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I don’t think so. That whole website is premised on an elementary logical fallacy. Just because a news source is left- or right-leaning doesn’t make it inherently less trustworthy than a “centrist” one, in fact all you’ve done is introduce your own untrustworthy ideological bias into the judgement criteria by proactively dismissing anyone who doesn’t align with your definition of centrism.
It means they peddle far-left conspiracy theories like Palestinian children needing water and food to survive which is something that Israeli scientists have debunked
also, it’s not the exact same article. it’s a different article by a different author. you can tell if you bother to read it instead of just googling around until you found another article with a similar click-bait headline…
do you often lie to make your point, or is this a new experience for you?
sorry, i thought native english speakers would be more familiar with the concept of hyperbole. i will take the time to write a brief summary of relevant semantic techniques used in subsequent posts to help out the more rhetorically challenged members of our community.
notice how i didn’t prepend that post with a brief summary of rhetorical techniques like i said i would? that’s because i didn’t use any. ditto this post.
are you seriously expecting a pat on the back for not being a more toxic troll than you already are? is not lying and arguing in bad faith such a difficult impulse for you to control that you think you deserve treats when you don’t do either or both?
you expressed confusion with my use of the english language and so i have adjusted my communication style to suit your apparent needs. if you feel this somehow reflects poorly on your personal character it is no fault of mine.
the entire point of me linking the time article was to point out that it was cognitive laziness (and likely bad faith) on your part to invoke a third party ‘bias checker’ (that in all likelihood is itself biased) as some impartial mediator of reality. typically, the next logical step to take here would be to engage with the points of the articles in question and judge their merits through consensus based on verifiable fact, but it seems you got lost somewhere along the way and now you appear to be resisting attempts to shepherd you back on topic.
no, you lied, and when caught in your lie, you lied again and called it “hyperbole” even though it was just obviously just a lie. now you’re piling lie upon lie thinking you’re fooling anyone but yourself.
We all understand how exaggeration works. @meth_dragon linked the article, clearly indicating it’s not the same article with the same word as the exaggeration. After that, @meth_dragon was willing to be clearer, but you had already removed the thread from being about the topic of whether or not this bias indicator has any value. Now it never returned to the point being obviously initially made
careful you don’t sprain something with those mental gymnastics!
We all understand how exaggeration works
clearly you know how to lie badly in an attempt to cover another pile of lies, but not how to lie well enough to convince someone smart than a small woodland creature— or yourselves.
you know what would be impressive? if any of you could just admit you made a mistake and dropped this whole charade.
What more do you want than “I was exaggerating”? Once that was said, this whole BS could’ve just stopped. You then say “ok, now that we’re clear that you were exaggerating, how different are these articles?” But we never got there, because you derailed.
Request an edit if you really think it’s so misleading, I’m sure @meth_dragon would’ve initially just edited if you were so concerned that this “lie” would mislead others. Now I doubt it, because you’ve proven to be acting in bad faith by not just accepting the explanation and continuing the initial discussion, but you had that chance.
since it was an obvious lie - not an “exaggeration” - not lying about it for hours and hours would be a nice place to start.
But we never got there
because I’m not stupid enough to believe such a feeble lie.
Request an edit if you really think it’s so misleading, I’m sure @meth_dragon would’ve initially just edited if you were so concerned that this “lie” would mislead others
I that were true, they would have after I confronted them rather than doubling down, again and again, with one lie to cover another. for hours.
Now I doubt it, because you’ve proven to be acting in bad faith by not just accepting the explanation and continuing the initial discussion
refusing to accept such an obvious and feeble lie is not “acting in bad faith”. you coming here to try to gaslight me into believing that lie, however, IS:
“DARVO is an acronym used to describe a common strategy of abusers. The abuser will: Deny the abuse ever took place, then Attack the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable; then they will lie and claim that they, the abuser, are the real victim in the situation, thus Reversing the Victim and Offender.”
Also they seem to have 7 likes on a lot of comments, or just above it. Get the feeling there’s some real bot/alt account stuff going on because I cannot imagine anyone liking it lol, let alone a consistent number as you go down the chain.
Yes, and I know when someone is lying but just says it’s “hyperbole” when called out on a lie, which is obviously what’s happening here.
Of course it’s not the exact same article.
so you even admit that they lied
The point is that multiple sources collaborate the main point, that opium production has fallen under the Taliban.
so what? there’s a famine right now, and there are obvious reason to shift production to a viable food source. twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.
Before 9/11 they had banned poppy cultivation. After America leaves, they ban poppy cultivation. During the occupation, lots of poppies are cultivated and processed into opium.
America consumes 80% of the world opium supply on average.
You said American blame for poppy production during the occupation isn’t supported by the facts.
