avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Wow, I thought it was more than that. I guess among other things that shows how much less shitty stock OEM Android ROMs have gotten.

infinitevalence,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

It’s my daily for my only phone. But I also run it on my 10 year old Nexus 7 because it’s still supported and a good experience.

lemmyvore,

Hmm I should dig mine up, see if it still boots.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

Lineage OS is really great, I recommend the forked version with MicroG bundled to use google apps.

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Or, just skip that step altogether

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

If you aren’t sure if you can fully degoogle then it a great offer. Unfortunately many apps depend on GSF so its understandable.

shortwavesurfer,

Depends on how pure you want to be. If you are a purest, that is a bad thing to do.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

Well yes you are right, but being completely pure is borderline impossible IMO, and most people transition slowly.

shortwavesurfer,

True. I have been using Lineage with no gapps package for a bit over 4 years now. I no longer even have a google account as of almost 2 years ago.

Kaldo,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Is it equal to a regular android? Will the usual banking apps work on it, for example?

Hiro8811,

No. Banking won’t work and you can’t lock bootloader. As far as I know there’s no Recovery password so someone could just adb and pull data. If you want to use banking apps you could use magisk to pass safety net but that will make your phone less secure. Personally I have no banking app so I don’t give a shit

Kackstift24,

Banking apps work for me. And you cant pull data over adb without the password. The data is encrypted by default since a few Android versions

BearOfaTime,

It really depends on the banking app.

And you can always use a browser - Hermit enables you to use a web page that looks much like an app.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

I think you can configure that some apps can be only accessed by root user while not giving root permissions to a pc usb debugging

sadreality,

They work in the browser;)

For now

TheDuffmaster,

With the right Magisk modules I got my banking apps working

Amir,
@Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

Nowadays with SafetyNet hardware checks it’s a dangerous game to rely on that.

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

The Sparkasse (german bank) app works perfectly fine. I use LineageOS with microG and I’m not logged in with a Google account or anything.

umbrella,

I want to move away from GSF, how is MicroG working nowadays? I used it some years ago but it was buggy with any app related to mapping, and some other quirks.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

It works perfectly in my case can’t say for others. You should check their issues page in github about your device.

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

Works perfectly fine for me. I’ve also used an app that used Google Maps in it and it worked perfectly fine. Instead of Google Maps it displayed the map on OpenStreetMap.

hexloc,

Does this include devices running unofficial ports of lineageOS?

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Represent

youngGoku,

I used LineageOS before switching to GrapheneOS

thanks_shakey_snake,

Why did you switch?

youngGoku,
  1. Quarantined google play services on an alternate profile was a big sell for me. I don’t use anything google related in my day to day but occasionally I need traffic updates or alternative routes and I’m forced to use google maps. There’s a few other exceptions where I very rarely will need to use google play services.

In those situations, I can boot to an alternate profile for each app I need to use, and I know google is unable to harvest the majority of my data.

  1. GrapheneOS has hardened security compared to lineageOS.
  2. LineageOS did some type of takeover on cyanogenmod and I forget the details but I remember the whole situation left a sour taste in my mouth.
Lmaydev,

They forked it when it was announced they were going to shut it down. Not sure what the issue with that is.

S410,
@S410@kbin.social avatar

Considering the lead developer of GrapheneOS bans anyone from their chat for asking how an Android phone with GrapheneOS compares to a non-android phone, such as a PinePhone or Librem 5, in terms of security, because, according to said developer, PhonePhone and Librem5 are "scam products" and even asking questions about them is "spreading misinformation" and "promotion of fraud", I'd be quite, quite vary of the claims GrapheneOS developers make about its security.

Hiro8811,

You can check source code

S410,
@S410@kbin.social avatar

Reviewing the source code of an entire operating system is not a task doable by a single person, particularly when that person is not an expert in the field.

A proper code audit needs to be done by a team of professionals capable of spotting things like actual security vulnerabilities and logic errors that might result in more data being exposed, than advertised.

