmy.ml or beehaw.org.
Ang naging problema nga lang, dahil sa dagsa ang mga tao na dumating galing Reddit, yung ibang instances, di kinaya ang dami ng tao, or nag-aatempt na mag-gawa ng paraan para makayanan ang dami ng tao—yun yung ibig kong sabihin kanina.
Erstmal Hallo an alle, die innerhalb der letzten paar Tage neu zu uns gestoßen sind. Wir freuen uns über euch und hoffen, dass ihr hier eine langfristige Bleibe über den Blackout hinaus findet....
Plex and a web app I wrote for a Twitch community I moderate.
Plex is on a server in the Netherlands and the web app is just AWS. I would’ve hosted on some spare hardware but my internet is notoriously trash and I didn’t want to risk it going down while people are playing in the app.
Plex I might move onto a NAS at some point but I’m just too lazy lol.
I’m really enjoying lemmy. I think we’ve got some growing pains in UI/UX and we’re missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn’t going to be free....
I found it complicated at first (didn’t know which instance “will last”, where to register to not lose anything when instance admin decide to turn it down), but now it’s going good. We are missing mobile apps though....
I don’t care about what instance will last too much. I’m not that active contributor so if my comments/topics will disappear the world will not end. I always can create a new account on another server.
I chose Lemmy for now because Kbin seems to be not mature enough. I don’t like some background of Lemmy devs that I was reading about, but I’m still not sure what make of it… Does it matter much? I support freedom of speech, and from my perspective people can have opinions very different from mine and still provide great value for community.
I’m currently exploring available communities and subscribing to stuff that I was subscribed on Reddit. Considering creating some communities too, but not sure how that works yet and how much involvement it will need.
Regarding software - using Jerboa. Overall very usable, but there are some UI issues that are irritating.
If something like multi-reddit comes about in Lemmy, I believe it could solve that issue. Just make a multi-reddit of what is the same community (roughly) over multiple servers. It won’t solve the problem of duplicate posts though. But Reddit had the same issue at times, where multiple subreddits for the same topic existed, although generally it merged down into a single subreddit that was actually useful.
One of the things I struggle is to discover new or popular apps, because of the lack of stats on f-droid (privacy first, I’m not complaining). So I’m interested on the community knowledge....
In einem föderierten Netzwerk spielt es im Grunde keine Rolle, auf welcher Instanz du registriert bist. Hast du auf einer anderen Instanz eine interessante Community entdeckt, kannst du diese über feddit.de abonnieren, indem du die URL der entsprechenden Community in das Suchfeld kopierst....
Ahhh, ich weiß, woran es liegt. Communties, die unser Server noch nicht kennt, müssen erstmal “registriert” werden. Dazu die Adresse der Community (also in unserem Fall sh.itjust.works/c/spaceflightmemes) oben rechts bei der Lupe ins Suchfeld werfen und dann wird die indexiert und ist ab dann für alle auf feddit.de verfügbar.
(Ich hab das jetzt mal gemacht, womit der Link von dir jetzt auch funktionieren sollte)
Reddit down amid major protest (lemmy.world)
Reddit has stopped working for millions of users around the world....
A community for composting
slrpnk.net/c/composting...
Flag waver bot!
I made a flag waver bot for this community....
Trying to learn how to be more tech savy but need help.
Not sure if I’m even posting correctly but here goes. I’m pretty new to Lemmy, the whole reddit thing has just lead to me to deleting my old account and exploring new places. So far I like Lemmy and have learned how to subscribe and maneuver my way around instances and such. Also downloaded the ios beta app which I have...
Are all these thousands of lemmy servers useless?
Correct me if I'm wrong. I read ActivityPub standards and dug a little into lemmy sources to understand how federation works. And I'm a bit disappointed. Every server just has a cache and the ability to fetch something from another known server. So if you start your own instance, there is no profit for the whole network until...
Fighting against anti-lemmy misinformation on reddit (old.reddit.com)
Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.
this is so bittersweet...
It’s amazing to see how many communities are joining in on the blackout. It’s also sad as fuck all....
While trying to wrap my head around the concept of the Fediverse, I made this map. How did I do? (media.kbin.social)
What is Lemmy?
I know there are posts out there explaining this quite well, but I would love an ELI5 version. What is Lemmy and the Fediverse?
Slashdot -> Fark -> Digg -> Reddit -> Lemmy
It's been a long journey, but here we arrive. Welcome home.
Daily random discussion - Jun 12, 2023
Happy Independence Day!...
Megathread: Reddit Blackout German
Erstmal Hallo an alle, die innerhalb der letzten paar Tage neu zu uns gestoßen sind. Wir freuen uns über euch und hoffen, dass ihr hier eine langfristige Bleibe über den Blackout hinaus findet....
Welcome to [email protected] - What do you selfhost?
Hello everyone! Mods here 😊...
How are we going to pay for all this?
I’m really enjoying lemmy. I think we’ve got some growing pains in UI/UX and we’re missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn’t going to be free....
So, what do you think about Lemmy/kbin so far?
I found it complicated at first (didn’t know which instance “will last”, where to register to not lose anything when instance admin decide to turn it down), but now it’s going good. We are missing mobile apps though....
Self-hosting Lemmy on Hetzner
This weekend I installed my own Lemmy instance, so I want to share the instructions to help others, who want to do the same....
Foss Apps that everyone should know
One of the things I struggle is to discover new or popular apps, because of the lack of stats on f-droid (privacy first, I’m not complaining). So I’m interested on the community knowledge....
Eine Community einer anderen Instanz abonnieren (feddit.de)
In einem föderierten Netzwerk spielt es im Grunde keine Rolle, auf welcher Instanz du registriert bist. Hast du auf einer anderen Instanz eine interessante Community entdeckt, kannst du diese über feddit.de abonnieren, indem du die URL der entsprechenden Community in das Suchfeld kopierst....