I didn’t claim that. but I’d like to see what I did say that you somehow twisted into that.
I restated those facts and asked what conclusion they do support.
you stated something and jumped to a conclusion you wanted, with zero facts to back it up.
So did the occupation increase opium production on purpose or just turn a blind eye to it?
here’s the staw man and association fallacies again— The US did not go there for this reason, which is the original assertion— so none of this is relevant. You’re trying to prove a point that has nothing to do with the argument of WHY the US was eve there which had nothing to do with opium. It was just one of many things the US concerned itself with once it was there. Like building schools. We didn’t go there to do that, either, but we happened to do it while we were there.
are you capable of speaking in anything other than 100% logical fallacy?
I’m not here to draw conclusions, just to present the facts (and object to when my words are twisted, when logical fallacies are used to argue against the facts, etc.), which is all I have done.
Suggesting someone needs to twist themselves up in knots to blame the us for opium production during the occupation implies that the United States isn’t clearly responsible for opium production during the occupation.
Unless theres another reason someone would have to twist themselves up in knots to get there, of course.
That’s a conclusion. Now I’m not trying to get a gotcha or own or something here. I understand that sometimes when you get to talkin about something you might say things you don’t mean to. My question is how’d you get there?
Suggesting someone needs to twist themselves up in knots to blame the us for opium production during the occupation implies that the United States isn’t clearly responsible for opium production during the occupation.
had someone actually made such a suggestion, that would be interesting. when and where did that happen?
Unless theres another reason someone would have to twist themselves up in knots to get there, of course
I’m not here to speculate.
That’s a conclusion
ok, goodbye!
I understand that sometimes when you get to talkin about something you might say things you don’t mean to.
I understand, and if you wish to apologize for twisting the things I said to try to win an argument, I’ll forgive you.
My question is how’d you get there?
probably the same way you did; using a web browser.
you argument is fundamentally flawed. no matter how many ways you twist yourself up, twist my words, or twist anything else, you’re never going to successfully argue against the facts.
you lost this argument hours ago. you’re just torturing yourself at this point.
first, as I’ve said, I’ve presented facts. I’m no here to discuss your straw man r be drawn into any rhetorical “traps” you might try to get me to admit something you can twist into something you can claim as a ‘win”— and I know that’s all you’re after here.
I’m obviously not going to engage with you when I know you’re arguing in bad faith an from a flawed premise.
it’s clear that you’re after some sort of catharsis - something to prove your hours of trolling was worth it, and I’m going to tell you now: you won’t get it from me.
Lol believe me, the only thing I’ve gotten or expect to get from this interaction is a headache.
I’m not using any strawmen or rhetorical traps (what even is that?) or twisting your words. If you feel attacked just tap out, there’s nothing to win or lose and a conversation on the internet isn’t worth getting heated over.
What you said and I quoted a couple of times way earlier implies you don’t think the us was responsible for opium production during the occupation and I want to understand your viewpoint. Do you think the us was responsible for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan?
Lol believe me, the only thing I’ve gotten or expect to get from this interaction is a headache.
you have only yourself to thank for that. after all,. you made the decision to come and troll my comments, and you’re the one who refuses to stop. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not using any strawmen or rhetorical traps (what even is that?) or twisting your words.
except for the many, many times I clearly show you were, you said “nah-uh!” and we keep going around in circles.
all because you refuse to admit you’re wrong and keep hatefully trolling me due to your deep-seated insecurities. because you just can’t walk away due to some hangup about what an internet stranger happens to think.
but go on and deny that, too, and I’ll just keep repeating the same thing again and agin until the end of time.
tired of losing yet? because I’m happy t keep telling you this forever.
You said there were zero facts to support blaming the us for production during the occupation, so does that mean that the production didn’t happen or it wasn’t the occupation governments fault?
There’s no wrong answer here. I’m not gonna send the stasi to break down your door for being a lib, I just want to understand how someone who clearly values logic and rhetoric came to that conclusion.
so does that mean that the production didn’t happen or it wasn’t the occupation governments fault?
have fun on that journey of discovery!
There’s no wrong answer here
except for those which had no evidence to support them.
I’m not gonna send the stasi to break down your door for being a lib
you keep calling me names because it makes you feel better for trolling and bullying me, but you don’t know me at all nor what I believe because ii have said anything other than providing and debating the established facts. I could be communist or fascist or something in between, but all I’ve argued is the facts. nothing personal.
I just want to understand how someone who clearly values logic and rhetoric came to that conclusion.
I’ve said it hundreds of time, and you’re going to ignore it this time too: THE FACTS as supported by THE EVIDENCE.
