I imagine one major reason they cut electricity to Gaza is to make sure cell towers are dead and phones lose charge so there’s less evidence coming out of the crimes against humanity they’re planning to commit.
Some of the takes that I’ve seen on this are bizarre.
You can hate that Hamas has murdered innocent civilians, and you can ALSO hate that Israel has murdered innocent civilians.
Some of us are just genuinely disgusted by the sheer amount of innocent people dying. It’s terrible, and nothing anyone says will ever make me believe that those innocent people deserved to die like that. Some of them only have the “crime” of being born there.
I’m not from the US, but it irks me to see so many people calling anyone from there a hypocrite for being upset over it, solely because of the United States’ previous involvement. Many of the people commenting are probably not the same people who wanted to join the war back then. Many of the people commenting may have not been old enough to vote for the government at the time. Millions of people are not one single homogeneous life form. Every person has their own mix of thoughts, feelings, experiences, emotions, hopes, and dreams. These things help fuel how they see the world around them. No two peoples stories are exactly alike.
As a USA citizen we suffer from a culture of “blind patriotism and stupidity.” A lot of people believe anything the USA did in the past is right because the USA did it. A lot of people believe all other nations are inferior, living in the USA it is very easy to be isolated from other nations. I personally find it easy to write nonsense on Lemmy from the safety of my couch.
In this logic no country can ever be retaliated against for acts of war and their war crimes. Israel should just sit back and allow their people to be killed. They won’t do that and as far as most of the world sees it as Hamas representing the area. Why should we hold Israel to a higher moral standard than anyone attacking them?
Yeah, somehow I doubt that Mossad will go after the leaders hiding in Qatar. And that’s not because they can’t, there are a lot of Nazis who could vouch for their capabilities when it comes to assassinate people in other countries.
Fund extremists to prevent the Palestinians from getting their shit together and making headway towards their own state and then act surprised when said extremists backfire hard.
And of course, it’s innocent civilians on both sides that pay the price.
Revenge rhetoric. It seems to me that there is zero practical way of crushing Hamas. It's not like they wear Hamas uniforms or carry Hamas membership cards. In fact, there's no guarantee that key Hamas leaders are even still in Gaza right now, as they could have easily fled the area. To make matters worse, the members of Hamas who are still in Gaza are likely to be in plain clothes and fighting with guerilla tactics in a familiar and dense urban environment, it'll be a bloody fight and many Palestinians will wind up getting caught in the crossfire. It's also very likely that we start seeing broadcast Hamas executions of Israeli hostages, which will only increase hostility.
The situation in Israel and Palestine is already awful, but I imagine it's going to rapidly become much worse over coming days. I feel so sorry for the innocent people on both sides of this conflict whose lives are being ruined for literally nothing.
As much as I hate to say it, it has to happen and this will get worse before it gets better. Allowing people to cross boarders and execute civilians, and civilian captives can not be allowed to stand.
I hope US carriers are there to attempt a rescue, but I’m not holding my breath.
Yes, let’s go back to the status quo where humans in Gaza were dying silently in inhumane conditions, and where the humans in the West Bank and the rest of Israel were treated like subhuman where Israeli settler’s backed by the Israeli military would freely commit acts of terror against them.
It’s easy to call the people you don’t like “terrorists” after you put them in the world’s largest open air prison, allow them no voice in their governance, deny them basic human necessities, and they predicably act out of desperation .
What’s hard, and the right thing, is the force holding the bigger gun exercising restraint in their response.
But we’re sending two aircraft carriers to back up that already far superior force as they punch down and possibly do a genocide. No amount of conditional soup makes organized religion worth the continuous, murderous madness it brings.
If you’re willing to kill real people or die for an imaginary friend, you’re the problem.
I mean after a while you begin to realize Islam is not the religion of peace and left to ferment anywhere will lead to extremism and terrorism. I think it's time to make a very strong statement that this won't be tolerated.
Why don't the people in Gaza just give up and live in peace with Israel? It looks to me like that's what Israel was doing considering they could've wiped them out at any point prior to this.
Hamas people literally shot-up a music fest, murdering a whole lot of civilians, kidnaping even more. Where would you draw the line before calling them terrorists?
Maybe when they’re no longer perpetual prisoners. When you make hope impossible, you make vengeance an alluring alternative.
The US was founded on revolting against hilariously less tyranny than this. If you were a Palestinian watching your oppressor host lavish concerts for their children as yours starve, would you tell them that peaceful resignation is the only option?
There are no good guys in this conflict, only slightly varying degrees of dehumanization, cruelty, and violence.
If Israel or Palestine wanted peace, either or both of them should become secular states. But neither values peace. They both value believing they’re some imaginary god’s soldiers in some stupid imaginary soul war. Human life > anyone’s stupid ass religion. If they want to pray to Pikachu at 2am hopping on one leg except on Saturday nobody cares, but making your fantasy other people’s problem at gunpoint makes you wrong, every time. It is no less insane than shooting a d&d dungeon master in the chest with a gun because you lost your buff roll. It’s bonkers that we support any theocracy, let alone one proud theocracy over another.
This guy didn’t call Israel good. He just said if you shoot up a music festival, you’re a terrorist.
If you put even 10% of your energy you put into trying to be heard into trying to hear then you could probably aim your homilies at the people who need to hear them. You could maybe engage in an actual dialogue if you read before you typed.
Alright, when the same media that condemns Hamas for terrorism also condemns Israel for terrorism, when the same countries that supply weapons, ammunition, and just about anything that can be used to kill people either also supply Palestine with the same resources or just NOT GIVE ANYONE WAR-RELATED RESOURCES AT ALL, then we can talk about condemning Hamas.
It’s really interesting that we have seldom seen journalists and news agencies asking Zionists if they condemn X atrocity, but see it all the time with Zionists.
This guy didn’t call Israel good. He just said if you shoot up a music festival, you’re a terrorist.
If you put even 10% of your energy you put into trying to be heard into trying to hear then you could probably aim your homilies at the people who need to hear them. You could maybe engage in an actual dialogue if you read before you typed.
You say that as if they’re a rival military force. You say that as if Hamas hasn’t repeatedly attacked Israeli soldiers on the only scale they can manage, single digits at a time, only to have the Israeli government retaliate against civilian populations from a distance in far larger numbers. Hamas cannot oppose the enemy actively oppressing their people on symmetrical terms. They only have targets of opportunity.
Israel, on the other hand, can and do unload on civilians regularly, the global media just doesn’t consider those civilian deaths to be newsworthy.
That kind of language really isn’t that uncommon from Likud members. They very often use language and threaten “solutions” which are alarmingly similar to what the Nazis said about the Jews.
Maybe it’s about time to suggest to Israel that, instead of spending all that money on bombs and missiles, that gas chambers would be more cost effective.
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