mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

“It’s 34 versions ahead of cinnamon” -GNOME devs probably

TenTypekMatus,
@TenTypekMatus@lemmy.world avatar

It’s like that because KDE is based on Qt. On 🪟, It’s because they don’t care, and on GNOME, it’s for aesthetic reasons.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

Can you explain the aesthetic reasoning for GNOME?

ianis,

women and gay men crave the big numbers

krakenx,

People in general crave the big numbers. It’s why Microsoft is so weird with Xbox naming. Having the Xbox 360 compete with the PlayStation 3 Vs “Xbox 2”.

Firefox also started inflating version numbers because the high version numbers Chrome was using made it look more updated.

drgeppo,

if i remember correctly when 3.40 was supposed to launch they just decided to drop the 3

joojmachine,

Simple, OP and some people just don’t know what they are talking about. There was no “aesthetic reason”.

One of the big changes in GNOME 40 (that would be 3.40) was the introduction of GTK4. People used to assume that the gnome major versioning scheme was tied to GTK, so loads of people were asking the devs when GNOME 4 was coming out.

To demistify this idea of one being tied to the other they just dropped the “3.”, specially since that part wasn’t that relevant and started with the 40.

LaggyKar,
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

And there is OpenSUSE: 10 11 12 13 42 15

MartinXYZ,

If 42 is a true to Sir Terry Pratchett, then I see anothing wrong with this.

InverseParallax,

Douglas adams.

Your geek credentials have been invalidated, sir please exit the internet immediately.

MartinXYZ,

Fuck. I know. I just woke up and haven’t had any coffee yet.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

We understand. Regardless, a rule is a rule. Now kindly GTFO.

Nir,

Wait, don’t they still have the option to pics or gtfo?

I move that we demand a cat tax in lieu of gtfo.

toasteecup,

Personally I’m fine with

Pics or GTFO

Where pics are one of

  • cat tax
  • tits
  • tasteful nudes
  • a very cool piece of a collection
rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Cat tax? Tits? Tasteful nudes? AI to the rescue! (NSFW)

InverseParallax,

Well, I guess the rules are the rules, as you were.

toasteecup,

Whelp. That’s definitely a thing I’ve seen now. Will admit I did say one of those options but here we are

mindbleach,

Mulligan.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

The system for tumbleweed is nice. There’s only one version : tumbleweed.

LaggyKar,
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

Really, you have a new version every few days, with the date as the version

tram1,

41>10>5

GNOME is clearly the best

SkyeStarfall,

What about windows 2000

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Or 3.1 -> NT 3 -> 95 -> NT 4 -> 98

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

It’s a superior ancient lost technology.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not until version 42

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Everything should be date-based name releases.

If it’s released April, 2023 it should be 23.04 or similar.

Other schemes are arbitrary.

Change my mind.

sohrabbehdani,
@sohrabbehdani@lemmy.world avatar

somehow i agree with you.

irmoz,

AFAIK only Unity does this

YonatanAvhar,

I’ve seen many projects do it, Ubuntu, KDE Applications (not Plasma itself), and Helix are the first ones that come to mind

Araozu,

Marketing version (23.04 or just 23) and semver (3.11.3)

Change my mind

bjornp_,

I’m partial to semver where it makes sense and date based releases where it doesn’t. At my work we use <year>.<month>.<version> like 2023.7.v2 for template releases but semver for apps with APIs and such

FaeDrifter,

How would you differentiate between versions with major api breaks?

bjornsno,

Shhh, they don’t know what that means, let them live in bliss

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Lol. Developers just need to know what date the api changed. Viola.

bjornsno,

Gotta know, are you serious or joking here? Follow up question: are you a developer and have you ever worked on a medium+ sized project? The amount of dependencies you end up with is astounding, you can’t just “know” when all those APIs changed, that would be a full time job just to stay on top of. And that’s not even taking into consideration transitive dependencies. If a library doesn’t use semantic versioning, 99% of the time it’s correct to avoid it just to save yourself the headache.

SkyeStarfall,

They both serve different purposes

KDE Plasma does its versioning to follow QT versioning, which does its versioning in that way to signify API breaks.

But for something else like, say, the Linux kernel, which does not break compatibility in that manner, date-based would make more sense.

jjjalljs,

Semantic versioning. If I have 1.0.0 and you release 1.1.0 I can be pretty confident it’s safe to update. If you release 2.0.0 I need to read the release notes and see what broke.

If I have version July2023 and you release August2023 I have no information about if it’s safe to update. That’s terrible. That’s really bad.

This is for dependency management and maybe apis more than OSs, but in general semantic versioning is a very good system. It should be used often.

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

Alright I think I saw been somewhat convinced by this. But I also think the date should be included in some way.

blackbelt352,

I really like X.Y.Z

X is for major overhauls. Y is for a new individual feature added or dramatically reworked, Z is for bug fixes, updates and polish.

