average650,
@average650@lemmy.world avatar

Edge used to be unique,but then they just copied chromium.... It had much smaller scrolling which was great on touch screens. Now I have no reason to use it.

siriusmart,

opera also used to maintain their own browser engine if i remembered correctly, but they all just dipped

DrBluefall,

Opera did have its own engine; it was a proprietary one named Presto.

Woedenaz,
@Woedenaz@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

And it was really great and innovative for its time. Presto was pressing the envelope for so long while other browser engines were happy to do the bare minimum.

It’s really a shame they just moved to making their own Chromium skin but making and maintaining a Browser engine is expensive. It really is quite impressive that Firefox has lasted this long.

beanland,

Yeah, didn't Opera invent tabbed browsing? Huge game changer.

Woedenaz,
@Woedenaz@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

They sure did! That was the main reason why I swapped to Opera from Firefox forever ago. I believe they also were the first to make the landing page where you could click regular sites that you wanted to go to as well as saving your browser session when it’s closed or crashes, restoring it when you next launch.

NotMyOldRedditName,

I think part of the problem was websites needing to work on other browsers too. When it's your own engine if a website doesn't test against it, the website might be broken. So then the websites say they don't support such and such browser.

Less of an issue when its all chromium.

We run into problems on safari a lot like this

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@feddit.de avatar

Opera is also Chinese Spyware...

SCmSTR,

Proof?

Edit: I used to use it years ago and somebody I know is considering switching from Chrome to it and I've not heard anything about this.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@feddit.de avatar

Opera is owned by a Chinese company, and China companys need to suck their governments balls wich is common knowledge. Also its all chromium Anyway. Use Firefox.

Eheran,

So it is like browsers out of the USA then with their secret (company is not allowed to tell anyone about it) data draining laws?

Balssh,

On the flipside, atm Edge seems to be the better Chromium choice (if you don’t have a Microsoft hate boner).

Dirk,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

So I need to install Windows to use a “better Chromium choice” than Vivaldi?

Balssh,

Afaik Edge is available on Linux too. Haven’t tried it there yet as I am on the edge (hehe) about switching from Windows to Linux as daily driver.

SatyrSack,

Edge is available as a DEB and RPM, as well as Flatpak

animist,
@animist@lemmy.one avatar

Edge is available on Linux

SCmSTR,

Let's be clear: it's a very good browser, very HTML5 compliant, and perhaps one of the best browsers...

...Assuming you don't care about insane amounts of spyware - AND not having a lot of really cool browser add-ons (those having spyware and memory leaks is a separate topic, but I want to acknowledge these problems).

Edge makes more calls home per second than any other piece of software on my computer. I looked at my live log and it was a literal stream. Nearly every single action you do is tracked and sent.... (waves hands confusingly up in the air in circles) ...somewhere. Likely Microsoft, but I really don't know.

Almost all of Windows is like this too. I hate it so much. There's just no great way to have nice things right now.

shreddy_scientist,
@shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml avatar

Ladybird should add another option at least, I’m curious to see it in action.

buycurious,

“Wait, it’s all Chrome?”

“Always has been 🌏👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀🌌”

yesdogishere,

sadly, firefox is in fact hte lone bastion against the tide of evil. And even now, we need to abandon MS and IOS. I am not even sure Linux is thsat good. We need a new OS which will defeat all virii. Yes, an OS built on completely new mechanics, to again begin the new pc revolution!

averagedrunk,

I’ve been using TempleOS to fight back against the demons.

LiarBesidalAll,

Dude was insane… But he made a hell of an OS lmao

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

you bastard. I though some nifty form of linux was out. That was a cringe click.

WouldYouLikeAnyToast,

I am not even sure Linux is thsat good.

I've been using linux mint for a year or two now maybe. It's fine, and actually there are several things I prefer compared to Windows.

One of the main issues with Linux as a PC OS is that you can't run as much different software as you can on Windows. This is largely due to the user base being smaller(IE, why develop an application for an OS when 99% of you userbase is not using that OS).

