Dnn,

Poor Windows NT.

w2tpmf,

NT was 4.0 and the same basic operating system as 95 but with server services.

davidgro,

Different kernel. 95 was still DOS based. I believe a significant amount of stuff (especially drivers of course) which worked on one side didn’t work on the other.

XP was the “merger” - the first NT based system for the consumer market.

Nougat,

XP was the “merger” - the first NT based system for the consumer market.

You're thinking of Windows 2000. Win2K was released before Windows ME, and was widely sold on consumer market computers. When ME came out, and was pretty terrible, Win2K remained as the popular consumer option.

davidgro,

A lot of people did use it on home computers (myself included) but the target was still businesses. XP had TV ads and colorful themes, and all that, while Windows 2000… Didn’t. (Well maybe on C-SPAN or something) And the most basic (major) edition was “Professional” instead of something like “Home” as XP had.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the big box computer makers did ship with it to home users, but it wasn’t “meant” for them.

9point6,

Yeah windows ME came out around the same time as 2000 and was the consumer targeted OS

Nougat,

The googles tells me that Win2K was released Feb 17, 2000, and that ME was released Sep 14, 2000. Plenty of time for word to get out about how much better 2000 was than 9x even for home use.

9point6,

Ah but in reality that wasn’t entirely the case, direct X compatible drivers were a big sticking point basically until XP came along. Windows 2000 was fantastic as a productivity OS, but it wasn’t fully there for the home user yet

Nougat,

I do recall that for some heavier (in 2000 lol) gaming, people stuck with 9x for a while longer, until better gaming support for 2K came around at least.

elscallr,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

It was also a lot more expensive than Windows 9x/me, so most consumer desktops went that way. The only people running 2000 were professionals and nerds that weren’t running Linux.

Nougat,

Oh sure - the intent was for it to be a business-centric OS, it definitely was not flashy, but it was just so much better than 9x that plenty of computer makers made it available, and lots of people chose it over 98SE.

9point6,

There was actually an NT 3.1 IIRC

Hildegarde,

NT was a parallel line of “professional” windows. It had a different kernel or something. There were equivalent versions to most of the home releases.

The first release was NT 3.1, to match version numbers with the home OS.

NT 4 was the professional version of win 95/98.

In the year 2000 Microsoft released both Windows ME, and Windows 2000. ME for the home, 2000 was the NT release for the workplace.

The products were merged with windows XP, now all windows is windows NT.

The version numbering makes sense if you count by the NT version numbers. 2000/ME is version 5, therefore XP is 6, and if you pretend Vista never existed (as you should for your own sanity) you get to windows 7 and it all starts to make sense.

Walop,
gon,
@gon@lemmy.world avatar

ill be downloading this image thank you very much

CarnivorousCouch,

You wouldn’t download an image

w2tpmf,

Windows 95, 98, me were kernel version 4.0+

Windows 2000 was kernel 5.0

XP and Vista were 6.0 and 6.1

Windows 10 had to be called that because the naming convention used on Windows 95/98 caused someware to see the OS as version 9.x

StinkyDave,

I came here for this answer.

Soundhole,

Honestly, I just wish they would ditch that disgusting foot logo. I hate it.

croobat,
@croobat@lemmy.world avatar

Bro thinks he is Nickelodeon 😭

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

You’d think LXQT would have foot logo.

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

As I tell my wife, feet are gross.

Hyperi0n,

Your poor wife.

pimeys,
@pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io avatar

Maybe to a paw?

voidMainVoid,

Of all the things wrong with GNOME, their choice of logo is at the bottom of the list.

HeyMrDeadMan,

Their insistence that it be pronounced ‘guh-nome’ is a worse crime.

mindbleach,

GNU as the animal or the initials, okay, sure. Debatable. Gnome is a whole-ass word. That is ridiculous.

Up there with QT insisting their name isn’t Q-T. The initials are a word. If you wanted it pronounced Qute you should’ve called it that.

