“In the meantime please watch this 15 second candy crush ad while your program starts up. Join windows 12 Premium+ starting 10.99/month today to reduce ads to one per hour”
Couldn’t you trivially differentiate local files from a query like if you type f…i…r it’s probably firefox if you type something that isn’t a recent document name or the name of an app its a query?
All the “X company may/could/might” and “X plans on this” news feel like they’re just feeling for a reaction from the public to see what they can and can’t get away with. If it gets too much push back, they just put it on the shelf and boil the frogs for longer before trying again, like with Google and WEI. It’s tiring. Stop being evil you corpo fucks.
I wish I could upvote many times - does anyone do this differently? Does Microsoft think “maybe if we make a useless search with ai instead of bing, people will use it?”
Gotta just make an icon on the desktop that dies a full shutdown, full especially because Microsoft basically made that harder to do. Now I just double click an icon and call it a day.
I’m not a Microsoft fan by any means but I’ve not had any real issues with Start menu searching for well over five years.
I just use it to search for the program I want to launch and it’s done that pretty fluidly. To the point where that’s basically all the start menu is for me. If they switch it to copilot without a way to disable it then I’ll probably permanently switch over to Linux when it’s time for an OS rebuild.
It works inconsistently for me to the point that I just can’t rely on it.
I can give a very recent example, my W11 has also be freshly installed and there’s not much stuff installed yet.
I have portable version of HWinfo located in My Documents folder.
If I start typing “hwi” into search it will sometimes find it, sometimes it will find it only if I type “hw” but not find it if I type “hwi” so if I type fast I must then delete character… And sometimes it needs me to type whole name of the application and sometimes it won’t find anything no matter what I type.
Then there is Riva Tuner Statistics Server which is an installed application located on C: in Program Files folder. It launches with RTSS.exe… It may as well not exist for Windows search because no matter what I type it can’t ever find it.
For me the trick was to disable web search. I don’t remember how I did it but you can Google it. Then it was really nice and fast, as it should’ve always been
Unfortunately it has a habit of jumping around due to its asynchronous weird fuzzy search. So when typing fast you sometimes randomly launch the wrong action. It is especially inconsistent, because files are also indexed and by default it also includes web searches so the behavior is always changing.
I believe this got introduced with Windows 10 and feels just bad. Unless you are typing slowly and actually scan the results the search is doing a bad job as an application launcher like it was with Windows 7 for example.
Did you put the application in the start menu during install?
Linux-onlyists have a tendency to not learn how anything works and then blame the “bad workflow” of the OS, so it’s kind of difficult to just assume you didn’t make a mistake.
yeah, I use my start button all the time to quickly open stuff. Hit start, start typing the program name, hit enter because it shows up immediately as a suggestion. super quick with no need to touch the mouse
I wouldn’t call it pointless, having another layer is quite handy. But I would like to see it adopt a more ambiguous name, sure Super or Meta is here but they haven’t caught on due to their logo still being plastered on the key.
I’m honestly a bit confused on what is the most pointless button in the world considering the command key is on Mac for why do I need a ctr replacement when ctr is right there the windows equivalent at least has the utility of exiting programs without closing them
Windows + Left/Right to dock screens, Windows + E for a quick file explorer, Windows + X for settings and dev options, Windows + P to adjust your second monitor, I’m sure there’s other hotkeys as well.
Win+X S U for sleep! I use it every night. My dog even knows when I press it from the pattern and immediately runs to the backdoor for his last potty of the night.
switch to linux and the Windows key becomes the Super key, unused in shortcuts by any application and so you can map it to whatever you want. super useful.
Only if it’s shipping as the default OS on hundreds of millions of new devices, and easy enough that a 65 yo can install their 12 year old copy of TurboTax software on it, while their grandson plays Roblox on it. :P
Gotta be usable by the lowest common denominator before the return window at a rural BestBuy is up.
Is this like the previous theory that Windows 12 would be subscription based?
