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DrakeRichards, in How would you run a 'swarm'?

Sounds like it’s time to steal the concept of minions from 4e. Minions are specifically meant to help players feel powerful while still posing a credible threat.

Kolanaki, in How would you run a 'swarm'?
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If the enemies are so far below my players that, if not for a 1 being an automatic failure, they could even roll a 1 and still succeed, I don’t even have them roll. Like if a player wanted to stab a random villager, they can just go ahead and do that; non-adventurers usually aren’t even level 1.

The one time I had a big swarm of weak kobolds in a cave was with an epic level campaign where everyone started at level 20 and my wizard decided to cast max level fireball into the middle of the room, which collapsed the cave and killed everything.

Of course that player got mad at me, despite the other 3 players begging him not to cast the spell and all 4 of them, including the wizard, passed their rolls to see the cave wasn’t stable. Everyone knew what would happen except the dumbdumb playing the wizard. 🤦‍♂️

1chemistdown, in [Announcement] Introducing Official /c/dnd Network Communities!
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All the links for the network community are giving 404 error

Brunbrun6766,
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its all working on my end, tested in an incognito tab as well as other browsers too.

1chemistdown,
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I’m kbin.social and not lemmy. I still get a 404 error

Brunbrun6766,
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ah, I don’t have a solution for you unfortunately. I’ve never used Kbin and that sounds like a Kbin issue to solve not mine

lensofmadness,
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The links use the Lemmy format /c/dnd... because Lemmy uses "communities." Kbin has "magazines" and therefore uses /m/anything. Just replace the 'c' with an 'm' and the links will take you to the right places.

1chemistdown,
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Thank you

FaceDeer, in [Announcement] Introducing Official /c/dnd Network Communities!
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Annoying to see that the same ghettoization of AI art is going on here as was on Reddit - AI art is forbidden from the "art" community, and lumped in over with the "AI" community that also handles every other kind of AI stuff. At this point it should be pretty clear that whether something is "AI" or not is not as relevant a division as what kind of AI thing it is.

sbv, in How would you run a 'swarm'?

You could put them all on the same turn in initiative order give them 1hp. AFAIU this is basically what 4th edition minions were.

This stack exchange question sort of describes 4e minions.

SwiggitySwole,

A slightly better variant on 1hp is giving them regular HP but they die when taking any damage, that way sleep doesn’t knock out like 20 dudes.

Also save spells deal no damage on a success.

HairySammoth,

The 4e minion with this exact adjustment you describe is precisely how our our table handles it.

My players love it when I throw swarms at them - an epic pile of miniatures on the table, carving a swathe through your enemies… it’s great power fantasy stuff, and a nice way of emphasising how powerful leveled characters are.

PrinzKasper, in [Announcement] Introducing Official /c/dnd Network Communities!
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There's also a lemmy instance TTRPG.network, as well as an instance dedicated to Pathfinder and Starfinder pathfinder.social

dumples,
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Seems odd to not have these on the TTRPG.network. A single use instance will be more convenient instead of coming to lemmy.world

FaceDeer,
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I'm wary of putting all eggs under just one set of admins, on one server.

dumples,
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Star Trek did it. It's great to have a single dedicated spot. It's better to unify as we start up then split.

FaceDeer,
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I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it shouldn't be done.

We just saw lemmy.world collapse in ruin from a hack, for example. It came back quickly, but if it hadn't and all of the TTRPG communities had been there it would have been quite a mess to recover from.

fax_of_the_shadow,
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I think it's ok to have themed instances. People are still free to create communities on other ones, even if they're similar topics. No one is saying ALL ttrpg has to be ONLY one roof. I help admin an instance that's devoted only to sci-fi and fantasy communities (any media) but only those themes. Some of the communities we have also exist elsewhere and that's the great thing about the fediverse.

FaceDeer,
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No one is saying ALL ttrpg has to be ONLY one roof.

That was what I interpreted dumbles' objection to be, he didn't like that these communities weren't on TTRPG.network.

To be clear, I'm not opposed to "themed" instances. I just don't think it's bad to have communities scattered around on other instances as well as that.

fax_of_the_shadow,
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Ah yeah, that makes sense.

Brunbrun6766,
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people are free to go to these places and make their own communities. It wont be me as I am here on .world and as stated above !dnd has been on .world before ttrpg network existed

plethora,

I believe !dnd on Lemmy.world existed prior to ttrpg.network. Sometimes you just make stuff where the people already are.

fax_of_the_shadow,
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for some reason I can't get anything to come up when I click your pathfinder link. And typing the web address in gets me a 404 error.

dumples,
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I think they are down. I could subscribe via Kbin magazine search but not go through the website

fax_of_the_shadow,
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that's what I ended up doing, searching via kbin magazine search. Weird. I'd like to see the entre instance in case there are other communities not shown here.

dumples,
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From Kbin you can subscribe to entire instances. So you should be able to do that.

fax_of_the_shadow,
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Yeah, not sure I want ALL of them for subscriptions, I just wanted to see what else they had in case I did want to subscribe. I'm sure it will be back up eventually and I can go check.

Brunbrun6766,
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Thank you, but that is not what this post is for. These are our communities here as a part of this network and on .world

Xathonn,
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Yeah it's weird the made other stuff not on that. Just gonna stick to the official ones on ttrpg.network

ReadyUser31,

“Official”?

sbv, in [Announcement] Introducing Official /c/dnd Network Communities!

“official” made me think Hasbro was coming to Lemmy, but that doesn’t appear to be the case.