Faresh,

I thought you were very much not supposed to read the G?

beveradb,

/r/whoosh

Faresh,

You mean !woooosh or c/[email protected].

lontong,
@lontong@kbin.social avatar
whodoctor11, (edited )

At least KDE team knows how to count

robbankz,

and also make a top notch desktop environment and thats on a bad day including the bugs

InverseParallax,

They did all their bloat on one day back in 2008 and have been smooth as silk since.

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Everything should be date-based name releases.

If it’s released April, 2023 it should be 23.04 or similar.

Other schemes are arbitrary.

Change my mind.

sohrabbehdani,
@sohrabbehdani@lemmy.world avatar

somehow i agree with you.

irmoz,

AFAIK only Unity does this

YonatanAvhar,

I’ve seen many projects do it, Ubuntu, KDE Applications (not Plasma itself), and Helix are the first ones that come to mind

Araozu,

Marketing version (23.04 or just 23) and semver (3.11.3)

Change my mind

bjornp_,

I’m partial to semver where it makes sense and date based releases where it doesn’t. At my work we use <year>.<month>.<version> like 2023.7.v2 for template releases but semver for apps with APIs and such

FaeDrifter,

How would you differentiate between versions with major api breaks?

bjornsno,

Shhh, they don’t know what that means, let them live in bliss

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Lol. Developers just need to know what date the api changed. Viola.

bjornsno,

Gotta know, are you serious or joking here? Follow up question: are you a developer and have you ever worked on a medium+ sized project? The amount of dependencies you end up with is astounding, you can’t just “know” when all those APIs changed, that would be a full time job just to stay on top of. And that’s not even taking into consideration transitive dependencies. If a library doesn’t use semantic versioning, 99% of the time it’s correct to avoid it just to save yourself the headache.

SkyeStarfall,

They both serve different purposes

KDE Plasma does its versioning to follow QT versioning, which does its versioning in that way to signify API breaks.

But for something else like, say, the Linux kernel, which does not break compatibility in that manner, date-based would make more sense.

jjjalljs,

Semantic versioning. If I have 1.0.0 and you release 1.1.0 I can be pretty confident it’s safe to update. If you release 2.0.0 I need to read the release notes and see what broke.

If I have version July2023 and you release August2023 I have no information about if it’s safe to update. That’s terrible. That’s really bad.

This is for dependency management and maybe apis more than OSs, but in general semantic versioning is a very good system. It should be used often.

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Alright I think I saw been somewhat convinced by this. But I also think the date should be included in some way.

blackbelt352,

I really like X.Y.Z

X is for major overhauls. Y is for a new individual feature added or dramatically reworked, Z is for bug fixes, updates and polish.

Like Blender is currently on 3.6. They had a dramatic major program wide overhaul a few years ago. And since then have been adding new features and reworking old ones in major 3.X releases, and occasionally have smaller updates and fixes in between, giving us 3.X.Y updates.

BangersAndMash,

The only thing I don’t like about that versioning system is the ambiguity that can sometimes arise due to different interpretations of what the numbers after the first dot mean.

You could either say: It’s a decimal system, therefore 3.4 is bigger (comes after) 3.13. (3.4 > 3.13) or, The numbers after each dot are independent, therefore 13 is bigger than 4, so 13 is the newer release.

It’s usually fairly obvious from changelings but every now and then I get tripped up.

blackbelt352,

For versioning I always viewed the numbers as independent from each other, just like with ip addresses.

mindbleach,

I thought Linux Mint did this, but apparently they’re kinda fuzzy about it? Which was not great to learn when I went to update an old laptop, and briefly thought the project had just died.

I had to type this three times because Lemmy closes the comment box and dumps whatever you had typed, if you upvote another comment while it’s open. That’s objectively terrible.

NikkiDimes,

I had to type this three times because Lemmy closes the comment box and dumps whatever you had typed, if you upvote another comment while it’s open. That’s objectively terrible.

