Hello, you might have noticed (or not) that posts from kbin, more specifically kbin.social aren’t showing anywhere, this is due the DDoS protection they currently have on. So even if you are subscribed to kbin.social communities you won’t see any posts from the outside....
It’s honestly amazing how much interest Kbin has gotten despite constant server issues and no federation. I expected it to be a little less active but when I visited there was a bustling community there! I hope they open federation soon so I can spend more time there.
**Hello again!**You might be sick of me meta posting, but I'll be done soon I swear! You can screenshot this and post it to mildly infuriating. It definitey would fit!...
Makes sense. Still, there isn’t gonna be a real and strong “reddit migration” if people can’t subscribe and enjoy communities in here. I saw posts yesterday about instances doing server upgrades, which is nice. If that’s the issue I’d be glad to contribute financially but they have to make those upgrades fast! There’s an opportunity window here and I fear the average user coming from Reddit isn’t gonna be patient.
I set up a self-hosted instance yesterday, so far it runs fine. I can subscribe from there to communities hosted on other instances, I can comment from my instance and the comments show up on other instances....
Apparently my instance does try to push, as I expected, but the community is protected on lemmy.world. That’s a bit surprising still, since I thought it is a test group to test federation and such, but since that wasn’t specified anywhere, it’s fair enough that this could be a test-group by lemmy.world for lemmy.world :-)
Why are all the answers here from FMHY? It was like 20th on the list in terms of popularity when I joined. I chose it because it had fewer restrictions - users can create their own communities and, most importantly, downvote (the chart I looked at said some didn’t have downvotes??). Also I assume pirates know how to run a server.
Beehaw is a community of individuals and therefore does not have any specific political affiliation. At this point in time, we do not know what the political leanings of most of our users are. I would suspect that many of them would identify as progressive because we are explicitly a safe space for minorities. What we stand for...
I run a few groups, like @fediversenews, mostly on Friendica. It's okay, but Friendica resembles Facebook Groups more than Reddit. I also like the moderation options that Lemmy has....
Lemmy and kbin are both similar to Reddit in functionality, but are two separate projects. Lemmy runs on rust, and kbin runs on php. Luckily both lemmy and kbin use ActivityPub, which means that users on each platform can see and interact with content from the other platform! Right now Lemmy is the more popular option, so most of the big communities are hosted on Lemmy servers, hence kbin being missed.
Essentially, if you’re already registered on a Lemmy instance and are enjoying that, you don’t really need to worry about kbin, but if you check it out and prefer the interface, you could register on a kbin instance and still access all the same content you were seeing on Lemmy.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I read ActivityPub standards and dug a little into lemmy sources to understand how federation works. And I'm a bit disappointed. Every server just has a cache and the ability to fetch something from another known server. So if you start your own instance, there is no profit for the whole network until...
TL;DR: The server-to-client interactions on Lemmy are a lot heavier than the server-to-server interactions, so even if you’re just using your own server to interact with communities on other servers, it should still take load off of the servers you would have been using directly.
It’s a bit worse than that actually. I’m now seeing several communities with exactly the same name that originate on different servers - so clearly Lemmy doesn’t have a rule about duplication once you cross a server boundary. That’s going to get unwieldy quite fast particularly if, I dunno, “Aww” gets popular on two separate servers at the same time - I guess I’ll have to subscribe to both…
I think users are still having trouble with the mental model for browsing Lemmy.
The first interaction with the service is already fragmented - you need to choose where to create an account and start browsing. Even though you can browse communities from other servers, people are now seeing them through the lens of “fragmented” “my server vs other server” and that creates the illusion that these duplicates are somehow a huge issue.
But duplicates can actually be quite useful - a community called “memes” on Lemmy.world could attend to a different audience than a community also called “Memes” but made in an instance entirely in French.
Also, if two instances have two communities you enjoy, with the same name… Subscribe to both? Nothing stops you from doing that. It’s okay. Reddit had “me_irl” and “meirl” which were the exact same, but with different mods, a relatively similar number of subscribers and quite honestly the same content. I didn’t know the actual difference between the two, and I still do not know - I just subscribed to both and kept getting depressing memes to cry before going to sleep. No issues.
Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.
I think there’s a team of people intentionally spreading lemmy misinformation. I think reddit is trying to get people not to switch from this platform
People are saying the same things everywhere, but on any analysis, they don’t actually make sense, let me give an example:
Lemmy is absolutely too convoluted for normal people. “There are multiple servers, many of which overlap with each other content-wise? Which one am I supposed to use? This isn’t as simple as reddit,” says the photographer who posted to /r/earthporn, says the politics junkie who posted in /r/worldnews, says the creative writer who posted to /r/nosleep.
