ThereRisesARedStar

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ThereRisesARedStar,

Thats not really a cogent definition of fascism, you’ve got to look at the material changes as liberalism moves into fascism not just the rhetoric

Americans of Lemmy, what is your approach to next year's election?

2020 was… truly unique. It was so hard to stay away from doom scrolling, and I (and many others) were pretty disillusioned by the sad fact that so much of our country legitimately supported the Orange Man. I didn’t get a wink of sleep the night of the election because I genuinely considered it to be a make or break decision...

ThereRisesARedStar,

The bourgeois elections are the least important part of politics

ThereRisesARedStar,

Don’t forget to go metamagic adept so you can cast them without any indication that it is you twice a day! Or multiclass into sorcerer!

ThereRisesARedStar,

It isnt first past the post. It is bourgeois democracy. Things would be the same if there was one party or twenty so long as the bourgeoisie own the state.

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

Reminder that the OUN, which helped do the holocaust, used the phrase “Slava Ukraini” as their motto

ThereRisesARedStar,

As a transbian, fuck no it isnt, that is liberal bullshit. Marriage is a patriarchal institution.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Yeah lmao

ThereRisesARedStar,

The critique of marriage as a patriarchal institution was invented by anarchists lmao. I’m just a “tankie” but I’m well read on anarchist lit, why aren’t you as an anarchist?

ThereRisesARedStar,

I’m not aware of any queer anarchist critiques that don’t acknowledge that marriage, especially as recognized by the state, is a patriarchal institution, they just go on to elaborate how that can be subverted within queer culture. Do you have any links or recommendations for writings that argue that marriage recognized by the state isn’t a patriarchal institution at all?

ThereRisesARedStar,

Breaking news: White gay man doesn’t recognize his privilege within the broader queer community, and now the weather

ThereRisesARedStar,

tankie seeing everything as a power struggle

Anarchists are also rightfully obsessed with criticizing hierarchy and power what are you talking about? What do you think being an anarchist means?

ThereRisesARedStar,

Not being threatened with homelessmess would have helped me infinitely more than the right to be married.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Well, what happens when the guy doing physical assault wants you on his side vs the verbal abuse guy? Thats the US running propaganda on China.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Reality. bourgeois hegemony

ThereRisesARedStar,

Are you really suggesting the DPRK is worse than Qatar? Lmao.

Only the US will kill 20 percent of a population, establish a right wing military dictatorship in the south, and paint the democratic and progressive north as an evil regime worse than an absolute monarchy.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Oh, the country where after ww2 a waffen ss tattoo would get you in.

ThereRisesARedStar,

excellent protection of indigenous culture

Lmao, this is like saying the US has excellent protection of indigenous culture.

Recognized or not, it is a independent political, economical, and cultural entity from China. Calling it part of China is just unhelpful burocracy.

Except for the part that they claim they are part of China, are strongly economically coupled with China, and are full of Chinese people, sure.

ThereRisesARedStar,

jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Here is a mainstream Jewish holocaust survivor saying equating the communists and fascists is holocaust trivialization.

ThereRisesARedStar,

This you? hexbear.net/comment/3889149

Typical Russian bullshit. I hope the dwindling, future generations of Russian scum know why they’re pariahs, unable to travel outside of their smoldering wreck of a never-great, failed state

Cause honestly this comes off as incredibly racist and nationalist.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Have you considered there are other reasons besides nostalgia? Like the massive life expectancy and qol collapse under capitalism?

hexbear.net/…/32fb41e8-a5d4-41c0-9001-b3103bb4389…

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

Hey, whoever told you those numbers is lying to you. The nazis killed 11 million people in the holocaust and 26-27 million soviet citizens. High estimates for people killed by the USSR outside of defeating nazism, failures, and sabotage is in the 100,000s, which is noticeably lower than capitalist oligarchies like the US and Britain. Also killing people based on them wanting to bring back old caste systems through violence is morally distinct from racism based mass killings.

The difference is that Hitler was after one specific group of people and wanted to eradicate them.

Also this isnt true, Jewish people, Roma, nuerodivergent people, disabled people, trade unionists socialists, communists, gay people, trans people, the list goes on.

Also you’re still equating the two after being told doing so is holocaust denial. You’re saying “well they killed equivalent amounts of people!”

ThereRisesARedStar,

Who would have thunk the anticommunist was racist.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Transphobic too? How surprising.

ThereRisesARedStar,

They literally say that the intentional killing was around 1 million. Wikipedia is a notably right wing anticommunist source, and they say a million intentional deaths.