“The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”
Saying “copilot is like the start button” is not saying “copilot will replace the start button”, the article is dishonest clickbait and stupid.
This is just MS taking another kick at Cortana, this time powered by LLM generative AI.
Remember those times when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows, as it will get to a free “Windows-as-a-Service” model? My ass, now
I can’t find the words to describe how absolutely fucking disgusted I am with the fact that we don’t even have 11 out in full swing and they’re talking about selling us 12 after the “10 would be the last” bullshit.
For fucks sake microturd, get your shit together and stop trying to bleed everyone dry… We know literally every other company in the world is doing that, but it doesn’t make it right… :/
This rage bait bullshit was debunked a long time ago, they never claimed 10 would be last and there’s no official word on 12 being Saas, all of this shit is just mad-boy anger fuel.
For people upset about the 10-is-the-last-version thing, even though where they said it was not an official communication and was probably either misstated or misunderstood, the tech media picked up on it and Microsoft knew that’s what people thought they said and they did nothing to dispel that notion, at all.
So on that one, there was a good reason to think that’s what they said, and since they let that very common misconception that was actively reported in the tech news media continue without any attempt to correct, the anger is every bit as justified as if Microsoft did actually say it.
They didn’t. That was an “evangelist” talking to Devs one time and the media ran with it.
They didn’t seem to dissuade anyone of the notion, but they never repeated it officially.
encourages me to move quickly to a linux distro of choice.
Fedora, Steam, Bottles.
Fedora/KDE for the quality support and stability of your Linux distro, Steam for, well, Steam, and Bottles for non-Steam games, that still lets you launch those games from inside Steam.
I almost switched around the 2007 to 2010 timeframe but they got a lot better with 7 and PowerShell closed the deal for me.
I’m now working more Linux into my daily usage to get a feel for what I’d need to do if I switch, and start solving those problems now, because if they do go this way, I’m probably going to jump ship. And they’ve made it even easier since I can still have PowerShell and C# and .NET on Linux now!
I am planning to change/ move to Ubuntu LTS during coming summer. Currently studying at university & don’t want disruptions with study activities. Compatibility issues etc.
For someone graduating in entrepreneurship, i believe Ubuntu with other open source software will be sufficient towards my main objectives at work life.
I only know of Win 7 and Win 10, never touch 8, 8.1 nor 11. I still use win10 at work and the start menu is very odd. I like to use the win key to summon the menu and search, but the behavior is very inconsistant, sometimes it’s fast, sometimes very slow, sometimes I can search, sometimes not, sometimes it gives me the file/app i am looking for, and sometimes it decides to go for bing results. I must admit, I actully never ever navigate the menu itself appart from turning off the laptop. It is a very slow and inefficient design element in my opinon.
Edit: typed the below is a response to someone else’s comment, but I thought it would also be good for me to say in here, to elaborate on my initial comment.
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Fedora/KDE, Steam, Bottles.
Fedora for the quality support and stability of your Linux distro, Steam for, well, Steam, and Bottles for non-Steam games, that still lets you launch those games from inside Steam.
Shop around with desktop and distro, but remember it’s not Windows. If you’re looking for it to be Windows, you’re never be happy with it. There is Windows things to unlearn.
Wow. I was just taking a break from an ethics assignment whether Copilot is ethical to use while developing code, and then I see this post.
I believe Copilot is mostly ethical to use in development, as a tool. This is just Microsoft trying to force Copilot into a place where it wasn’t meant to be and will lead to so much wasted electricity.
It’s like taking the MVP in Baseball and forcing him to play Tennis and expecting good results against Tennis pros. Stop shoehorning good AI tools into the wrong places that are better equipped using different tools.
Windows 12 is already a failure and it hasn’t even been formally announced yet. Congrats Microsoft! You’ve successfully failed for the second time in a row to deliver a windows version that most users actually like even to the slightest bit.
I guess the actual YOTLD will finally arrive after 20 years.
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