So you’re not going to explain how you came to the conclusion that the us occupation government in Afghanistan wasn’t responsible for opium production while it was in power and you’re also not gonna provide any source for the facts that led you to that conclusion?
So you’re not going to explain how you came to the conclusion that the us occupation government in Afghanistan wasn’t responsible for opium production while it was in power and you’re also not gonna provide any source for the facts that led you to that conclusion?
I never said that. why do you think lying, especially when there’s evidence of what I DID say, will win you any “points” or whatever you’re after here?
I drew no conclusions as there was no evidence to support such a conclusion.
you’re welcome to prove - with evidence - how you came to that conclusion. As of now, none has been provided to support that conclusion. Someone asserted that and provided some link, but the evidence did not back up their claim.
so, keep raging, but you’re wasting your time trying to twist my words into something I never said.
twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.
The thing people are blaming the us for is increased opium production under the occupation of Afghanistan.
So are you suggesting that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts?
twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.
so you admit that you lied about what I said, even quoting wha I actually did say to PROVE you lied, yet…
The thing people are blaming the us for is increased opium production under the occupation of Afghanistan.
you misrepresent a handful of commenters as “people’ making it seem like this is a commonly-held argument that rational people actually believe — without any evidence to back it up… or any evidence that it’s even true.
so, based on these lies and bad-faith twisting of the argument, why should I engage with this discussion further knowing full well you’ll just continue to lie and twist my words because that’s exactly what you’ve been doing this whole time?
So are you suggesting that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts?
see? you couldn’t even make it to the end of that comment before you did it again!
can you not control it? is the lying a compulsion for you? I mean… the evidence of what I said is right there yet you insist I said something I clearly didn’t. it’s… very strange.
You won’t tell me what I’ve lied about. You won’t clarify your position. You won’t confirm or deny what statements of fact you accept. You won’t accept the other posters in this thread as people (???).
You asked why you should engage in this discussion any further. I don’t believe you should. You seem to have nothing to say even when asked clear, direct questions intended to give you a platform to speak. There is no discussion here.
If, on the other hand, you do want to keep going (you do not have to. You can just not respond. No one will judge you.):
Based on your statement
twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts
Which was made in the context of other users blaming the United States for production of opium during the occupation of Afghanistan, I surmised you meant that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts.
Was I wrong in that? If so, what blame being placed on the us isn’t supported by the facts?
I’m not trolling. I haven’t insulted or accused you of anything and I’ve tried my level best to treat you with the kindness of Christ and patience of Job.
I’d like to know what you meant by
twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts
I took a look at the context, which was users blaming the us for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan, and surmised you meant that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts.
Was that a wrong assessment? If so, what blame being placed on the us isn’t supported by the facts?
I want to understand what you meant. Ive refined my question to be as straightforward and clear as possible over our entire conversation.
If you think you’re being trolled then just don’t respond. Look away. Do something else.
If you are willing to have a conversation based on the thread topic:
I’d like to know what you meant by
twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts
The context is users blaming the us for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan, and surmised you meant that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts.
Was that a wrong assessment? If so, what blame being placed on the us isn’t supported by the facts?
Hi guys, it’s pissy dickle here. This is one of my lost alts. They seem to be misbehaving. This is sad because I taught all my alts not to use logical fallacies such as:
Others are arguing with facts, you aren’t paying attention, you’re showing clip art of the scarecrow’s phallus. We’re not in debate club, you’re not a teacher, I don’t respect you. The fact that you keep trying to turn your nose up doesn’t make you look like a genius, it makes you look more like a fucking liberal. cause you are, that’s what you. And you’ll achieve jack shit because of it. have fun voteing
borrowed form another comment: “nuh-uh!” isn’t a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
you’re showing clip art of the scarecrow’s phallus
wow, if “scarecrow phallus” is what you see, that speaks volumes about the contents of your psyche. yikes
that said, if you can’t debate your way around “clip art” and the best you have is the argument of a 5-year-old, that’s just an admission that you have no valid argument at all. that explains the whining and childish insults.
wow, if “scarecrow phallus” is what you see, that speaks volumes about the contents of your psyche. yikes
holy shit, this is one of the funniest things I have ever seen. also “I’m not arguing with you.” “Wow, your arguments are shit.” what a brilliant dialogue. like leonardo da vinki wrote it.
Holy shit is this a bit? Do people on here really still believe in a neutral or unbiased press? Shouldn’t virtually every event from the Iraq war onward have already disillusioned you of that?
We also didn’t threaten to kill the farmers for growing it. No shit the Taliban was successful. Comply or die. They’re the ones who were profiting from it anyway. Now that they’re in charge again, religion trumps financial needs.
