Can you easily communicate in your country (business/private life) without being involuntarily forced to use whatsapp?

… is it possible to do any kind of business and/or have regular conversations without having to use whatsapp as a main way of communication?

If you’d like you can say in what country you’re living.

0ne0ff,

South America, Brazil. Everything has been taken by meta. From private to business. If you don’t use it, you get that look as if you were some strange unfit person. Try to challenge somebody asking why there is no alternative, you’ll get that look again. Doctors, lawyers, real estate, rentals, pharmacy, schools, online classes, local business, everyday communications, online purchases, receipts, invoices, returning items you bought, financial advices, government related stuff (gov won’t do a damn thing to include another official channel of communicating, it suites them very well, “Please use whatsapp for your convince, we want you to be satisfied”, not the other way around. You ain’t survive without this crap. Don’t resist or else.

0ddysseus,

That is fucking horrifying. How did it ever get to that point?

0ne0ff,

Cellular carriers were charging disproportionately for sms and calls, so people where looking for cheap alternatives and unfortunately meta/facebook zucced the entire nation by being in the right place at the right time (with enormous help of word-of-mouth marketing that sealed the deal and some additional help coming from meta I suppose). Government never cared nor questioned why everything was provided for free, zero cost, no questions asked and regular folks didn’t have time or even bother to do some research. And on the top of it, local carriers to make things even better, introduced the zero-rate for zucced app which basically elevated this crapp to some divine status. And now we have wechat called ZAP, as a solution for every kind of communication. Nowadays even if you proved that this crapp is doing some harm to you in alot of ways, nobody would care. It’s as normal as flipping on a light switch, simply nobody think about it anymore, it’s there and that’s about it.

0ddysseus,

That’s absolutely awful. I wish there was something we could do or some advice that might help but I have nothing. I hope some radical change comes along in the future and fixes this ☹️

justlookingfordragon,
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German here. My last employer was visibly confused when I told him that I neither have a Whatsapp account nor a smartphone, and didn’t want either one. Apparently it was his preferred way of changing shifts last minute and he was pissed that I didn’t want to participate in that bullshit. So you want to send me a notification after effing midnight that I have to come in at 5 AM instead of 6 AM? Miss me with that shit.

Luckily I found a better job elsewhere (and they do NOT require any social media accounts - if they want to change something, they call me and ASK whether I am ok with it).

FartsWithAnAccent,
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That’s crazy, my employer won’t even call my cell phone unless it’s a dire emergency, which pretty much never happens.

Beeps,

My employer is the same and they added it to my pay when they did have to once.

FartsWithAnAccent,
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Mine used to give me a stipend and when they stopped that I told them I won’t be using my personal phone for work anymore. They never called or gave me shit over it. My old boss called me once after that but that was to go get a beer.

phar,

Did you get a beer with him/her?

RogueBanana,

Wouldn’t be easier to use them instead of him/her? Just curious

phar,

If you want the real answer, I had already typed him realized it could have been a woman so then did slash her. Them would have been easier if I had started that way. The way I did it I’m not sure which was easier. But it’s what I did and I’m sticking with it.

RogueBanana,

Ah kk. Nothing wrong with it at all, I was just curious why.

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Yup, we ended up doing happy hour on a semi regular basis with a few people from work up until the pandemic.

HardlightCereal,

Australia, I have never used whatsapp

vzq,

NW Europe here.

I can’t stop using WhatsApp without taking a significant hit to my social life.

0ddysseus,

Australian here. Don’t know of anyone who uses WhatsApp. Different organizations and demographics uses a range of different platforms like Facebook messenger, MS Teams, Slack, Discord etc. From my perspective those are all about the same level.

At least most official comms either government or business is SMS, phone, or email.

Happy for other Aussies to correct me of course, thsrs just my quick perspective

uncle,

America. Most everyone uses SMS. Unlimited SMS texting is standard for nearly all cell plans.

Borkingheck,

I wish my contractor subby group admin would use discord. We will have several site visits which need up to six people in attendance and there is only the whatsapp for organising it. I often think it would be easier to have a discord with different rooms for each site visit. That would mean id only reveive notifications about my specific not work and not every single interaction.

ThrowawayPermanente,

In Panama literally everyone uses it.

TheRealBob,
@TheRealBob@lemmy.world avatar

USA here. Only reason I have WhatsApp is to stay in touch with friends in Europe and South America. Not a single one of my American friends or relatives uses it.

SevenDigitCode,

Yep. USA is really just iMessage/SMS, with maybe Discord/GroupMe sometimes

WhipperSnapper, (edited )
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My friend group uses google the same way apple users use imessage. The implementation has changed many times over the years (google chat, sms integration, hangouts chat, whatever), but it’s always basically been the same thing and it’s usable from any device. That’s my main complaint about ~~signal ~~ and telegram: if I’m at home, forget using my stupid tiny phone, lemme do it from my PC that I’m probably on anyway.

edit: tried to strike out signal, but it’s ignoring the formatting I guess.

phar,

You can get signal for Linux, windows, and macos

WhipperSnapper,
@WhipperSnapper@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s good to know. I think when I tried it before, I ran into issues signing into multiple devices at once. Chances are, I just got the apps confused in memory though. Thanks!

RedIce25,

Norway. I’ve never used WhatsApp and don’t know anybody that uses it. Everybody is on Facebook messenger, snapchat or discord.

dosesingko,

Yes, whatsapp isn’t popular here, but we are forced to use Facebook Messenger so Zuck’s got it covered.

Philippines.

aldalire,

It’s a tragedy. I’m trying to get my (filipino) mom to try signal haha.

jacktherippah,

I’m from Vietnam. It’s the same here. Facebook seems to be really popular on Asia huh?

dosesingko,

I blame Farmville and Zynga for that, by the time Facebook introduced video games in there, Friendster got abandoned.

loaExMachina,

For now I haven’t had to use it for work or school, but it’s really common for organizations and student groups, so I’d be missing on a lot if I completely stopped using it (France).

expr,

I’m in the US. Never used Whatsapp in my life, and don’t know anyone that does. I just text people. It would be weird if someone tried to get me to use WhatsApp and tbh I’d probably just say no.

At work we use Slack and Google Meet.

palebluethought,

+1, in the US Whatsapp is the thing you download when you’re traveling abroad, and has no other presence at all

megsmagik,

In Italy everyone and their mom use Whatsapp, even if I need to communicate with a business like for ordering a medicine at a pharmacy, I can call them on their land line (absolutely no thanks) or I can send them a Whatsapp. I have telegram just for public group chats and matrix for the fediverse group chats, no one irl use signal or matrix, a few have telegram but WhatsApp is the standard here

Zuberi,

This is mainly a China thing no? Any chemical suppliers we contact use WA

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