Hiro8811,

Meh. If someones willing to pay to do that it’ll be interesting. Skepticism is good but accusing with no concrete proof is not nice

S410,
@S410@kbin.social avatar

"Accusing with no concrete proof" is exactly what GrapheneOS developers are doing in regards to other projects. Claiming other products are a scam, particularly when those products somewhat compete with yours, is a pretty big red flag.

h3ndrik,

You missed that GrapheneOS got rid of Daniel Micay 6 months ago. (For the better or worse)

FutileRecipe,

To be clear, GrapheneOS did not “get rid” of Daniel. Daniel stepped down as lead dev and shifted some of his roles to other devs. He still contributes code to GOS.

h3ndrik,

Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware of that. I had a look at the commit history on Github, you’re right.

S410,
@S410@kbin.social avatar

I've heard that he passed some of his duties onto other people.

However, I'm not aware of anyone within the team criticizing his behavior or statements, which, while might be a bit of a stretch, likely implies that everyone related to the project, at the very least, tolerates, if not outright shares the the views.

I find it practically impossible to trust claims of people like that, to be honest.

h3ndrik,

Yeah, I’m not sure if you always need to apologize for other people. They have a Code of Conduct and that criticises exactly that. I don’t want to warm up all the internet drama that happened back then. There was harassment involved, in my eyes probably mental health issues and a bit of persecution mania. You’d probably only make it worse. If you don’t like how it turned out… You don’t have to use that project. Just use another smartphone OS.

Hiro8811,

Is that so. I don’t known the full story but I did heard something about librem being a scam. Either way both of them seem shady so I’ll look more into it

FutileRecipe,

The lead dev stepped down months ago, and the main thing with non-Pixel phones are the lack of security which is why only Pixels are currently supported.

HaggierRapscallier,

Isn’t Librem the one so slow to ship products and do refunds thereafter, it’s basically a scam? Yes, it is. It’s the Purism scam company. I watched a video on it. It was informative and unfortunate.

GrapheneOS is good apparently, even though I’m wary of the idea that a phone that Google sells could ever be secure…

youngGoku,

The only parts of this phone not open source are google proprietary drivers for the hardware. I highly doubt those are compromised.

I’m pretty confident my Pixel 6 is not phoning home to the mother ship.

Edit: and I guess whatever grub/bootloader is on here might also be closed source, not sure.

youngGoku,

Which chat, the matrix channel?

That is pretty infuriating honestly.

Kusimulkku,

LineageOS did some type of takeover on cyanogenmod and I forget the details but I remember the whole situation left a sour taste in my mouth.

CyanogenMod was the one that went commercial and was shut down. LineageOS is the continuation of the original vision. Kinda like OpenOffice vs LibreOffice.

In 2013, the founder, Stefanie Jane,[11][12] obtained venture funding under the name Cyanogen Inc. to allow commercialization of the project.[1][13] However, the company did not, in her view, capitalize on the project’s success, and in 2016 she left or was forced out[14] as part of a corporate restructure, which involved a change of CEO, closure of offices and projects, and cessation of services,[15][16] and therefore left uncertainty over the future of the company. The code itself, being open source, was later forked, and its development continues as a community project under the LineageOS name.

nossaquesapao,

It’s hard to find estimates of android devices, but most reports I found indicate around 3 billion, and this makes us around 0,05%. I expected it to be low, but not like that…

Setarkus,

Billion or million? :P

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

But how much of that is phones? There’s a lot of other devices running Android.

nossaquesapao,

Good point. I found no data making that distinction, so we can’t really know.

drcobaltjedi,

See the calculator some guy made run doom or a barcode scanner at my job.

Android is a fairly good target development platform, it’s still getting updates, apps built for older versions of android still work on newer versions, large active tallent pool both perfessionally and hobbyist, absolute metric fuck ton of tutorials. Yeah, if you’re making a new product it isn’t hard to just make it an android computer and throw am app on there that you make that does the thing.

BearOfaTime,

I recently used a Holter monitor that was an Android phone.

I’ve seen many, many handheld devices in retail environments that are clearly Android based.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar
rgb3x3,

It’s a podcast. Most people listen to it while doing other things and don’t watch it in a single sitting.

If you don’t want to watch it, then don’t, but it really is a great podcast.

BearOfaTime,

Damn, Sweet Brown. Ain’t seen her in forever!

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