I’m pretty sure the Talibans (not to defend them, mind you), were already cracking down on poppy farming before 9/11 and the subsequent decade long war.
So how were they benefitting? Or do you mean to say the US and allied forces allowed mass poppy crop farming that was then utilized by the Taliban to fund itself? You know there is an alternative hypothesis: the US and other occupation allied forces tolerated poppy farming to pacify and win over tribal chiefs and keep corrupt Afghan officials squarely on their side. Maybe both were happening, who is to say.
Lmao, how can you justify this shit? Do you really think American was actually trying to win hearts and minds when even you admit high command was protecting child rapists?
Quite a few would disagree with that view, giving how many fled their own country when the Taliban took over again. But hey, don’t let that narrative ruin your perspective. Lol
Of course people who cooperate with occupiers usually want out when the occupation ends. They don’t want to face the consequences of selling out their country.
And of course “when people leave a Bad Country it’s for political reasons, when they leave a Good Country it’s for economic reasons” applies.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1982159006/ is a summary of the Washington Post’s reporting on Afghanistan, specifically on the US government’s own internal assessments from all levels of the military and political administration. In it, you’ll find this quote:
Of all the failures in Afghanistan, the war on opium ranked among the most feckless. During two decades, the United States spent more than $9 billion on a dizzying array of programs to deter Afghanistan from supplying the world with heroin. None of the measures worked. In many cases, they made things worse.
The US doesn’t need “tankies” or anyone else to make themselves look bad as far as the Afghan drug trade goes.
This flew over your head but it is heavily implied that the US’ “war on opium” was in fact a deliberate effort to subsidize opium production and transport, a policy that we have pursued for the benefit of our own state-backed terror organizations in many other countries. Regardless of all other opinions on the US and the Taliban, this is an issue that the Taliban is objectively better than us on, and saying “lol who cares” is not an argument against talking about it since obviously the people in this thread care because they’re in here talking about it.
That’s not the creation of a straw man, that is an accusation I’m making of you, specifically, based on the fact that your comment in no way addressed the idea. If you read my comment you’ll see that I also address your “argument” directly.
I quoted you incredulously asking why someone would post and comment about this and then made a comical version of you incredulously asking why someone would post and comment about this. That’s not a straw man, unless you’re trying to tell me that you’re a scarecrow (because you certainly need a brain).
No, I’m mocking you because I don’t respect you. Why should anyone take you seriously when your only response to any sort of citation is to pretend not to know how to read and post Reddit-tier debate bro buzzwords that you clearly don’t understand the meaning of. It’s hilarious.
ding ding ding! we got an association fallacy, just because you think 1 responder is a troll doesn’t mean they’re all trolls, you didn’t prove that, you just used a fallacy
just because you ignore the proof doesn’t negate it.
I can copy and paste a response to every comment you make as well. It doesn’t make you right, you just copypasta your response and move on. If that isn’t a logical fallacy I don’t know what is
Who said I was arguing with you, dipshit? What would the point of that be? I’ve seen how you act. You ignore literally everything everyone says and post clippings from a high school textbook you clearly never read and don’t understand.
And what the fuck would I be making an argument about in the first place? You aren’t talking about anything. Shame on my comrades for engaging with you for anything other than to bully your ass for being a blight on the conversation other people are having around you.
and your childish tantrums and name-calling don’t impress me, nor does your bullying. all it tells me is that you’re so afraid of losing an argument to a stranger on the internet, it drives you into a blind rage.
that’s how much control you give to strangers because you have no control over yourself.
Are you a fucking smurf? Do you have blue fucking skin?
Do you read the completely different words ‘reply’ and ‘argue’ and just hear “smurf smurf smurf!” in your head? You understand different words convey different meanings, right?
It’s funny as an insult because it reflects both how you used bots to give yourself upvotes (you also post on them with those fallacy notecards of yours, don’t think it hasn’t been noticed) and how you can’t tell the difference between words.
By calling you a smurf I’m saying you’re both a fucking idiot and a pathetic loser who needs other people to think you’re getting social validation but are faking it and are receiving none.
If someone said that shit about me I’d be very upset, but I guess it’s just incorporated into your self image so fundamentally it doesn’t even register as an insult. That’s fucking sad lol.
I hope you’re short irl too so it hits on three levels.
Yeah really funny how all your posts appeared with exactly five upvotes and after that no one upvoted them afterwards.
you’re saying you’re child who can’t argue a point and can only deal with heir anger with name-calling.
Again, you fucking moron, from the very beginning I said I had no intention of arguing with you and that you didn’t have any points to argue with in the first place. Am I wrong? Do you have a point?
Lol if anything it would have been post hoc ergo propter hoc
well, you’re the pro at wielding local fallacies. nice telling on yourself, btw.
