Engywuck,

Oh, look, THAT meme. Again. For the100th time.

Folks, I don’t care what under the hood. Brave serves me much better than Firefox did. And, frankly speaking, “not being chromium” isn’t enough anymore. Mozilla has ruined Firefox for me when they started removing features (e.g., FTP support) and dumbing its UI/UX. So, goodbye FF, it’s been a long ride, but I’m on Brave right now.

InFerNo,

But, Brave doesn’t do FTP either? And it’s full of crypto nonsense.

branchial,

Brave is managed by Brendan Eich who had to leave Mozilla because he is a homophobe.

That and they have been doing some selfserving things with BAT to the point where I wouldn't trust them even if BAT became something worthwhile or maybe even especially then.

Engywuck,

Brave is managed by Brendan Eich who had to leave Mozilla because he is a homophobe.

Eich was a cofounder of Mozilla. Wasn’t him an homophobe back then? Did someone stopped using FF because Mozilla’s cofounder was an homophobe?

And, frankly speaking, I couldn’t care less about him or his believing. I need a good browser. Brave is a good browser (better than Firefox, for me). The day I find something better, I’ll migrate. Full stop.

That and they have been doing some selfserving things with BAT to the point where I wouldn’t trust them even if BAT became something worthwhile or maybe even especially then.

Again, the whole BAT thing is opt-in and it’s not the point here.

branchial,

When it became public yeah people protested some websites were even putting up warnings for Firefox users.

Engywuck,

Yeah, but people are still using a browser originally made by an homophobic guy. Shame on them! /s

ionaru,

Unpopular opinion, brace yourselves.

As a web developer, I would love to root for Firefox but they've made some really odd decisions regarding the implementation of web standards (which are published on the Mozilla MDN site, oddly enough), async/defer script loading order for example. Firefox is also often multiple years late with implementing new tech, being surpassed by Chromium and even Safari most of the time.

While I love the non-profit style of Mozilla and think competition in the browser space is a good thing. The reality is just that their browser lags behind the other two. Firefox is a large part of the reason polyfills are still used in this world of evergreen browsers, and requires multi-browser testing/tweaking even though I exclusively follow the standards written on the MDN website...

void_hunter,
@void_hunter@lemmy.world avatar

first of all, this meme gets posted a lot. second, but more importantly, the format should be reversed. in this scene of the film, Peter Parker sees clearly without glasses, and blurred with glasses, coz he's been bitten and his eyesight is restored. /flies away

Antik,
@Antik@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t know why, but even on my machine which gets 40-60 FPS in FFXIV while simultaneously encoding a movie, Firefox was always slower than chromium browsers.

I truly don’t understand it.

monobot,

Depends on what sites you are using, google sites are slower for me, others are faster.

Also looks like chrome is better at looking faster somehow, probably starts to render page sooner.

And of course: wgich extensions do you have in firefox and how old is your profile. Try it out with new, clean profile and than you will feel it.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Blink is somewhat faster than Gecko in most sites, but it use somewhat more resources, because render every tab independly. Because of this some Chromium hibernate tabs in background (Chrome itself don’t)

InFerNo,

It’s web builders deliberately building their sites and webapps for chromium based browsers only, because it has over 80% market share. They only test on firefox rudimentally. The experience is subpar and people use chromium instead because of it, cementing chromium as the most used browser. Some site builders do this because they don’t have the time to extensively test a browser with low market share, others, like Google, do it deliberately.

stalling4866,

Linux setup (PopOS) - Home and daily driver.

  1. Firefox (hardened): My go to everyday browser
  2. Firefox Beta: For financial sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
  3. Firefox Nightly: For other sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
  4. Brave: for use with just one site for reading with Dark Reader extension.
  5. Firefox Developer’s Edition (hardened): Another option, as needed.

Windows setup - Home. Really only use for disc media ripping and burning.

  1. Firefox (hardened)

Windows setup - Work

  1. Firefox (hardened): Daily driver
  2. Chrome: For when something doesn’t want to work on hardened Firefox.
Eheran,

What do you mean with hardened? Why beta for financial stuff?

stalling4866,

Hardened = Firefox hardening. Hardening is an option that I choose to implement to improve some aspects of privacy and security of beyond the out of the box Firefox factory settings. I use the settings as recommended in the book, Extreme Privacy - 4th Edition (2002) by Michael Bazzell.

I use the Firefox beta version only for one specific financial account (Chase) that will not work with hardened Firefox. I use the the Firefox beta version with no changes to the default out of the box settings. Using the Firefox beta version allows me to log in to my Chase account while still connected to my VPN.

PrivateOnions,

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  • CaptainMinnette,

    For years Firefox on Windows had this weird random bug for me where audio just would not work at random times. I tried every fix imaginable. I spent hours crawling the internet trying to find a solution. Couldn’t fix it. I’ve used it on Linux but not on Windows for a few years now; I’m going to be doing a fresh install of Windows on my computer soon, so we’ll see if the bug finally disappears then.