There is no way to prevent this from happening again. It will happen again, no matter what. If Lemmy gets big, it will only do so if a couple servers rise above all others so the normies can understand that those are the servers to join… and those servers eventually will take advantage of their users just as reddit has done."
There’s no aspect of truth to this comment, as an example, let’s try actually doing what they’re saying is too hard:
So, did they just make up that it was too convoluted for normal people? Yes. Is there some truth to the notion that there are multiple communities for the same thing… Also yes, but there are on reddit too, it’s no different than r/art and r/art1 r/art2 and the billion other subreddits in a similar position. People just search and then use the largest one… so is it an actual problem, or is it just grasping at straws? You be the judge of that.
Are there things that make lemmy difficult? Yes, but they’re rapidly being solved and extremely minimal, other than that issue tracker, the other thing that might stop you is that some lemmy instances require a message and approve signup, this is because they widely aren’t monetized and are run by volunteers with no intention of ever monetizing. Neither of these things are real blockers to normal human adoption, and neither of them are long-term fundamental issues.
If you think federation is too complex for normal users, I ask you, why does email face no such difficulty? Why is nobody complaining about how difficult email is because of federation?
The other issue is genuinely a problem, the lemmy developers are tankies… however, lemmy is released under an open source license, none of their ideology is being injected into the code, and this is akin to worrying about the ideology of the developers of email. Use an instance not created by them, and you’re safe from this entirely, I recommend beehaw.org
Don’t let the misinformation factory stress you, I don’t have proof that reddit is doing this on purpose, but this seems to be a common set of lies… and if you don’t like lemmy anyway, there’s also kbin, which federates with lemmy but is made by completely separate developers.
Federation is NECESSARY for a non-corpo/government propaganda AND control ridden future. If reddit were federated, nobody would give a fuck about this api thing, because we’d just go to another instance, and all of our content would still be available on that other instance. That’s why reddit fears federation, none of the issues with lemmy are fundamental, let’s build a better future, one where we don’t have to hope a benevolent centralized monopoly/dictatorship on a community will work for us!
I don’t think so. Although many will remain with Reddit, there is no incentive or loyalty for a significant % to do so. If reddit is shit, why not just use FB, Twitter or regular message boards? Already I saw many subreddits have discords already.
The question for most of those users is there a lesser evil in choosing one bad company over another? Unfortunately I just see this community content becoming fragmented as a result and no winners emerging.
I like Lemmy / kbin but I am concerned that a dev could just shutdown their server and a community, accounts are gone. Who pays the server bills, and maintenance backups etc? This seems incredibly problematic.
Beyond that they need a strong mobile app and 3P devs, a tool to read a users reddit profile and subscribe to similar channels, one click registration without selecting a server. It would be good to also have a mechanism for showing cross-platform posted content in a single view.
If honestly feels like the 90s wild west Internet days again. No alternative I have seen so far can address these concerns.
Any community is a sum of it’s members, good bad, or otherwise. I think there will be a wave of us Reddit refugees, but also word is going to spread to other places like Meta and hopefully bring in even more people. Getting people sorted into servers that are going to be able to handle the load, or even better getting them to host their own servers is going to be the way to go. Sorry if we’re stumbling all over your garden in the meantime.
I’m really enjoying lemmy. I think we’ve got some growing pains in UI/UX and we’re missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn’t going to be free....
The thing is, Lemmy is decentralized. You don’t need to have an account on an instance (server) to use that instance’s “subreddits” (communities) - instances communicate their activity to each other automatically, so any instance will do (provided the instances haven’t banned each other). It’s just like email.
So it’s pretty simple to just stop accepting sign-ups once an instance starts to become impractically large. Anyone can start an instance for just the cost of a domain ($10ish/year, or free if it’s a subdomain of an existing website) and a server (that random computer you already have lying around will do just fine, for free). And a small instance can do fine on just donations and the good will of the operator.
Speaking as someone who totally doesn’t understand federation (but totally does get servers being overloaded) - I can completely see why they all joined what appears to be the primary instance. I did. I really struggled to work out which server to join and had to wade through a few that had their own special rules (eg “no creating communities here” - idr which one that was tho).
I ended up joining lemm.ee simply because it seems like a nice generic server set up to do general stuff with that wasn’t lemmy.ml. Is that a good choice? idk.
I had a similar problem grasping mastodon (actually the reason I didn’t really use it in the end).