You’re bad at doing your own bit lol
I just got you to confess to the trolling you’ve been denying, so… obviously not, lmao
Lmao how the fuck would I know?
you pretend to know lots of things about me. why would you stop making stuff up now? if you can’t even make sense out of your own argument, how do you expect it to make sense to anyone else? LOLOLOL
Neutral. Your core personality trait is just something I learned in school. Except I didn’t fetishize it as being a way to argue itself. And I actually paid attention in class.
Wanna go back and count the number of times I pointed out you never made a point to argue about and tell you how many times you’ve proven me right so far
I appreciate your sympathy but if you’re cognizant of my mental deficiencies it would be good of you to accomodate them if you’re planning on continuing this conversation.
To wit I need an answer please.
Literally just tell me what you think we’re talking about. Come on. You can do it. Don’t be scared. Nice and slow.
Do you think quoting someone smarter than you is going to make your arguments better? That’s actually adorable. And usually you’d be right! But you’re running into the same problem as the fallacy flash cards, dummy. You have to read the words first to know what it says.
The point @AntiOutsideAktion was making is that you have no value as a poster. Your words are meaningless because you are not even trying to say anything you are just trying to be antagonistic.
To him your only purpose in existence is to be used as a speed ball for anyone with a brain to show how many times they can smack your ugly mug. Your only virtue is your ignorance as it makes you keep coming back for more.
He just got a free workout at the dunking gym. He didn’t brake a sweat pummelling your thick leathery brain. He is using you to make himself look like a golden god of shitposting by measuring himself against you. (though his endurance is pretty impressive) If you had any redeemable qualities I’d feel his continued dunking was a bit mean and I’d pity you but you are beyond pity to the point of farce. You seem too pathetic to exist and yet you do. Its a marvel that makes me laugh.
no. I was kinda amused but you are boring now. I think I’ve proven @antioutsideaktion is where the humor comes from and that you are useless except as a prop in the hands of a master. I leave it to him.
All the times you said something was invalid because of this or that logical fallacy.
Two is sufficient.
WE’RE not arguing because I’m not arguing. YOU however have made many arguments, just only over petty in the moment interactions without any larger subject or point you were trying to make.
it’s 3:48a on the east coast. it’s more likely those few people went to sleep than your paranoid delusion is true, even after you keep moving the goal posts.
You know we are leftists here. You can just say you are into your wife sleeping with other men. We respect a diversity of lifestyles. You don’t have to do the whiskey overcompensation persona thing here. We can accept and respect who you are.
You know we are leftists here. You can just say you are into your wife sleeping with other men. We respect a diversity of lifestyles. You don’t have to do the whiskey overcompensation persona thing here. We can accept and respect who you are.
you have a talent for self-contradictory speech. the way you mix the word “respect” with overflowing disrespect, how you espouse leftism and diversity while speaking the sexism and misogyny of a fascist… it’s artful.
It is artful. That is the point. Further, the only sexism I talked about is the internalized negative self image that would lead a person to think ‘whiskey pickle’ is anything other than a cringe attempt to develop a self identity by subverting the worst societie’s worst instincts. Most of us here have done worse, but we grew stronger and passed through that phase. Join us.
artful trolling and disingenuousness is the point? and you proud of that? ew…
Further, the only sexism I talked about is the internalized negative self image that would lead a person to think ‘whiskey pickle’ is anything other than a cringe attempt to develop a self identity by subverting the worst societie’s worst instincts.
OR I like a drink called a pickleback, which is a shot of whiskey served with a pickle brine chaser, and you’ve decided to demonize me because of your own deep-seated insecurities that you’re projecting onto me.
ut thanks for that revolting glimpse into your psyche…
No doubt you like a whisky drink, but why? Is it you are drawn to the stereotypically masculine drink because you feel your masculinity is threatened by some other aspect of your life? It just feels performative is all.
I could be reading more into it that in there. However your completely uncritical regurgitating of western propaganda can only lead me to belive introspection is not a well developed skill in your life.
That you have no personality, no self worth, no critical thinking skills and you are defensive about it. All I see from you are projections and deflections. Honestly, it is a little underwhelming. You can do better as a person.
you have a talent for self-contradictory speech. the way you mix the word “respect” with overflowing disrespect, how you espouse leftism and diversity while speaking the sexism and misogyny of a fascist… it’s artful.