So you were lying?

ThereRisesARedStar,

Life expectancy link.springer.com/article/…/s41294-021-00169-w

Oh yea, like if you are religious you are a threat to the state and therefore you are unfit for basically any leading role, or your property might be confiscated and you might be sent of to Siberia ?

Anti religion is needlessly antagonistic but also wasn’t enforced like you are suggesting: www.marxists.org/reference/archive/…/13.htm

Lines for food namely bread and if the stars aligned meat.

According to the anti-communist cia their nutrition was in many ways better

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&…

Also breadlines are common under capitalism.

Big amount of corruption ?

Yes, theft from the public has definitely decreased since the the collapse. /s

Mandatory conscription to the military (and the corruption there too) ?

There are plenty of countries that do that after they lose around 20 percent of their population in a brutal war. Like Vietnam, for example.

Iron curtain ?

You mean the one the west put up? news.stanford.edu/…/stalin-not-want-iron-curtain-…

Free speech and freedom of expression ?

Western countries have more sophisticated censorship and media apparatuses I give you that. Speak out in a real way though and look what happens to people like Fred Hampton.

ThereRisesARedStar,

How is saying Stalin wasn’t a great guy either denying the holocaust?

You aren’t saying that though, you are saying that they killed an equivalent amount of people. You’re morally equating them. Also even the CIA didn’t consider stalin a dictator in their since declassified internal documents, treating him as one is another way you were taught to equate the USSR with nazi Germany.

Yes ofc, but a big percentage of the deportated people were Jewish. They killed two thirds of the European Jewish population.

I know, that isn’t the only group they targeted though. I was simply correcting an inaccuracy in what you said.

No:

Sorry, I thought it was high hundreds of thousands but it was actually a million. My mistake. Still, that is in no way similar to killing upwards of 35 million people in the name of bigotry.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Also without open source the capitalist tech sector would collapse

ThereRisesARedStar,

No, marxism is a lense through which to analyze capitalism. It isnt communist by itself, although marx was a communist.

ThereRisesARedStar,

suppose you could make an argument that a non-communist dialectical materialist is also a Marxist

That’s my argument

though I’ve never seen it used that way in practice.

Sometimes capitalists spout marxist shit and it is recorded. Marxist capitalists are the worst because they have an understanding of the contradictions their counterparts dont. More commonly there are non communist Marxists in philosophy.

I agree that almost all Marxists are communists, I just felt your initial response was a simplification that lost more meaning in the simplification than it necessarily needed to.

ThereRisesARedStar,

:gulp:

I have no formal training in philosophy maybe I need to read less philosophy if philosophy undergrads aren’t being exposed to it

ThereRisesARedStar,

I work in software development. Almost all modern architecture would collapse without the open source ecosystem.

ThereRisesARedStar,

What I meant was that if we didn’t have it to start with, things would’ve likely still developed albeit much more slowly.

I dont think we will ever know, but Im not sure I agree. I dont know what the landscape would look like without relying on open source and patent theft. A lot of the stuff would probably not be financially viable.

ThereRisesARedStar,

I’d argue you’re just describing vulgar idealist(as opposed to materialism, not cynicism) philosophy.

ThereRisesARedStar,

We love tankie kira

ThereRisesARedStar,

Read “The economy and class structure of german fascism” to gain a cursory understanding of the subject before opining on it again.

A Cuban teenager was offered a job doing 'construction work' in Russia. Instead he was sent to fight on the front lines in Ukraine. (www.businessinsider.com)

A Cuban teenager unwittingly found himself on the front lines of the war in Ukraine after accepting a job offer he received on WhatsApp to do “construction work” for the Russian military, according to Time magazine....

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

Cw: pedophilia, rape

Or call me when Russians start kidnapping children like the Americans did in…oh wait that’s unique to Russia

If you plug your ears and say “lalala” you can ignore the mass kidnapping of vietnamese and cuban children. As well as refugee children that is still ongoing and is connected to pedophile rings.

How about when America stops using rape as a tactic in war…oh shit they did that a century ago

They literally are still raping US female soldiers at ridiculous rates. What do you think they do to women they’ve been trained to dehumanize?

folks, this is the nerd who claims fascist states are freer than socialist states

ThereRisesARedStar,

Cuba and Russia, both which exist as they exist because of US meddling. The US was directly responsible for the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR without which this war wouldn’t be happening. The US is directly responsible for cuban economic desperation as they’ve been sieging Cuba ever since the communists overthrew the US puppet dictator and installed a socialist democracy.