Creating a new OS to compete with Windows would have the same issue, and would also struggle to compete.

Also, there are so many different versions of Linux(distros), as in there are 600+ different distros so if you don't like one, there are many to choose from. Not liking Linux based on one distro is saying you don't like ice cream because you tried strawberry ice cream and didn't like the taste.

Contramuffin,

That's my main complaint with Linux. I really want to switch over, but the software compatibility is abysmal, and I would rather not run a virtual machine or dual boot. I'm really glad that Valve is at least helping out with software compatibility on the gaming side, but compatibility really just needs to improve across all software in general

LollerCorleone,
@LollerCorleone@kbin.social avatar

Firefox ftw!

CIWS-30,

This is why I use Firefox. I honestly don't think that a browser engine monopoly is good for the world. Single point of failure for everyone with no alternatives is very bad if something nasty happens.

I think the creators of WINE said something similar about one of their reasons for creating WINE. Wish more browsers would use Gecko.

_I_,
@_I_@kbin.social avatar

I actually use Edge as a daily, but I also use Firefox because I want to support them. Unfortunately, Edge and Chrome are superior to Firefox in performance. Edge especially is really really great at resource management, and it doesn't matter if I have 1 or 700 tabs and windows open. It'll manage it without any issues. Firefox however, won't. Sure, it's rich in features and it's very very flexible, but it's not as stable or fast as the former.

Still love Firefox, though!

Facni,

Well if you use Firefox Nightly with ad-blockers and the latest version of Windows Defender the performance will be comparable to edge and chrome, the only thing is that Firefox uses the RAM that you are not using and that means if you have something open it will run slower.

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

cpu and memory on my firefox and edge are about equivalent but I have some browser add ons for managing lots of tabs. I have way more on firefox because its my main browser but I have a fair amount on edge which I use like scratchpad.

TONKAHANAH,
@TONKAHANAH@lemmy.world avatar

I just wish chrome wasnt so fucking useful by comparison. its integration into my android phone is equal to none. the firefox browser on android is ok but it does not integrate quite as well as the whole google platform. then there's the performance on linux. I hate to say it but chrome feels so much smoother and nicer to use on linux than even firefox does. I've tried making the full switch to firefox several times, last time I daily drove it for probably almost 3 months but eventually found my way back to chrome, it was just a more enjoyable experience.

then there is the fact that every website builds their code to ensure it works with chrome, that is one advantage of chrome being the vast majority of the browser user pool, web devs can focus on making sure the one thing works really well.

that all said, just like wine and linux, it is important that we have a completely separate alternative so we're not entirely reliant should the ship start to sink. I've already fully converted to linux and its been my daily driver for a few years now, not looking back. I know plenty of people are still on windows but with ever new release it feels like they're doing more and more to punch holes in the SS.Windows ship and i'll eventually be a sinking boat for enough people who see that an alternative exists. Same will need to be said for chrome vs firefox

buxtonwater,
@buxtonwater@lemmy.ml avatar

Firefox supremacy! Keep the non-chromiuim branch alive forevermore, no centralization please.

illogical_virtues,
@illogical_virtues@kbin.social avatar

"everything is Chrome in the future!"

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Then there’s Safari on iOS….

MT_Book_Wyrm,

I would love to use Firefox more regularly, but the shortcut keys built into the browser are a pain in the butt. I haven't found a way to turn off the onboard keybindings so my own system wide keybinds will work.

Any tips would be appreciated greatly!