Wtf are you talking about? Nobody said anything sexist or misogynyst. Words have meaning. Saying that you’re into cuckoldry has nothing to do with being sexist to women. It’s rude to you yes but fascist? Come the fuck on. Stop saying socialists are fascist for fuck’s sake it’s unbelievably cringe and nobody is buying it.
you’ve been trolling me since your first comment. to act like you’re interested in “good faith” anything is hilarious, but not as hilarious as acting like a victim because I didn’t give you the satisfaction of getting angry like you 💋
“DARVO is an acronym used to describe a common strategy of abusers. The abuser will: Deny the abuse ever took place, then Attack the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable; then they will lie and claim that they, the abuser, are the real victim in the situation, thus Reversing the Victim and Offender.”
I have only made two comments, one pointing out what they said wasn’t sexist or misogynistic, and another in response to your actually-sexist response.
You also keep upvoting yourself in the most obvious way and it’s hilarious.
It’s sad that you’d make such a piss-poor attempt of gaslighting as if she’s the only one to notice your hilariously obvious exactly 5 upvotes on everything
Yeah, if anything the cuckold fans are likely to be less misogynistic. They can appreciate a woman’s activities without being threatened or offended by their autonomy.
“I know you are but what am I?” is not a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5. (borrowed form another comment)
Operation Enduring Freedom was sold as a war on terrorism
see, you even admit that it wasn’t about opium.
the US repeatedly cited opium as a target of the war because they claimed it funded the Taliban.
you’re welcome to cite sources to back up your claims. and I’ll be happy to point out how the timeline doesn’t support your assertions that the war was about opium, it just happened to be something the US did while we were there.
Or did you think it was retaliation for 9/11 or something?
what I think is irrelevant. that facts are what matter.
I have American friends who died defending those poppy fields. I remember it all very well.
irrelevant. present facts. not anecdotes or your feelings.
Also do feel free to explain how this is any way relevant to the conversation:
correlation ≠ causation
I have, repeatedly. your inability/refusal to understand is not my problem.
You don’t seem to be capable of following the conversation
I’m perfectly capable of noticing when people move the goalposts because they can’t prove their argument with facts, as I keep pouting out. raging about it doesn’t change this fact or any other facts.
Oh my, you are really lost!
not according to the facts. if this continues to confuse you, that’s not my problem.
I’m sorry that I do not know how to find search results from 2001
not my job to prove your argument.
Yes, that’s why I was trying to figure out why you are struggling with them.
“I know you are but what am I?” is not a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
you’ve presented nothing but anger, insults, and logical fallacies, none of which are convincing of anything other than that, when you can’t argue the facts in good faith, you resort to these bad-faith tactics ad nauseam because, so blinded by anger and hate, you can’t handle defeat.
Well that pretty much confirms my suspicions
so you admit to arguing from a position of clear and obvious bias. we get it— you hate the US. this has zero bearing on the facts— just that you like to insult people when you lose an argument.
Ah, so you do realize that it makes absolutely no sense lol
I’m not responsible for your lack of comprehension.
Looks like my job is done here. Rage on, little snowflake.
theres just so many logical fallacies from whiskey pickle here I don’t even know where to start, I’ll just leave this little guide for you maybe you can read up on this stuff a little.
I’m not responsible for your lack of comprehension, learn about logical fallacies or I’m gonna have to call the fallacy police and you don’t want to deal with them
You selectively picked an activity that American soldiers would do everywhere (peeing) over something they did only in Afghanistan (guarding opium fields) only because it would support your argument.
That my dear good m’sir is a classic case of cherry picking.
You selectively picked an activity that American soldiers would do everywhere (peeing) over something they did only in Afghanistan (guarding opium fields) only because it would support your argument.
nope, just an example. you’re not very good at this
Ha you were conclusively proven wrong and didn’t even blink
oh, you mean here?
the US didn’t give a shit about it at all
ya got me there. they did care. still doesn’t prove that it’s why the US was there, and, in fact, several of the linked sources directly state to the contrary against claims that it was.
too bad it’s meaningless and - like always - you’re wrong. lmao
Lol so you initially ignore being wrong, then acknowledge you were wrong somewhere else, then say “well that was meaningless” when you go back to claim you were adult enough to say you missed on that one? …What?
Go back to reddit if you’re going to be a debatelord
wow, you moved those goalposts so fast and with such double-standards, I’m amazed you didn’t snap your own neck with those mental gymnastics. impressive!
I’ve certainly learned a lot about hexbear trolls and what triggers them: getting called out as trolls and images of logical fallacies. just look at you!
The only thing logical fallacies trigger for us is our funny bones
Nothing funnier than a fool who thinks shouting “logical fallacy, logical fallacy, logical fallacy!” over and over again wins any argument instead of just making them look like the asshole they are
DARVO is an acronym used to describe a common strategy of abusers. The abuser will: Deny the abuse ever took place, then Attack the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable; then they will lie and claim that they, the abuser, are the real victim in the situation, thus Reversing the Victim and Offender.
