achille225,

It seems the title is misleading to some people : France is just banning the use of SINGLE-USE vapes, not all vapes.

nicetriangle,
@nicetriangle@kbin.social avatar

Hard to blame them. The amount of e waste is staggering

autumn,
@autumn@beehaw.org avatar

good. i found a ton of these nasty little things in my backyard when i moved into my current house. the house was (no surprise) previously occupied by a bunch of undergrads.

maynarkh,

Isn’t that a massive fire hazard apart from being bad for the environment?

vhstape,
@vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I do not take personal issue with vaping. Humans have been consuming nicotine for thousands of years, and even though it is unhealthy, I don’t think it’s ever going away. However, the article specifically covers the banning of single-use vapes; and I absolutely agree that these have to go. They are extremely attractive to children and adolescents, and they’re terrible for the environment. I think the best approach toward regulating vapes is to ban flavors and disposables.

Syldon,
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

I cannot understand why there is no law banning the sale of Vape mixture to kids in any shape or form. Prohibition does not work where there is a desire to use a product, and vapes are so easy to manufacture that it will never be effective.

SenorBolsa,
@SenorBolsa@beehaw.org avatar

There is in most countries. Unless you mean shortfills you are meant to add nic to? In the US those still firmly fall under the laws restricting sale of vapes. Don’t know about the UK or Europe, I know those products exist there though.

Otherwise you can’t legally sell bulk nicotine to underage people, obviously the other ingredients are used for such a wide variety of things they can’t really be restricted like that.

Syldon,
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

I just checked. It is illegal to sell nicotine vaping products to anyone under the age of 18 in the UK. Hands up, I am guilty of making assumptions here.

vikinghoarder,

Disposables are very bad for the environment, but in retrospect, so are normal AA batteries, used once and tossed away, regulation on those should also be considered.

Banning flavors is not, hopefully, an option, as the components of the juice don’t have and inherent flavor, unlike tobacco plants.

SenorBolsa,
@SenorBolsa@beehaw.org avatar

Alkaline batteries are great for remotes and stuff like that, where they potentially last years, in those applications it seems very reasonable, my TV remote still has the included AA batts and I bought it 3 years ago. But they end up getting used in higher drain devices and it gets a bit absurd. Still, at least people aren’t rocking around with their boombox with 6 D cells that last 8hours.

SenorBolsa, (edited )
@SenorBolsa@beehaw.org avatar

As a long time e-cig user and enthusiast I agree. I thought we got away from that garbage a decade ago, but then it came back. I don’t get it, it’s expensive, it sucks, and it’s mind bogglingly awful for the environment.

I don’t even love the idea of pre built coils but I compromised for the convenience now that they are actually good. Feels a lot less bad to toss a little bit of steel and kanthal every few weeks.

I can’t really get behind banning flavors, but less attractive packaging and only allowing open refillable systems would be a huge step to slowing adolescent use, they pretty much all use disposables because they can be bought at gas stations and you have to go to a smoke shop to get the refillables. Not to mention dropping $60 on a mod+tank isn’t as easy to start as $10 for a disposable.

I think the flavors are a big part of why they can be effective as cessation aids you start to no longer associate tobacco with it which helps a lot. I no longer smell someone smoking and get cravings.

Zworf,

Especially the single-use ones are really bad for the environment. I don’t mind this.

However I think vaping is a good way for people to detox off cigarettes (by slowly reducing nicotine content) so banning vaping as a whole phenomenon is a bad thing IMO. Perhaps it could be prescription based for people who are trying to kick cigarettes.

Plume,

Ban vapes, but won’t ban cigarettes…

Aussiemandeus,

Vapes harm people and cigarette companies spent a lot of money to hide the fact that so do their products

marco,
@marco@beehaw.org avatar

I’m still pretty convinced that vaping is less harmful than smoking, but it’s also easier …

ShellMonkey,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

Hoho, buy how vuld we maintain ze image of ze snooty fenchman with ah rideeculously long cigarette holder zhen?

danieljoeblack,

Don’t ban them, that’ll just start up a black market for them which way less safe and also makes sure the government doesn’t get any portion of the sales to fund healthcare.

I say slowly ramp up the tax on them, incentiving smokers to quit. The higher price would also help prevent future smokers from picking up the habit since they’ll be so expensive, for pretty much no gain.

Plume,

I say slowly ramp up the tax on them, incentiving smokers to quit.

That’s what they’ve been doing for years. It doesn’t really seem to work and is effectively just a tax on the poors.

tux0r,
@tux0r@feddit.de avatar

Good. Vapers look like clowns with a flute.

Lophostemon,

A flute carved from a stick of fuckwit.

BlinkerFluid,
@BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

If they smoked, they’d be dead.

I wouldn’t have to look at them anymore.

cwagner,

As someone with box mods: Huh, you know weird flutes.

tux0r,
@tux0r@feddit.de avatar
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