Israel has continued bombarding Gaza’s south despite telling 1.1 million people in the north of the besieged enclave to relocate there ahead of an expected ground offensive.
“We were displaced from Tal al-Hawa to Rafah at the request of the Israeli army, and this is what happened to us. My son is a 3-month-old martyr,” the father of a child killed in an attack in Rafah told Al Jazeera.
I’d be careful with using these numbers as they are difficult to verify and often come from Hamas themselves. That is not to dismiss lives lost but raise awareness about committing to accurate information.
Were you this skeptical about Ukraine, Xinjiang and elsewhere too, or is it just going to be a thin wrapper of Palestinian sympathy over your enforced support for Zionist Anglo empire agenda?
Here’s the problem. In making your point you can’t help yourself but make assumptions about my beliefs and stances. You should always be careful about your information sources no matter the topic at hand.
Think of what Palestinians are going through if you feel this way. I had to stop looking at the corpses and small children being torn apart. But I don’t regret it, it only made my resolve stronger to counter the lies.
The previous mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau, ended their status as sister city with Tel Aviv over the systematic crimes from the state of Israel against Palestinians. The immediate reaction of the Israeli embassy was denouncing her as antisemitic, both in the media and in courts, which recently found her innocent.
The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades, and that’s a very dangerous game for the well-being of Jews in a world where actual nazis are slowly gaining power, because once you’re run the term down through the ground, calling actual hate crimes against Jews “antisemitic” will no longer have any meaning.
The position that denouncing Israeli crimes is antisemitic has been the official position of Israel for decades,
At this point, that’s just a template answer, not different than the template answers China delivers everytime someone says something about the Uygur genocide, the Hong Kong occupation, or claims over Taiwan.
If people want to tie their religious identity to a nation state and call me antisemetic when I criticize that nation state – the same as I criticize any other nation state – they are in fact trivializing the experience of those who experience actual antisemitism.
I’m sure they don’t see it that way, but it’s hard for me to see such an attitude as anything other than disrespectful of one’s own history.
You won’t hold the media you are invested in accountable for the manufacturing of consent for this, because they’re the same ones that feed you your ‘orange man bad’ content. You’ll give them a pass.
So, so tired of that rhetoric. Trump is a POS, I don’t need ‘orange man’ content to know that. He’s definitely on the top ten worst presidents list. You automatically qualify for that list when you foment an insurrection.
the rhetoric that makes you accountable for supporting media companies that manufacture consent for illegal wars. lie, and spread propaganda. yea i bet you are so tired of it.
Israel humiliated Biden during Obama’s term when Biden went to visit Israel and suggested in soft words that they don’t expand illegal settlements. Israel basically said screw you in the press conference, and Biden took it like an obedient slave. Really showed the world who holds his leash.
I’m German, it’s so depressing that our nation’s stance on this will always be: We stand 100% behind Israel.
Discussions exist and it’s being debated a lot on TV. People are pretty much appalled, with what Israel is doing.
Anyone, that feels the least amount of compassion towards other people, is not ok with this. Disregarding religion, nationality, race or whatever community they belong to. There’s no way to justify this, no way at all.
Edit: 5000 dead and they haven’t even sent in any troops yet.
Muslims consider adulthood to begin with puberty, 15 years of age. It’s not uncommon for Muslim military soldiers to be under 18. In the west, we consider anyone under 18 children.
It’s still terrible and I’m not saying they’re not children. I’m just pointing out that many of these children are legal adults and adult soldiers in their own culture.
Those same people don’t want children to die at either.
To militaries and the vast majority of western ethics… There’s a huge mental difference between terrorist attacks that discriminately shoot innocent children and families, from bombing those who are unlucky and happen to be near the bad guy.
Most armies would happily Dr. Manhattan just their enemy combatants out of existence if that were possible.
For places like this though, their hatred runs deep. Civilian casualties are part of the business when you’re packed that deep and using innocent people as shields.
Channel 5 news had a a couple of great segments with Israel/Palestine rallies which put this acceptance and manufactured outrage on display. It’s very much part of what both Israel and Hamas are accounting for.
Edit: Oh no! Reality in my public forum!? How dare he!
This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.
This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.
Did anything that you read register or did you just blindly imagine something defending Israel lol?
To militaries and the vast majority of western ethics… There’s a huge mental difference between terrorist attacks that discriminately shoot innocent children and families, from bombing those who are unlucky and happen to be near the bad guy.
You’re literally rationalizing Israel (and other countries like Russia and US) going in and killing children deliberately as unlucky. Israel knows they are killing children. The moment the fucking number of “casualties” is half children then they should fucking stop.
For places like this though, their hatred runs deep. Civilian casualties are part of the business when you’re packed that deep and using innocent people as shields.
But, no, you aren’t doing apologia. It’s just part of the business! So let’s turn around and ignore what’s happening 🙌
This is whataboutism but the same crowd has the opposite opinion when it come to Russia and Ukraine. And Ukraine didn’t even shoot missiles at Russia first.
So it just appears to be alignment with certain groups and countries rather than honest worry about anyone’s wellbeing.
I condemn both and I have written my representative that I wish my country had a more nuanced reaction to the current escalation. I wish we could sympathize with all civilians caught between two groups of murderous assholes.
Does the UN or some other more neutral org have numbers? I mean, the Gaza Ministry of Health kinda has incentive to exaggerate civilian casualties, just like the IDF has incentive to say “everyone in that playground we hit with that airstrike was an Islamic Jihad Terrorist”.
While I definitely kind of agree with the sentiment. Just statistically. It would be hard for this to not be true. The numbers overall might be a little different. But considering the average person in Palestine is 18 to 19 years old. Age groups over that rapidly dwindling. It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that at least half, if not more, would be children.
Yes 5000 is horrifically high. And if there’s anything we’ve learned from watching the atrocities unfold over the last 70 years. Is that you don’t believe either side without evidence.
Thats not even unrealistic to me when I remember the fact Gazas been bombed more in two weeks that Afghanistan ever got in a full years time. Afghanistan has a land area of a quarter of a million square miles and Gaza has an area of under 150 square miles.
You’ll never see exact numbers. Some people don’t have anyone to report them missing, some bodies are never identified, and some are never found or completely destroyed.
You’re absolutely right that there will be variance, and that each side has incentive to inflate death counts, etc. Other orgs will likely not produce their own numbers until after this mess is over. Check the Wiki pages or B’Tselem pages on previous assaults on Gaza to see how the numbers can vary, that’ll give you an idea at least.
it is such a weird angle to take, since the Gaza concentration camp is shut off from the rest of the world, without power. Journalists are not allowed in, neither are any and all humanitarian organizations.
Until the apartheid state open up the Gaza concentration camp, we will just have to take their word for it.
When Israel makes any claims, the outside world can in one way or another visit, inspect and verify.
If Israel wants more certainty on statistics of innocent dead people, they should end their siege.
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