Brunbrun6766,
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Hell no, official to the /c/DnD Network

07Chess, in [Announcement] Introducing Official /c/dnd Network Communities!

Thank you for putting this all together into one spot. I just followed almost everything on the sidebar. A suggestion, though, you may get more traction if you make links that are usable for people using other lemmy instances and kbin. I had to manually search for everything to go subscribe to it.

Brunbrun6766,
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True, I forget about that on .world sometimes

Brunbrun6766,
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The links here in the post should be fixed let me know if they arent

Edit: and the sidebar should be fixed as well

07Chess,

Dang that was fast. Thank you! All of the ones in the post work except DM Academy. The same is true for the sidebar.

All the links under the next header on the sidebar don’t link well either.

Brunbrun6766,
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Yeah i only did our official ones for right now. Ill fix the others later. DM academy should work now

owlfox,

@Brunbrun6766 The links are still broken for me, only DM academy takes me to the .world community. Sadly, from Kbin I'll just have to search for all these, as the links won't let me subscribe right away.

SheeEttin, in How would you run a 'swarm'?

Give him a personal sidequest. His bad luck is due to a curse, and there’s something he can do to break it, or at least compensate for it, and you can implement it with a 1 weapon or something to boost his spellcasting skill.

But a swarm would work too, where it has low AC and you whittle it down each turn.

Plothunter, (edited ) in How would you run a 'swarm'?

I thought you were asking about how you would play a player who was a swarm. Like the ant guy on Rick & Morty. That would be interesting.

FontMasterFlex,

could be interesting for sure. might be my next NPC.

CmdrModder,

Now i'm just imagining a wizard casting enlarge/reduce on themselves to shrink and attacking with an army of ants.

Screw it, time to make a Druid with said ability that loves ants.

WilloftheWest, in How would you run a 'swarm'?

It’s been a while since I’ve run D&D but there’s some info to be gleaned from how Pathfinder runs swarms. My procedure is based off of some PF2e rules together with some house rulings for off the cuff swarms, and is intended to be quick, minimising admin and adding some exciting flavour to the encounter:

  • Choose your creature(s) which occupy the swarm
  • Set the AC to the lowest AC among creatures in the swarm
  • Don’t worry about the precise number of creatures in a swarm. Just do it based on size. If you want a rough idea of how many creatures fit into a swarm of a certain size, have 4-6 creatures of the same size occupy a space one size category larger. 4-6 groups of creatures of a certain size form a group of one size category larger.
  • Take average HP of the most populous creature in the swarm. For each size category the swarm is above that creature’s size category, multiply that average HP by 4.
  • Characters can occupy the same space as the swarm with no penalty
  • Any creature sharing space with the swarm is automatically hit, assign damage based on the median among damage values in the swarm (5 snakes and 8 kobolds, probably does the damage of a kobold. Could roll luck to see if they take a random venomous bite)
  • Swarms are immune to grapple, restrained, prone, etc. Swarms are vulnerable to area spells.
  • Optional: Mind altering magic could affect a swarm hive mind as if the swarm is a single creature. This is completely discretionary. You could probably manipulate a swarm of bees with a single charm spell, but not a city-spanning mob.
  • Optional: Give resistance to B/P/S damage. If a significant number of creatures in the swarm have a resistance (down to your judgement), add that resistance to the swarm.
  • Optional: Characters in the middle of a swarm could probably swing wildly and hit something. Give players advantage if they are attacking the swarm while stood in the swarm
  • Optional: Be narrative about the health of the swarm. Every so often mention one or two of the swarm falling dead or disengaging from the conflict.
FontMasterFlex,

thanks for the in depth answer.

07Chess, in How would you run a 'swarm'?

Multiply out the HP by however many you want there to be. Give them multi attack to that number. Say for example it’s 5 goblins in a swarm; every 20% HP lost it loses an attack (do the math ahead of time if it’s a funky number).

To make things less swingy run 2-4 swarms instead. Say you want 20 goblins, make swarm pods of 5 each.

WoolyNelson, in How would you run a 'swarm'?

One way I’ve done swarms in the past is treating the swarm as an amorphous blob of things. At the end of the round, anyone in a space covered by the swarm takes a certain amount of damage.

Alternatively, if they’re more annoying than dangerous, anyone that takes an action in a swarm space rolls with disadvantage.

FontMasterFlex,

appreciate it, thanks!

Pronell, in How would you run a 'swarm'?

Any reason the typical swarm statblocks won’t narratively work in such a case?

If you want to homebrew something, maybe make a swarm of x goblins with very low AC, say 3-5, with similar HP. When a character hits, they hit multiple goblins per attack assuming they roll double the given AC. In most hits they’d be taking down at least two or three targets is what I’m envisioning.

Then the swarm reacts after each attack, using x number of the swarm per attack, with maybe three different tiers of attacks available, and each goblin can only go once per round.

As such, as the battle wears on they make fewer and less effective attacks.

But this all recreates what a swarm statblock is to some extent.

FontMasterFlex,

Guess i didn’t realize there was an existing stat block. I don’t really want to do something like insects though. but yeah, you got the idea on the rest of it. this is pretty much what i was looking for. basically i want to give the on PC that can’t hit shit some optimism and start killing a few things instead of the druid that headbutts everything to death. Thank you

Pronell,

Here’s a link to one of the basic swarms from the 5e SRD:

Swarm of Zombies

It doesn’t have all the features I talked about but it does follow the same concept. It’s an abstraction of how a crowd might behave.

MrPumpernickel, in The unexpected Mimic

I want to make one a cat that flops onto its back asking for belly rubs.

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