Yikes, that is terrible. What client are you using?

mindbleach,

Lemmy.world in a current web browser.

NikkiDimes,

Tesla updates basically use that format, it’s pretty nice imo. “year.week.revision”, so for example 2023.29.3

amycatgirl,
@amycatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Gnome 40/41/etc is still 3.40/3.41/etc if I remember correctly

sohrabbehdani,
@sohrabbehdani@lemmy.world avatar

no they just decided to make 4.0 into 40

InverseParallax,

Lessons learned from the software masterpiece that was Solaris no doubt.

eleefece,
@eleefece@lemmy.world avatar

Also Firefox, please stop

d_k_bo,

I’ll likely call it 6.0 since I’m starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again.

~ Linus Torvalds

pete_the_cat,

I was looking a Linus/Linux comment, I was trying to remember at what point Linus said “I’m incrementing the major version because these numbers are getting too big, there is no major advancement”.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Mac OS: Cat, Dog, Cow, Panther, Some California park, your uncles house

LaggyKar,
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

And there is OpenSUSE: 10 11 12 13 42 15

MartinXYZ,

If 42 is a true to Sir Terry Pratchett, then I see anothing wrong with this.

InverseParallax,

Douglas adams.

Your geek credentials have been invalidated, sir please exit the internet immediately.

MartinXYZ,

Fuck. I know. I just woke up and haven’t had any coffee yet.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

We understand. Regardless, a rule is a rule. Now kindly GTFO.

Nir,

Wait, don’t they still have the option to pics or gtfo?

I move that we demand a cat tax in lieu of gtfo.

toasteecup,

Personally I’m fine with

Pics or GTFO

Where pics are one of

  • cat tax
  • tits
  • tasteful nudes
  • a very cool piece of a collection
rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Cat tax? Tits? Tasteful nudes? AI to the rescue! (NSFW)

InverseParallax,

Well, I guess the rules are the rules, as you were.

toasteecup,

Whelp. That’s definitely a thing I’ve seen now. Will admit I did say one of those options but here we are

mindbleach,

Mulligan.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

The system for tumbleweed is nice. There’s only one version : tumbleweed.

LaggyKar,
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

Really, you have a new version every few days, with the date as the version

tram1,

41>10>5

GNOME is clearly the best

SkyeStarfall,

What about windows 2000

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Or 3.1 -> NT 3 -> 95 -> NT 4 -> 98

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

It’s a superior ancient lost technology.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not until version 42

const_void,

Juking the version number was trendy there for a while. It happened to browser versions to. Firefox and Chrome went from like version 10 to 100.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

I remember waiting a long time between minor versions around the 2.x versions of Firefox. And then suddenly it was major version every time.

masterofn001,

By 2024 firefox will be on version 1043^624^x*12^69 where x is the latest version of chrome.

TenTypekMatus,
@TenTypekMatus@lemmy.world avatar

It’s like that because KDE is based on Qt. On 🪟, It’s because they don’t care, and on GNOME, it’s for aesthetic reasons.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

Can you explain the aesthetic reasoning for GNOME?

ianis,

women and gay men crave the big numbers

krakenx,

People in general crave the big numbers. It’s why Microsoft is so weird with Xbox naming. Having the Xbox 360 compete with the PlayStation 3 Vs “Xbox 2”.

Firefox also started inflating version numbers because the high version numbers Chrome was using made it look more updated.

drgeppo,

if i remember correctly when 3.40 was supposed to launch they just decided to drop the 3

joojmachine,

Simple, OP and some people just don’t know what they are talking about. There was no “aesthetic reason”.

One of the big changes in GNOME 40 (that would be 3.40) was the introduction of GTK4. People used to assume that the gnome major versioning scheme was tied to GTK, so loads of people were asking the devs when GNOME 4 was coming out.

To demistify this idea of one being tied to the other they just dropped the “3.”, specially since that part wasn’t that relevant and started with the 40.

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