DARVO is an acronym used to describe a common strategy of abusers. The abuser will: Deny the abuse ever took place, then Attack the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable; then they will lie and claim that they, the abuser, are the real victim in the situation, thus Reversing the Victim and Offender.”
I’m obviously biased as an accursed tankie myself, but looking at this thread:
1.) The article wasn’t even posted by a hexbear user.
2.) The level of discourse seems to be pretty level between hexbear natives and other users.
3.) The failure of the US to fight illicit opium production in Afghanistan, despite it being a public aim of the US and its allied government in Afghanistan, is well documented. Just doing a quick look, here’s a New York post article (I know, I know, but it’s well sourced, and certainly not leftist): Why the only winner of America’s war in Afghanistan is opium . It cites the Afghanistan papers and a variety of US and Afghan officials, and illustrates a timeline on how every program implemented by the US to combat opium production only intensified cultivation. The success of the Taliban government in cracking down on it despite far more limited resources suggests either gross incompetence or malice on the part of the US government.
EDIT: I will also point out that the harshest criticism of the US here is from a user from your own instance. That wouldn’t even be allowed on hexbear, so glass houses.
Their complaint with The Donald is that they were mean, and we’re mean, so we must be exactly the same, because liberalism is about being civil and fascism is about being incivil.
You see, brigading is when content that I am interested in is algorithmically prioritized in my feed and I interact with it. The more algorithmically prioritized the content is, the more it’s an inorganic brigade.
No dont you understand Hexbear is an evil cabal who organizes raiding certain posts. What? You cant see that anywhere on their instance? Huh… they must be hiding it… uh… somewhere.
Whenever leftists post outside of their home instance it inevitably breaks down into a rehashed version of “This is America, why can’t you speak American?”
This entire thread is justification for telling hexbear to fuck off.
Why exactly? You have not given a reason. Vaguely gesturing at the thread full of people criticising the US is not a very good reason, unless you are an angry american nationalist.
Glad to see that your instance filter is working. Everyone should be free to curate the content they see.
For the benefit of others, checking your comment history, it is hilarious to me that you’ve never posted in your home instance even once and have the audacity to call us brigadiers.
This is the kind of stupid article that someone publishes to make tankies look fucking stupid, and then tankies rush to defend it because they have completely lost the plot.
I’m not sure if you noticed but when you’re scrolling down your feed list, just below the link itself is a little bit of text that shows the source. Just read it … takes a fraction of a second… and if it’s from somewhere you don’t like then don’t open it. Just move on.
Moderators … please pay no attention to posters like this, you’re doing a fine job and we thank you. Keep the news coming from various sources abd let us decide for ourselves if we want to read it. Like adults.
Well I mean barring your personal dislike of the source, it does report an objective fact: opium cash crop farming exploded under the US / Joint alliance occupation and decade+long anti insurgency war, and died out once they left.
And this objective fact DOES raise important questions: what in the hell was the US doing all this time? They had infinitely more resources than the Talibans do now to subsidize non opium crops for farmers, to encourage diversification and development, etc. Did they turn a blind eye to the mass scale poppy farming? If so, why? It generated huge sums, was it a strategic use of and encouragement of corruption of local Afghan administrators and tribal elite to “make the occupation easier”? Did some money return to western elements? What was the impact on world trafficking?
Like you can dislike mintpress news but IMO it’s important to, now that the US/West occupation of Afghanistan is over, not swipe it all under the rug and investigate.
Fighting the Taliban? The objectives had nothing to do with the war on drugs. I thought it was well known that the reason there was hardly any opium farming in Afganistan before the invasion was because of the Taliban.
We can go on about how the invasion failed catastrophically but. This is just Afganistan going back to the way it was.
If you’re so much of an intellectual coward that the only thing you can do is cry propaganda when presented with a dissenting opinion, then you should go back to reddit.
idk if the article mentions it but Afghanistan has often had a horrible opiate problem. The Taliban crackdown on poppy cultivation is one of a very, very small number of “I guess I have to give it to them in this one very specific instance”.
And as near as I can tell there’s nothing cynical about this. The Taliban wants to stop local opioid production because of the horrific harm it does to Afghanis.
To be technical, did the US actually fund the Taliban when it got started? The Pakistani intelligence service did, and the Taliban were only able to take power because of the US-backed Mujahideen alliance rapidly descended into civil war when the Soviets pulled out and the Afghan government fell, but idk.
All the armaments the US supplied (most of which actually came from China) to the Mujahideen was distributed by Pakistani intelligence services - that is true. However, the US knew perfectly well who the Pakistanis were giving these weapons to - it had been longstanding US foreign policy SOP to nurture and support far-right, reactionary Islamism as a counter to middle-eastern nationalism. That’s the reason the “big bads” in the middle-east now are people like Osama and not people like Arafat.