Lemmy servers need to work more like Counterstrike or TF2 or WoW servers (edit: or IRC servers - that’s probably a better comparison tbh), where you might want to join a specific server with its own personality, but most people probably don’t care and are more interested in whether it performs well and is likely to be around a while. I also think some simple things like making the server less prominent in the UI and not making local communities the default view would help loads with people not feeling like they’re less because they’re not on the primary instance.
Edit: LMAO except I didn’t. I posted using the account I’d made on lemmy.ml but decided not to use. Lemmying is hard, yo.
I found it complicated at first (didn’t know which instance “will last”, where to register to not lose anything when instance admin decide to turn it down), but now it’s going good. We are missing mobile apps though....
Yeah, I’m not going anywhere. I do like the smaller atmosphere in some ways because it’s less Social media heavy. I’m hoping all the recent chaos initiated by whacky rich CEOs signals the doom of the social media framework that has been predominant for the last ~10 yrs. I’m not saying Lemmy is hopeless. I wouldn’t have bothered to join. I think it’s really cool concept.
I wasn’t a very active redditor, tbh. My account was fairly young. Most of my time was on r/leaves, r/cardistry, r/playingcards, r/wood, and probably a few I haven’t remembered. The dust just needs to settle so I can find the proper places here. So far, a lot of the crafting and hobby themed communities are based upon sharing completed works, where I find I’d much rather see content that is instructional, educational, or problem solving. But I think maybe I’m better served by instructables or something in that regard. Probably also YouTube, but I hate video media. 😵💫
There’s maybe an interesting effect similar to domain name hoarding, so I’m going to watch and see how federated system handles important communities being made but not really invested in. I found a music community that was named well, but the only post was the sole moderator peddling their own album, which felt odd. I imagine a different community with the same name but on a different server instance might become more popular in that case and dwarf those. Natural selection of communities will be fun to observe.
I had a roundabout way of getting here. Used a different server to create an account (kasi stuck sa loading yung sa lemmy.world), logged in there, searched for philippines in the All tab for communities, before subscribing LOL
There has been a steady trickle of new users here today, and in the past little while, mostly due to the bad decisions that reddit is currently making....
The only roadblock I see is how difficult it is to follow communities outside your main instance. It would be nice if there was a log-in-as option so you can easily subscribe if you come across a page that isn’t a part of your instance. Right now you have to either search it on your main, or copy the url over (which I’ve seen doesn’t work all the time, but could be because of server load.)
Kbin.social has disabled federation temporarily. (kbin.social)
Hello, you might have noticed (or not) that posts from kbin, more specifically kbin.social aren’t showing anywhere, this is due the DDoS protection they currently have on. So even if you are subscribed to kbin.social communities you won’t see any posts from the outside....
[Meta] - C3 - Cross Community Coalition - Connecting the Fediverse (discord.gg)
**Hello again!**You might be sick of me meta posting, but I'll be done soon I swear! You can screenshot this and post it to mildly infuriating. It definitey would fit!...
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Pending subscription to communities
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Articles on self-hosted servers not propagated?
I set up a self-hosted instance yesterday, so far it runs fine. I can subscribe from there to communities hosted on other instances, I can comment from my instance and the comments show up on other instances....
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Title says it all. Educate me!
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Beehaw is a community of individuals and therefore does not have any specific political affiliation. At this point in time, we do not know what the political leanings of most of our users are. I would suspect that many of them would identify as progressive because we are explicitly a safe space for minorities. What we stand for...
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Are all these thousands of lemmy servers useless?
Correct me if I'm wrong. I read ActivityPub standards and dug a little into lemmy sources to understand how federation works. And I'm a bit disappointed. Every server just has a cache and the ability to fetch something from another known server. So if you start your own instance, there is no profit for the whole network until...
Fighting against anti-lemmy misinformation on reddit (old.reddit.com)
Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.
Slashdot -> Fark -> Digg -> Reddit -> Lemmy
It's been a long journey, but here we arrive. Welcome home.
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How are we going to pay for all this?
I’m really enjoying lemmy. I think we’ve got some growing pains in UI/UX and we’re missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn’t going to be free....
So, what do you think about Lemmy/kbin so far?
I found it complicated at first (didn’t know which instance “will last”, where to register to not lose anything when instance admin decide to turn it down), but now it’s going good. We are missing mobile apps though....
Welcome r/PH refugees! (lemmy.world)
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Welcome, new users!
There has been a steady trickle of new users here today, and in the past little while, mostly due to the bad decisions that reddit is currently making....