Like Blender is currently on 3.6. They had a dramatic major program wide overhaul a few years ago. And since then have been adding new features and reworking old ones in major 3.X releases, and occasionally have smaller updates and fixes in between, giving us 3.X.Y updates.

BangersAndMash,

The only thing I don’t like about that versioning system is the ambiguity that can sometimes arise due to different interpretations of what the numbers after the first dot mean.

You could either say: It’s a decimal system, therefore 3.4 is bigger (comes after) 3.13. (3.4 > 3.13) or, The numbers after each dot are independent, therefore 13 is bigger than 4, so 13 is the newer release.

It’s usually fairly obvious from changelings but every now and then I get tripped up.

blackbelt352,

For versioning I always viewed the numbers as independent from each other, just like with ip addresses.

mindbleach,

I thought Linux Mint did this, but apparently they’re kinda fuzzy about it? Which was not great to learn when I went to update an old laptop, and briefly thought the project had just died.

I had to type this three times because Lemmy closes the comment box and dumps whatever you had typed, if you upvote another comment while it’s open. That’s objectively terrible.

NikkiDimes,

I had to type this three times because Lemmy closes the comment box and dumps whatever you had typed, if you upvote another comment while it’s open. That’s objectively terrible.

Yikes, that is terrible. What client are you using?

mindbleach,

Lemmy.world in a current web browser.

NikkiDimes,

Tesla updates basically use that format, it’s pretty nice imo. “year.week.revision”, so for example 2023.29.3

mindbleach,

See also the Doom numbering system: Ultimate, 2, 64, Final, 3, (2016), Eternal.

hemko,

64 came after final, at least according to wikipedia

mindbleach,

Well now it doesn’t make any dang sense.

HiddenLayer5,
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

All hail 64! They shall remain after the final days!

AffineConnection,

64 < 3

mindbleach,

The real Doom 3.

I know id got on the anthology-naming thing after Quake II, but… FEAR was right there. Pick another monosyllabic name for your id-formula FPS and half the criticism would vanish.

zephyr,
Soundhole,

Honestly, I just wish they would ditch that disgusting foot logo. I hate it.

croobat,
@croobat@lemmy.world avatar

Bro thinks he is Nickelodeon 😭

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

You’d think LXQT would have foot logo.

ebits21,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

As I tell my wife, feet are gross.

Hyperi0n,

Your poor wife.

pimeys,
@pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io avatar

Maybe to a paw?

voidMainVoid,

Of all the things wrong with GNOME, their choice of logo is at the bottom of the list.

HeyMrDeadMan,

Their insistence that it be pronounced ‘guh-nome’ is a worse crime.

mindbleach,

GNU as the animal or the initials, okay, sure. Debatable. Gnome is a whole-ass word. That is ridiculous.

Up there with QT insisting their name isn’t Q-T. The initials are a word. If you wanted it pronounced Qute you should’ve called it that.

Faresh,

I thought you were very much not supposed to read the G?

beveradb,

/r/whoosh

Faresh,

You mean !woooosh or c/[email protected].

w2tpmf,

Windows 95, 98, me were kernel version 4.0+

Windows 2000 was kernel 5.0

XP and Vista were 6.0 and 6.1

Windows 10 had to be called that because the naming convention used on Windows 95/98 caused someware to see the OS as version 9.x

StinkyDave,

I came here for this answer.

Xylight,
@Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev avatar

Basically, they were doing 3.15, 3.16, etc but they decided to turn it into whole numbers. It was currently 3.19 so they decided to go from 3 to 4.0, and remove the decimal.

d_k_bo,

I’ll likely call it 6.0 since I’m starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again.

~ Linus Torvalds

pete_the_cat,

I was looking a Linus/Linux comment, I was trying to remember at what point Linus said “I’m incrementing the major version because these numbers are getting too big, there is no major advancement”.

FluffyPotato,

Even stranger is the windows 8 and 8.1 part since this is the one and only time a service pack changed the name of the OS.

NULL,

Because KDE is boring. /s

ice2194,

Because in the end a "version number" is just part of the name. You can call it anything you want.

voidMainVoid,

That still doesn’t explain why you would choose the other two instead of just counting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 like a sane person.

ice2194,

Your error here is assuming sanity.

NikkiDimes,

Two words: Steve Ballmer

voidMainVoid,

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

BiNonBi,
@BiNonBi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Decades long projects during which time the thought on when you should change the version number and what a version number even is has changed multiple times.

joyjoy,

Minecraft 1.7.🍌

ice2194,

Minebanan: now with more banan

const_void,

Juking the version number was trendy there for a while. It happened to browser versions to. Firefox and Chrome went from like version 10 to 100.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

I remember waiting a long time between minor versions around the 2.x versions of Firefox. And then suddenly it was major version every time.

masterofn001,

By 2024 firefox will be on version 1043^624^x*12^69 where x is the latest version of chrome.

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