interesting. I haven’t engaged in any online dialog about the expanse so maybe this is a super unpopular opinion but I felt the actor seemed really uncomfortable with the swearing and didn’t start off as that kind of character and just weirdly changed one episode
Amos on the other hand was incredible. He, Drummer, Draper and Miller really carried that show.
Thomas Jane was also fantastic. Same with Jared Harris. Shame they couldn’t secure him for later appearances, his character is great and he did the belta accent so well.
Yeah, but that was said in a movie where they could potentially have sweared as much as they wanted to. Or at least acknowledged that ‘dumbass’ wouldn’t be some shocking thing to a guy from the future.
Yeah, it’s like the transporters. They were originally made due to the limitations of making a TV show (budget didn’t allow a landing sequence every episode) but they’ve become an established part of the universe now.
I like the old shows more because everyone acts appropriately to their rank and station. In the new shows a captain can go like “fuck this ima go punch someone and act super emotional and irrational” because that’s what a star fleet captain or anyone star fleet would actually do.
Right. And nobody cares because he’s the best man for the job for some reason.
I also miss professionals exploring space, solving problems with science and diplomacy, engaged in intriguing stories that explored the complex moral and ethical issues of the day instead of just blowing shit up all the time and with some superficial lip-service pandering to certain social issues just to appease fans but without much more lasting presence than mere tokenism and self back-patting for the effort.
TOS: In the future, Americans and Russians will work side by side
TNG: where do we draw the line between respecting foreign cultures and respecting trans people? (BTW this is still relevant. Ask a Hispanic conservative their opinion on “latine”)
DS9: Gee it sure was fucked that we couldn’t have black people as Starfleet captains until now. Let’s show you exactly what the 50s were like for black people
VOY: Hey what if we hired a fraud as a native American consultant and made the captain a massive racist for drama?
ENT: It’s a prequel, so we have to make Starfleet less progressive somehow. I know, make the black and the Asian the lowest ranking officers on the ship and give them the worst writing
DIS: idk I didn’t watch it but apparently they think nonbinary people are new to Star Trek
PIC: Let’s make the worst and most right wing part of the Borg a central plot point I guess
SNW: Star Trek is finally getting a blind actor! And we’re gonna kill him off after one season!
LDS: Hey what if we tried being progressive again and made a black lesbian a well written main character without either of those things being plot relevant because it’s the future and these things aren’t marginalised anymore?
PRO: I like where your head’s at Lower Decks, but let’s also ask thorny questions about the value of cultural isolationism without giving a simple right answer
DSC: you want trans people to be seen in Trek? How about we make the only trans character a fucking ghost so they’re only visible to the only enby person in the galaxy, further isolating them both! How’s that for ‘being seen’? And, of course, because they’re both LGBTQ characters, they have to be in a tortured relationship. Sigh…
The queer characters in that show were written as queer first and people second, resulting in them just coming off as token caricatures rather than solid characters that feel like real people.
Now, PIC… apparently, the 25th century is the century of the potty mouth! It’s old man Picard and old man Riker dropping f-bombs left and right. Even old lady Seven getting in on the fun.
My favorite instance of swearing is in one of the TNG movies (can’t remember which one cuz it’s been forever) when the Enterprise is going down and Data looks up at the viewscreen and the land is coming up fast and he just shouts “Oh shiiiiiit!”
Yeah, you’ve kinda just gotta suspend your disbelief. I’m going back and watching House for the first time since it ended, and it is RIDICULOUS how much these characters don’t swear at each other.
Truth. I thought the show turned Naomi and Holden into twats but they did a pretty good job with Chrisjen. I’m still mad about the Arjun bamboozle. Arjun 1 is best Arjun.
Yeah they chose weird edges to soften. Make Amos less intimidating and batshit? No sir, my boy is supposed to be a crayon eater restrained just barely by Naomi, Holden or his love for children.
I feel like most of it comes from the lack of forced perspective in the show. You never really see stuff from certain characters angles like you do in the book.
The show could only show a generic third person perspective, you never really got holdens insights from the chapters from his perspective, or Naomi’s from hers. So they kinda blurred together in the show I found.
This is a good point. We never get that internal monologue from Holden like in the books. In the first season, at least, I feel Ike they stripped out that key component from Holden’s personality where he would talk before he would fight.
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