ThereRisesARedStar,

You literally said this

Or call me when Russians start kidnapping children like the Americans did in…oh wait that’s unique to Russia

And cried whataboutism when they pointed out you were wrong by bringing up what Americans did.

ThereRisesARedStar,

Lol they cited articles from AP proving you wrong in the modlog

ThereRisesARedStar,

1 and 3 are pretty directly political lol

ThereRisesARedStar,

He is making fun of people who scream whataboutism I think

ThereRisesARedStar,

www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Cuba_2019

Cite the excerpts that support your claims.

ThereRisesARedStar,

So people can directly vote in that portion and that makes the system authoritarian?

What if they voted “you cannot advocate for exterminating x minority” would that also make it authoritarian?

It seems to me you’re pointing at direct democracy and screaming authoritarian because it doesn’t align with what you would have voted for.

ThereRisesARedStar,

What makes it authoritarian is the fact that you cannot change the structure of government from socialism to a different system if that is what the masses want. Authoritarian states are labeled such due to the structure of their systems.

They could pass a constitution that doesn’t say the socialism is an integral part of cuban justice. They just didn’t.

Did it occur to you that there is a very important reason for this, connected to why Cuba is more free than your country?

As an aside you are using a lot if words that you very clearly do not know the meaning of. You can fix that.

Are you upset by me describing a constitution made from the grassroots and passed by a vote among the entire population as direct democracy? Because Cuba is a mixture of representative and direct democracy but in this case it was entirely direct democracy.

ThereRisesARedStar,

You can’t choose your government, your top executive

You have more say in your government because the bourgeois media apparatus doesn’t manufacture support for their favorite candidates. All candidates get the same amount of advertising… You also cannot choose your top executive in the US, where the executive holds much more power.

nor can you suggest changing what kind of Marxist state you want to achieve.

Source? They’ve agreed that they’re some kind of socialist, Marxists in a political context are all socialists.

Cuba’s constitution wasn’t created by direcy democracy. Direct democracy would mean ALL Cuban citizens would be part of creating the constitution.

Look into how it was made. Everyone was given the opportunity to contribute.

Being able to vote doesn’t make a state democratic when they can fix the vote like Cuba can.

Again, you still haven’t provided any evidence that they fix votes, and you can’t, because international election observers have looked at their election process and haven’t found any evidence that they fix votes. Not letting fascists run isnt “fixing the vote” it is a democratically agreed upon overton window.

Even IF the USA went fascist it would still be freer than almost all socialist nations

The US literally has 100, 000 people in concentration camps and has the largest gross and by capita prison population in the world, which is often used for slave labor. US cops extrajudicially execute 1000 people a year on the conservative side. The US supported apartheid while Cuba sent soldiers to fight against the apartheid government, but yeah, Cuba is the unfree place.

because the kinds of people attracted to socialism aren’t interested in any opposing views or critiques as you are proving right now.

“You’re not agreeing with my misinformed and ignorant takes which proves how close minded you are”

Record scratch, let’s rewind to something

Even IF the USA went fascist it would still be freer than almost all socialist nations

Okay, but have you considered:

olimar-point pikmin-carry-l pit pikmin-carry-r barbara-pit

ThereRisesARedStar,

Okay, but have you considered, in response to your claim that fascist governments are freer:

olimar-point pikmin-carry-l pit pikmin-carry-r barbara-pit

Alternatively, a source that should meet with your standards: link

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

The DPRK is the least free society on earth right now if you consider that to be socialist

Let me guess, you get your propaganda about them from the country that killed 20 percent of Koreans so that it could keep its fascist puppet dictatorship going, or from its allies.

Hungary, which has fascists in the highest office, is freer than DPRK

It is funny how ignorant you are on what fascism is while claiming I’m ignorant. Have you actually researched how fascism is distinct from liberal democracy? Because liberal democracies with fascists in office can exist without becoming fascist. Fascism is primarily a switch in the primary way of increasing profits changing from abstract surplus labor extraction to concrete surplus labor extraction. If you dont understand what that means, literally learn basic economics.

Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge was quite possibly the least free society in history if you consider them socialist.

Let me guess, you consider the nazis to be socialist too huh? Honeslt this reeks of not knowing your history and falling for the “nationalist socialist” label. If you have a 101 knowledge of their history it is obvious that they weren’t socialist.

Keep crying your tears child because you clearly cannot argue from a position of knowledge.

rage-cry

Tankies that take socialism as a religion are the WORST.

People who take anticommunism as a religion to the point where they endorse fascism as an alternative are the worse. Consider: barbara-pit

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