quindraco,

That’s a weird reaction. Why not just ignore the bill entirely? It’s not like a municipality has any viable enforcement mechanism against what amounts to a smartphone app.

Cleverdawny,

They can easily start fining Lyft and Uber.

cdf12345,

That’s a weird takeaway from this.

Govt: we believe that companies that employ people in our community should have to pay the established legal minimum wage.

Companies: we are only able to profit by paying non livable wages.

Lemmy user: yes company, keep exploiting your workers and breaking the laws all businesses have to follow, I mean they can’t really catch you.

reddig33,

“Govt: we believe that companies that employ people in our community should have to pay the established legal minimum wage.”

…Unless they are waiters or waitresses.

thepianistfroggollum,

Waiters and waitresses still get paid minimum wage (not tipped minimum) if their tips and wages are less than minimum wage.

Well, they’re supposed to at least.

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

Supposed to is the important part there, wage theft is depressingly common.

thepianistfroggollum,

Definitely true, which is why I included that line.

But, the truth is that if you’re not doing well enough as a server to hit minimum wage in tips, you’re probably going to get let go anyways. It’s stupid easy to get minimum wage in tips.

TheYear2525,

I’ll just do the rest of the thread, since it’s the same every time:

They actually do have to pay minimum wage if you don’t make at least that in tips.

Yeah, but if you try to get them to do it, they’ll fire you!

Being unwilling to stick up for your rights is a different claim entirely

Must be nice being privileged, asshole!

Must suck being too cowardly to stick up for yourself!

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iopq,

Lemmy so efficient, even the flame threads are prefilled for you

Brawndo,

That is a weird takeaway from this.

Government: We believe that you need to pay your workers more because we feel like it's not enough.

Companies: The workers agreed to the pay when they signed on. If you make us pay them more, we cannot afford to pay the workers without raising our rates to levels that people don't want to pay for.

Government: You will pay them more money.

Companies: We can't afford to do that so we will be pulling out of this area and now they will make exactly $0 and now people have fewer transportation options.

Government: We did it, we successfully raised people's earnings to $0! pats self on back for a job well done

cdf12345,

How is this any different than a fast food chain illegally paying someone under minimum wage? Then getting shut down for not acting legally?

If you can follow the laws, you don’t exist.

Everyone else has to play by the labor laws rules. If you can’t afford it, go out of business.

deur,

Stupid take, incredibly dumb.

Burn_The_Right,

Found the conservative!

thepianistfroggollum,

The problem with your scenario is that you’re assuming an increase in payroll expenses will have enough of an affect on the company’s profit margin for them to go negative.

This is almost never the case, and if your business can’t survive without paying slave wages, then your business doesn’t deserve to survive.

The truth is that companies don’t want to raise wages because they’re on a quest to hoard as much wealth as possible. Just look. The country is in a recession and corpos are reporting record profits.

steltek,

It’s at least worth pointing out that Uber in particular broke several laws to establish themselves in various markets and never suffered any real punishment.

Ertebolle,

Sure they do, they can fine them and if they don't comply they can go to state court to get it enforced. Individuals may be able to flout overdue tolls or traffic tickets or whatever for a while, but it's extremely easy to impose a fine on a public corporation.

FMT99,

Great, just get the heck out of here with your gig market profiteering.

Parmesan5581,

Further proof that if they could pay you less (or nothing), they happily would.

Aesculapius,
@Aesculapius@kbin.social avatar

Good! Providing a cheap service at the cost of the staff doing the work is not acceptable.

This is all just grandstanding anyway. They may leave, but likely they will just increase their rates.

TheBest,

Exactly. I envision them threatening to leave, but ultimately not taking the revue hit by raising prices for the end users.

I don’t agree with profits over everything. I anticipate the public narrative blaming the drivers or politicians for them exiting the market, but in my opinion its their own corporate greed thats pushing them out. This is unfair and people shouldn’t be vilified for standing up for workers rights.

VentraSqwal,

It’s like when Amazon threatened to leave NY when AOC was campaigning for higher minimum wage over there or whatever it was. I forget the exact details, but the point is that it ended up being a bluff and of course they stayed.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no. People might have to use regular taxis.

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

Or maybe just take a walk, use public transit, ride a bike, or use some other sort of https://lemmy.world/c/micromobility!

andrewta,

Public transport in Minneapolis/St. Paul sucks

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

Coincidence?

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

What public transport

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

The one in your heart?

Diplomjodler,

When scummy companies like that are really pissed off about a new policy, that policy is exactly the right thing to do.

IWantToFuckSpez,

Okay bye bye. It’s not like they suddenly take all the drivers and their cars with them. Are they forgetting what business they are in? All they do is match drivers with passengers. Some other scrappy startup can easily fill that gap when they leave. Uber became only big because of first mover advantage and cut throat capitalism. Their tech is not groundbreaking.

kent_eh,

Hell, Uber isn’t even the only business in the “ride share” category at the moment.

Most cities have at least one other similar business already.

Zorque,

Like Lyft? The other rideshare app in the article?

Countmacula,

Ha anything to avoid responsibility

SeaJ,

Considering they are not really any cheaper than taxis, no biggie.

SheeEttin,

They’re much nicer, though. That’s why they’ve been successful.

Kuro,

Oh no, they’ll have to pay their employees half the cost of living…

… Anyways

LEDZeppelin,

“Allow us to exploit the labor or we will leave the market”

Same excuse since the dawn of slavery

Stinkywinks,

And then was born a 3rd competitor.

sirico,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Oh no…anyway

STUPIDVIPGUY,

GTFO of Minneapolis if you can’t pay your employees you don’t deserve to do business here

Speculater,

Someone else will backfill the need.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

don’t threaten me with a good time

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