La Corporacion: the biggest Bolivian cocaine cartel, the “GM of cocaine”, started with the cooperation and protection of the CIA according to a DEA agent whose investigations into them were repeatedly thwarted by the State Dept and CIA
Los Zetas, one of the most notorious cartels which normalized the paramilitary aesthetics and functions of cartels, was founded by School of the Americas graduates.
The DFS is a former Mexican intelligence agency that oversaw the assassinations and torture of communists and supposed communists. It was founded by the CIA, and partially funded and trained by the CIA. Several members later went on to use their training and field experience to start their own cartels as well. One of which led to the creation of el chapo
Kind of make sense that Opium is eradicated since there is an embargo preventing export, causing an economy collapse. Any government regardless of their ideology leanings that wants to preserve power would switch their cash crops into sustenance crops.
See Cuba and the DPRK after the 90s or China post-split
Again this is not a pro-Taliban statement, this is just how insurrection happens to take over a country by building a parallel economy and governance within the country or global economy (see 1st Chinese Civil War until the defeat of the KMT by the communist force)
The us was using opium as a weapon of war against russia and iran. Its well known and the public health concequences in both those countries were horrific
But since mexico has orders of mag itude more state capacity than the taliban their failure to solve opium problem makes one almost certain the us goverment is also behind that.
You got a source on that? Last I checked Opium is an excellent cash crop that the Taliban used to fund their guerilla war with the US. Now that the Americans are out there is no point to keep growing it.
Just search opium in russia or opium in iran. You will see that its a huge problem there. You will also see both countries complaining to the us that they are maliciously increasing opium production.
Last I checked Opium is an excellent cash crop that the Taliban used to fund their guerilla war with the US. Now that the Americans are out there is no point to keep growing it.
The source for that claim is entirely from the US state department. Not to mention some expert disputed that claim
“The estimated all-time high for opium production was set in 2017 at 9,900 tons worth some $1.4 billion in sales by farmers or roughly 7% of Afghanistan’s GDP, the UNODC reported.”
“Mansfield says his field studies show the most the Taliban can earn from illicit opiates is about $40 million annually”
So the Taliban made at most 40 million per year while the entire country (under US occupation and control) made over 1 billion per year
USA frooze the National Reserves of Afgahnistan after their Ho Chi Ming City Replay , thereby actually punging Afgahnistan into Starvation crisis und accelerating the switch from Cash Crop to Food Production , this has now increased the Water Use in the helmaz river valley thereby is leading to borderclashes with iran over the water use.
Not really. The river was also closed to iran during the american ocupation. In fact the taliban actually released watter at some point. Less than they should have but more than the previous regime.
The border clashes have nothing to do with that and more to do with the taliban organization being run more like a mcdonalds than a regular state. Sometimes a franchise owner decide they want to invade iran and get into a shootout. But the central command in unaware of that.
This is one of the dumbest articles I ever read. The entire government changed. Taliban can be dictators. The US couldn't. On top of this, they essentially had two years to switch to wheat before this occurred. Something that was less economically feasible over two years ago due to an unfortunate food shortage in the area now.
Asking why someone couldn't get something done as quickly as a dictator is something a naive child asks.
What facts does that change. Do you have a seperate non-tankie source that says the US did everything it could to stop opium production? It’s quite clear letting it go on suited them.
You are the one implying we should ignore the points in the article because of its source.
They grabbed all the oil and couldn’t even try to kill the opium industry. They fucked the whole country, bailed on it and let it go to crazies, and it’s THOSE crazies that finally do the right thing. And all it took was a couple of sticks,what a joke.
The US military complex is fucking disgusting and shits all over wherever it decides to raid next. But I guess any reason to bootlick is a good one. Pathetic.
Ah yes, establishing a democratic country by pillaging it’s resources, letting the drug industry grow and then giving the whole country wrapped up in a bow to the Taliban. At least your country’s propaganda budget isn’t money wasted.
I’m not praising the Taliban, a group btw built by the US. I’m saying if they managed to so easily destroy the opium industry, there is no reason the US couldn’t on their “peace keeping” mission. Except there is a reason, and knowing the CIAs track record, it’s easy to guess what it is.
But keep drinking the Kool aid. “America number one. It’s not called pillaging if we are bringing democracy to savages. Our guns only shoot rainbows and we only bomb civi city centers when they deserve it.”
I guess all logic goes out the window if you can utter the word tankie just like in the 70s when you could ignore a person points by screaming commie. Not like that word is being instilled in you specifically so you can blindly follow your leaders. I bet you don’t even know just how far down your face is bent.
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