The only difference between a humane and an inhumane death, is whether or not it leaves a mess.

A person can be killed instantly through many different means.

As we know it, to be killed painlessly, is to be killed instantly.

If you instantly destroy a person’s entire brain then they died without pain.

Yet the most effective ways of instantly destroying someone’s entire brain are considered inhumane.

If instantly killing someone by smashing their head with a massive rock, or shooting them in the brain stem is inhumane, then there is no humane way to kill someone at all.

elephantium,

Oof, -11. This should have been posted in !unpopularopinion

ThatWeirdGuy1001,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

I posted it there as well but people tend to be very touchy about human death regardless of circumstances.

I for one don’t care what condition my body is in after I die as long as physically I didn’t feel anything.

elephantium,

That makes me think of the Klingons from Star Trek “It is only an empty shell; do with it as you will.”

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Inert gas asphyxiation is considered as painless.

Accordingly, the human subject detects little abnormal sensation as the oxygen level falls. This leads to asphyxiation (death from lack of oxygen) without the painful and traumatic feeling of suffocation (the hypercapnic alarm response, which in humans arises mostly from carbon dioxide levels rising), or the side effects of poisoning.

daddyjones,
@daddyjones@lemmy.world avatar

As we know it, to be killed painlessly, is to be killed instantly

This is not necessarily true. There are ways to fall asleep and never wake up. Not instant, but painless.

oo1,

Careful, you might to get crucified for ths opinion.

Michal,

That would be inhumane

yata,

ITT: Psychopaths failing to understand that not all people are psychopaths.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

No.

Daxter101,

I mean, there is no humane way to kill someone.

But on the USA death penalty issue, yes, generally choices about how it is carried out, are made with the spectators in mind, and the process itself is made more torturous in order to make it look better. (John Oliver has some great information in his death penalty video)

Oszilloraptor,

And (afaik) with the executors mental health in mind as well.

e.g. if you just crush a head with a stone you will know you did it.

If two others and you have to push a button you can tell yourself that it’s more probable you didn’t kill somebody than that you did.

oo1,

What about when it's their choice, like euthanasia?

RootBeerGuy,
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Well you certainly chose an appropriate username.

Pons_Aelius,

Why did you think killing someone (murder) could ever be humane in the first place?

ThatWeirdGuy1001,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

Because the death penalty exists.

Because people are currently sentenced to execution even in the United States.

To those humans who are sentenced to death, why not choose a method that is instantaneous death, rather than something that can potentially fail.

I’d rather die instantly from a rock or a 12 gauge shell to the head than be injected or electrocuted.

Pons_Aelius,

Here is a tip: The world is not the USA...

If you are complaining about something that happens in the USA, say so.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

But he isn’t wrong, executions are regularly business everywhere except in EU Countrys.

Pons_Aelius,

144 countries had abolished the death penalty in law

The EU is a lot bigger than I thought...

Sorry, but there are more countries without the death penalty than with it.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Abolished death penalty by law but still regularly kill people. And i said EU because its the only “continent” without it, excluding Russia. Its not necessary to name every individual country.

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

The top 8 most populated countries still have it. Just those 8 (not including other countries where it’s legal) make up ~4.3 billion people. Over half of the global population.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

We do it everyday since we started existing, its completely normal.

Pons_Aelius,

We do it

Sorry but do not include the rest of us in whatever you are trying to justify.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

We as in humanity.

Pons_Aelius,

144 countries had abolished the death penalty in law

Sorry, but there are more countries without the death penalty than with it.

Again, don't include the sane nations in your we.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Death penalty isn’t the only way to kill people…

Murder, War, “Police” Violence, “Military interventions (totally 3 days only)”…

Solumbran,

And no one would qualify those as “humane” either. So the argument still stands.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

No it doesn’t.

There is a difference between shooting a invader of your house/country and capturing him and torturing to death.

Solumbran,

There is a difference, but if you start saying that shooting an invader is humane, you have a serious problem.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

It is because of the way it is, otherwise he shoots you and rapes your children. (No exaggeration, Russians did that)

Solumbran,

That sounds like your average american too.

Nonetheless, if you start thinking that killing is humane because “they deserve it”, I will repeat myself, you have a serious problem.

Because I’m pretty sure that this horrible rapist invader is also convinced that you deserve it, yet I don’t believe you would find their behaviour humane for that reason.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Sounds like you support Russia.

Solumbran,

Because I said that killing is inhumane?

Oh I forgot, Russia doesn’t kill anyone, silly me /s

elephantium,

if you start thinking that killing is humane because “they deserve it”, I will repeat myself, you have a serious problem.

Fair enough. While I don’t subscribe to pacifism, I do prefer that self-defense be regarded as an unfortunate necessity. Celebrating violence isn’t going to help us.

Solumbran,

It can be a necessity and still be inhumane.

Having to do something does not make it good, and it’s fine as long as people see it.

elephantium,

Self-defense is inhumane? Call out the invader first, please, then we can talk about whether the defender is overdoing it.

Solumbran,

Killing is inhumane.

Killing in self defense might be necessary, yet it does not become humane just because you want it to.

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

How about euthanasia?

Solumbran,

It’s a weird edge case that is between killing and assisted suicide, assuming there is consent.

Euthanasia without consent seems not so humane to me, but once again it is an edge case that is still hard to define.

elephantium,

Most people are subject to the death penalty. The world population is approaching 8.1 billion souls. The ten most populous nations are India, China, the US, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Brazil, Bangladesh, Russia, and Mexico, adding up to 4.6 billion – over half the planet.

Of those, only Mexico has abolished the death penalty (though Brazil is listed as “extreme only” and Russia is listed as “suspended”, having not officially executed anyone in the past decade*). Putting these together, at least 4.1 billion people out of the “first 4.6” that I looked at live under the specter of the death penalty.

I don’t think you can no-true-scotsman your way out of the simple fact that it’s still “normal” for humans to kill other humans. I also don’t think that acknowledging that fact requires that you endorse the practice.

*whoa, is this a case where RUSSIA is more sane than the USA?! Strange times.

I looked up the population info on www.worldometers.info/…/population-by-country/ and cross-referenced with the site you posted.

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

To understand why it’s legal in the USA you have to first understand how the US’s government is structured. The Federal Government actually doesn’t hold that much power, the most power is held by the States which decide on issues like this for themselves.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cbdd057c-2df7-4656-9849-56b45a23d87a.jpeg

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/07/19/10-facts-about-the-death-penalty-in-the-u-s/

elephantium,

Oh, I understand quite well why it’s legal in the US. It’s been a topic of some debate my entire life here.

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