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jarfil, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

Just opted in.

Am I supposed to disable uBlock Origin and Pihole now? 😈

ren, to alternativenation in [Fresh Album] Mikaela Davis - And Southern Star
@ren@lemmy.world avatar

Ooo… off to a lovely start! Beautiful! Oopah, here comes the drums and slide guitar!

Rooki, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
@Rooki@lemmy.world avatar

Why tho? Just block ads at all. They just want to be “friendly” when the web drm changes hit

HawlSera,

It is the illusion of choice granted in order to minimize the Damage Done by experts pointing out why Google is trying to kill the internet

Rooki,
@Rooki@lemmy.world avatar

💯

1984, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

It really is unfortunate that almost all their users are asleep at the wheel and don’t care.

HawlSera,

The mundanes/normies whatever you wanna call em.

They won’t understand anything without a song and dance number

ijeff,
@ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

That describes all of us in at least a few areas beyond our competencies and interests.

YaaAsantewaa, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
@YaaAsantewaa@hexbear.net avatar

enhanced privacy

Why does it need to be enhanced? columbo

Kekzkrieger, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
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Many friends of mine are like saying why would i care i’d rather see ads that are relevant than ones that arent. Like dude i dont want ads at all and i dont want my data to be used to influence my buying behavior.

nik282000,
@nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t care if I have to see unobtrusive ads (not overlays, not popups, not unskippable videos) ads help keep many web services free, sometimes I even find it helpful when ads are relevant to my recent searches or the page I am looking at. But having companies build up profiles about me and then share that between themselves is bullshit, that kind of behavior would be treated as stalking if done by an individual, why is it ok for a business?

AbsolutelyNotABot,

While this is an understandable desire my question is as follow:

If you don’t want ads, and don’t want to pay for every service, how’s all the internet system supposed to be sustainable on the long run? How should things be financed?

triclops6,

Honest answer: by op’s friends!

Most people don’t mind the parasites? Great! Let those who wanna be part of the system subsidise those of us in the margins who don’t.

Spambox,

Honestly that’s not our problem to solve. If we disagree with a business model we can choose not to use it, the onus isn’t on us to find another one for the business.

If your product isn’t worth paying for that’s a you problem and if your business goes under because it wasn’t sustainable that’s also a you problem.

Is pretty likely that the business offered nothing new or innovative at a price people would part with their money for and just because you want to start a competing business in a market means nothing.

Competition is great but no business is entitled to a piece of the market solely because they want to exist. There’s no point being a carbon copy of an existing service if you expect people to pay when your offering already exists somewhere else and if you want people to pay your business instead of another you need to improve something or create something of benefit for them to at a price point both sides can work with.

AbsolutelyNotABot,

You’re absolutely right, but this is a different case I think: It’s freerider problem, people WANT to use internet services, want to use social and so on, the problem is, if possible, they don’t want to pay for it. In the scenario where we make ads completely illegal, companies will look for other ways to monetize the service, because a system which is not in break even on the long term is cursed to bankruptcy.

People want to watch Netflix, but without paying, that means that if everyone do like that, Netflix will find other ways of monetization. That’s why games became full of microtransanction and always online stuff, for example. That’s what made ads popular in the first place, don’t want to pay? No problem, here’s a free sites with ads. should socials be closed community where you can access only paying, like pay tv? Because even right now removing ads on Reddit or YouTube paying is possible.

Even Lemmy growth at a certain point will incur in this, because a platform can’t hold itself on 2 unpaid developers and free labor of volunteers who pay for server costs too.

Would we better off without these sites if we’re not willing to pay for them? Maybe yes. But what certain is that without financial stability a project can’t go far. The problem is both of the producer of the producer, sure, but also its users should wonder how much they want the platform, because it will evolve accordingly.

eskimofry,

We already paid for the Internet though.

AbsolutelyNotABot,

You pay for internet connection, not internet content.

Services don’t get a penny out of what you pay your ISP

eskimofry,

Ok then hear me out. Let free content supported by ads die out. Make everything paid.

AbsolutelyNotABot,

This is practically impossible because piracy is easy and convenient.

Ads emerged right because they are a simpler way of monetization

eskimofry,

Why don’t businesses do away with free and go to a completely paid model?

Let’s continue on this path of thinking: Customers already pay using their data. So if you want to show ads you have to pay customers since you are scrapping their data?

JeffCraig,

Unfortunately, a majority of the population like the ad based free service model, so here we are.

loudWaterEnjoyer, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
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The only time I see ads is when I look into someone else’s screen

Shush, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

I’ve never, not once in my life, saw an ad which managed to make me buy something.

It doesn’t matter what it’s selling. The fact that it’s disrupting whatever I’m doing or making my experience worst makes me refuse to buy whatever it’s selling, and it doesn’t matter how personalized it’ll get. I will never be influenced to buy something just because I saw it on an ad.

This feature will literally do nothing for me. I’ll still block ads, or if they are unblockable for any reason, I’ll just ignore them until they’re done.

darcy,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

true, but remember the ads are mostly subconcious. you often wont think about buying something after seeing an ad, but in the back of your mind you might have a slightly better opinion, or mental association to the brand. so next time you go to buy a product your more likely to remember that brand and buy from them. as much as i would like to believe otherwise, no-one is immune to propaganda

Naz,

If only it worked the other way as well:

Doctor: “Your blood cholesterol is abysmal. Your blood is more similar to maple syrup than blood.”

Subliminal advertising: “Mmm, Coca-Cola means DEATH.”

aceshigh,
@aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

If you’re the type of person who buys new things often then yes. But if you buy the exact same stuff that you’ve been purchasing for 30 years, ads aren’t going to impact you today.

darcy,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

fair

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Or if you’re ADHD and need to do a ton of research for a week on stupid little purchases before you commit to something.

cole,
@cole@lemdro.id avatar

Don’t @ me

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

It’s mostly unsettling and a bit creepy. Like you’ll be doing something during the day and then later you’ll see it on Google. Like someone’s watching you.

Shush,

At this point I assume everything about me is known to all the corporations. When stuff like that happens, I just go “yeah that tracks”.

jemorgan,

I’m just like this too, but you have to remember that for every person like us, there’s a person like my wife, who’s buying garbage that she sees on instagram ads nearly every week.

I beg her to at least search for the item and buy it directly so that the website she’s on isn’t getting revenue for ads. It’s petty but makes me feel better.

PeterPoopshit, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

I’m poor and I hate stupid bullshit. The only way to personalize ads for me is to make them go away.

HiddenLayer5, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
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“Give us your preference data to prevent your preference data from being used in advertising.”

qwertychomp, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

Suffering, now with more customization!

Heavybell, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
@Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

You should swap to something else. Anything else, tho ideally something that actually respects your privacy like Firefox. If more people did, maybe WEI would not be on the horizon.

Kodemystic, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
@Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev avatar

I think wanting stuff for free and not wanting ads don’t go together. Either we pay or we watch ads or use open source.

eskimofry,

That’s like saying we should gouge out our eyeballs if we don’t want to see banner ads in real life. Fuck that noise.

Elivey,

No, actually, fuck all that. Ads are not a necessity for things to be free. Do you want that one black mirror episode? Cuz that’s how we get that one black mirror episode.

Kodemystic,
@Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev avatar

Which one? xD

Elivey,

[Fifteen million merits](www.Fifteen.com million merits)

crag, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
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“More useful ads”

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