IsThisLemmyOpen,

Meanwhile on iOS, bottom image is all Safari.

gkd,
@gkd@lemmy.ml avatar

Hopefully not for much longer…

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Peter Parker saw more clearly when his glasses were off.

iamhazel,
@iamhazel@beehaw.org avatar

Samsung browser is chromium based?

ttmx,

Yep

Bumblebb,

What happened to brave?

ttmx,

Nothing happened, it’s just always been chromium

dustojnikhummer,

Wasn't always, it had it's own engine very early

ttmx,

It was Electron, which is chromium :P

PrivateOnions,

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  • CaptainMinnette,

    For years Firefox on Windows had this weird random bug for me where audio just would not work at random times. I tried every fix imaginable. I spent hours crawling the internet trying to find a solution. Couldn’t fix it. I’ve used it on Linux but not on Windows for a few years now; I’m going to be doing a fresh install of Windows on my computer soon, so we’ll see if the bug finally disappears then.

    Contramuffin,

    I do that (100+ tabs open at any given time) due to my work (research tends to take up a ton of windows) and because I’m too scatterbrained to focus on a single thing at once, but even then I find that Firefox is really good and arguably better than Chrome. Maybe Chrome has improved since I switched over, but Firefox uses significantly less resources than the Chrome that I remember

    hare_ware,

    I have ~800 tabs open in Firefox, no real issues unless I flip through all of them or Tab Groups shuffles them all around. My desktop until recently was over a decade old and the new one is barely any faster.

    AndreTelevise,
    @AndreTelevise@lemmy.world avatar

    I only have three extensions - uBlock Origin, a 3rd party password manager, and SponsorBlock. A fairly minimal setup with only the things I need. Even the Return YT Dislikes extension is not as necessary as people would think.

    AgentOrangesicle,
    @AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

    You sound like someone that doesn't open 200+ tabs of furry adult imagery on e621 while playing processor intensive games.

    I mean... I'm obviously not that person either, but it would be cool to have the RAM to support it or the correct web browser if I was that type of person. But I'm not. But having that capability would be nice (not because I need it).

    ...I don't look at furry porn.

    burgundymyr,

    32GB of RAM is less than $50, I just built a new PC, and it was the easiest upgrade I made to my build, regardless of what you put in your tabs

    ShittyKopper,

    32GB of RAM is less than $50

    Cool, now how much is it outside “the US and maybe select parts of Europe where it’s close enough”? Because not all the world uses dollars, and certainly not US dollars.

    burgundymyr,

    Probably depends on where you are, how much is it for you?

    ShittyKopper,

    It ultimately doesn’t matter where I am from. I’m just trying to highlight the fact that not all the world is the US.

    burgundymyr,

    I'm relatively familiar with the global population distribution, but not at all familiar with the pricing differences. It's the price of RAM drastically different outside the US?

    buxtonwater,
    @buxtonwater@lemmy.ml avatar

    I run at 16GB of RAM and have 40+ tabs open 24/7. There are zero RAM issues, you need to plug your leaks.

    Willer,

    No cap ong

    MrFunnyMoustache,

    Even when having 500+ tabs, Firefox is very stable.

    stalling4866,

    Linux setup (PopOS) - Home and daily driver.

    1. Firefox (hardened): My go to everyday browser
    2. Firefox Beta: For financial sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
    3. Firefox Nightly: For other sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
    4. Brave: for use with just one site for reading with Dark Reader extension.
    5. Firefox Developer’s Edition (hardened): Another option, as needed.

    Windows setup - Home. Really only use for disc media ripping and burning.

    1. Firefox (hardened)

    Windows setup - Work

    1. Firefox (hardened): Daily driver
    2. Chrome: For when something doesn’t want to work on hardened Firefox.
    Eheran,

    What do you mean with hardened? Why beta for financial stuff?

    stalling4866,

    Hardened = Firefox hardening. Hardening is an option that I choose to implement to improve some aspects of privacy and security of beyond the out of the box Firefox factory settings. I use the settings as recommended in the book, Extreme Privacy - 4th Edition (2002) by Michael Bazzell.

    I use the Firefox beta version only for one specific financial account (Chase) that will not work with hardened Firefox. I use the the Firefox beta version with no changes to the default out of the box settings. Using the Firefox beta version allows me to log in to my Chase account while still connected to my VPN.

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