With all do respect friend, I’m assuming most of us here that really care about privacy ditched Gmail very early in our privacy journey. I think virtually every policy Google enforces, including phone validation has some element of data collection in mind. We can debate whether providing the phone number is an information grab or a security measure, but I’m fairly certain it’s both to some degree. If one cares enough about privacy to post in this community please start looking for a privacy respecting email provider, then start abandoning Google services like the plague at a pace you can tolerate. Don’t move too fast on your journey, the inconvenience is rough, but liberating your digital life is priceless one step at a time.
i was pointing at lay-user of smartphones that don’t want to give facebook or google their phone number while they are already spied on by countless companies with Google and Meta among them,
same people probably have pasted some appropriate clause on their facebook
I do agree that adding some kind of backup option is probably a good idea. For many people, losing their email account would mean being locked out of basically all their online accounts (or, in case the account gets compromised, it would mean that all other online accounts would now be compromised too). The majority of people do not use password managers or 2FA, and I’ve made the experience that many people simply cannot be convinced to make online security a priority. While I’m also a FOSS and online privacy advocate and use tons of self hosted services for that reason, having some way to regain access to their Google account is almost certainly worth the extra data point that Google gets access to. Especially since the likelihood of them already knowing about your phone number is basically 100% if you are logged in on an Android device.
You dont even need google to access your emails for that. You dont even need to be a google user at all, unfortunately.
I think the phone number is easily found by google, by all their users synching their contact list… If you’re google and you have 100 people Synching John B. Smith with number 123 in Region A of the world, you’re pretty confident that that the person and the phone number are linked.
Imagine you didn’t even heard about google, but some of your colleague/friend use Google contact synching (which is very default these days) And ta da! Google knows your name and number with 99% percent of accuracy.
I used to work in support for a phone manufacturer. I spent more hours than I’d like to know helping people navigate Google account recovery because their only computing device was their phone which they just got replaced under warranty and they don’t remember their Google password. The lucky ones had set a recovery phone number and/or email, the unlucky ones were simply at the mercy of the ivory tower that is Google
Have you people never heard of a phone book? Phone numbers aren’t sensitive information. If they want to scrape your phone number they can legally and trivially do so through public data sources. Google does plenty of sketchy things around privacy, but this isn’t one of them, it’s just about security.
I mostly agree, however setting your phone number includes the verification process. With that, Google knows for near certain that this is indeed your number.
Is your mobile phone number in the phone book? Mine isn’t. I guess you could use a landline number to prevent giving out information that isn’t publicly available, but I’d wager most people using these sites these days use their mobile phones. Also even my landline isn’t listed in the phone book.
I have been slowly de-googling my life. I bought a domain, and have my email hosted on no-ip.com for like $15 a year now. Has been working great for the past 8 months. I have switched all my important login accounts to those accounts. I’m still keeping the spammy store logins and such on Google. The only thing worrying me about loosing with my Google account are all my app purchases going back back to the day it existed.
I hate how reliant I’ve become on my Gmail. My banking, all my accounts, my job, etc.
I think email should be regulated, because of how much of the modern world relies on them and you can get fucked over and locked out super easy, and trying to change the email on some services isn’t just hard, it’s impossible
Regulation is slow, full of drama, scales poorly, & can result in a legal thicket that teams of lawyers can navigate better than the individuals it’s intended to advocate for. Decriminalizing interoperability is faster & can handle most of the small/simple cases, freeing up our community/legislative resources to focus on the most important regulatory needs.
Google locked me out of my account for not giving them my phone number. Even though I used the correct password. Even though I verified myself through the recovery email, which has been the same for ages. Even though I wasn’t using a VPN or connecting from a public network. Even though there was no reason to think my account or credentials were compromised.
They are, in fact, extorting phone numbers from people.
Thankfully, I don’t depend on my google account for anything, but I’m still stuck receiving spam forwarded by gmail, because I can’t log in to turn off forwarding. (I’ll probably have to filter it out at some point.) I honestly hope they just delete my account after some months without a phone number.
I still have a Gmail account but I’m trying better solutions… Maybe my own hosted system. Whether I pay google or a hosting company with open source software is the same money, the latter means privacy
So Google will not let me log in to my account unless I provide them my phone number? But at the same time they require a regular log in (at least once a year or every two years), so your account doesn’t get deleted?
I have an old Gmail account, I don’t use anymore, but it’s tied to my name, so I wouldn’t want someone else to use it at some point. I thinks there’s one email client that regularly connects to that account. I hope that will be sufficient to preserve it, but I would not feel comfortable giving them my phone number, when I have no other links to Google services (this may be different, if you use an Android phone anyway).
Google can close your email account down at any time for any stupid reason they like and their nonexistant support will leave you standing in the rain without access to years of mails. Switch to a paid mailer with actual support ASAP
I once paid for Lavabit email and it was then raided by the NSA/CIA/FBI (Snowden case) and they shut everything down. I lost access to my account and to a 3rd party account that had a considerable amount of money pending withdrawal. I was never able to get the money. Lesson learnt: paying for your email won’t save you.
I rarely use my old Gmail account, now when I try to log in they ask me to get into a logged session of Google to verify it’s me, as I have no session open with my Google account, I can’t do it. It’s been a time I wasn’t able to log in back to Google without an error message “Google can not verify it is me who is trying to log in”… I don’t know how to log in, I have the emails re-directed to my new email provider and I still get emails, one of the emails I got is that if I don’t log in the next 2 years, my account will be deleted, so looks like I lost this account with all the data of when I was younger, it’s sad, but I don’t really need google. This could be an example of “account closed”, as I have no open sessions to verify myself and Google should know it.
Creating a new Google account isn’t even possible without a phone number anymore. I had a new account which I didn’t use in a while and it decided I need some old phone number to confirm my log in. There’s no way to log in, recover or delete the account. There’s no way I’m putting my daily account to that risk by giving them whatever phone number I have now
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