    Contramuffin,

    I do that (100+ tabs open at any given time) due to my work (research tends to take up a ton of windows) and because I’m too scatterbrained to focus on a single thing at once, but even then I find that Firefox is really good and arguably better than Chrome. Maybe Chrome has improved since I switched over, but Firefox uses significantly less resources than the Chrome that I remember

    hare_ware,

    I have ~800 tabs open in Firefox, no real issues unless I flip through all of them or Tab Groups shuffles them all around. My desktop until recently was over a decade old and the new one is barely any faster.

    AndreTelevise,
    @AndreTelevise@lemmy.world avatar

    I only have three extensions - uBlock Origin, a 3rd party password manager, and SponsorBlock. A fairly minimal setup with only the things I need. Even the Return YT Dislikes extension is not as necessary as people would think.

    AgentOrangesicle,
    @AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

    You sound like someone that doesn't open 200+ tabs of furry adult imagery on e621 while playing processor intensive games.

    I mean... I'm obviously not that person either, but it would be cool to have the RAM to support it or the correct web browser if I was that type of person. But I'm not. But having that capability would be nice (not because I need it).

    ...I don't look at furry porn.

    burgundymyr,

    32GB of RAM is less than $50, I just built a new PC, and it was the easiest upgrade I made to my build, regardless of what you put in your tabs

    ShittyKopper,

    32GB of RAM is less than $50

    Cool, now how much is it outside “the US and maybe select parts of Europe where it’s close enough”? Because not all the world uses dollars, and certainly not US dollars.

    burgundymyr,

    Probably depends on where you are, how much is it for you?

    ShittyKopper,

    It ultimately doesn’t matter where I am from. I’m just trying to highlight the fact that not all the world is the US.

    burgundymyr,

    I'm relatively familiar with the global population distribution, but not at all familiar with the pricing differences. It's the price of RAM drastically different outside the US?

    buxtonwater,
    @buxtonwater@lemmy.ml avatar

    I run at 16GB of RAM and have 40+ tabs open 24/7. There are zero RAM issues, you need to plug your leaks.

    Willer,

    No cap ong

    MrFunnyMoustache,

    Even when having 500+ tabs, Firefox is very stable.

    Bumblebb,

    What happened to brave?

    ttmx,

    Nothing happened, it’s just always been chromium

    dustojnikhummer,

    Wasn't always, it had it's own engine very early

    ttmx,

    It was Electron, which is chromium :P

    iamhazel,
    @iamhazel@beehaw.org avatar

    Samsung browser is chromium based?

    ttmx,

    Yep

    iAmTheTot,
    @iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

    Peter Parker saw more clearly when his glasses were off.

    IsThisLemmyOpen,

    Meanwhile on iOS, bottom image is all Safari.

    gkd,
    @gkd@lemmy.ml avatar

    Hopefully not for much longer…

    MT_Book_Wyrm,

    I would love to use Firefox more regularly, but the shortcut keys built into the browser are a pain in the butt. I haven't found a way to turn off the onboard keybindings so my own system wide keybinds will work.

    Any tips would be appreciated greatly!

    LazaroFilm,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    Then there’s Safari on iOS….

    illogical_virtues,
    @illogical_virtues@kbin.social avatar

    "everything is Chrome in the future!"

    buxtonwater,
    @buxtonwater@lemmy.ml avatar

    Firefox supremacy! Keep the non-chromiuim branch alive forevermore, no centralization please.

    CIWS-30,

    This is why I use Firefox. I honestly don't think that a browser engine monopoly is good for the world. Single point of failure for everyone with no alternatives is very bad if something nasty happens.

    I think the creators of WINE said something similar about one of their reasons for creating WINE. Wish more browsers would use Gecko.

    _I_,
    @_I_@kbin.social avatar

    I actually use Edge as a daily, but I also use Firefox because I want to support them. Unfortunately, Edge and Chrome are superior to Firefox in performance. Edge especially is really really great at resource management, and it doesn't matter if I have 1 or 700 tabs and windows open. It'll manage it without any issues. Firefox however, won't. Sure, it's rich in features and it's very very flexible, but it's not as stable or fast as the former.

    Still love Firefox, though!

    Facni,

    Well if you use Firefox Nightly with ad-blockers and the latest version of Windows Defender the performance will be comparable to edge and chrome, the only thing is that Firefox uses the RAM that you are not using and that means if you have something open it will run slower.

    HubertManne,
    @HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

    cpu and memory on my firefox and edge are about equivalent but I have some browser add ons for managing lots of tabs. I have way more on firefox because its my main browser but I have a fair amount on edge which I use like scratchpad.

    TONKAHANAH,
    @TONKAHANAH@lemmy.world avatar

    I just wish chrome wasnt so fucking useful by comparison. its integration into my android phone is equal to none. the firefox browser on android is ok but it does not integrate quite as well as the whole google platform. then there's the performance on linux. I hate to say it but chrome feels so much smoother and nicer to use on linux than even firefox does. I've tried making the full switch to firefox several times, last time I daily drove it for probably almost 3 months but eventually found my way back to chrome, it was just a more enjoyable experience.

    then there is the fact that every website builds their code to ensure it works with chrome, that is one advantage of chrome being the vast majority of the browser user pool, web devs can focus on making sure the one thing works really well.

    that all said, just like wine and linux, it is important that we have a completely separate alternative so we're not entirely reliant should the ship start to sink. I've already fully converted to linux and its been my daily driver for a few years now, not looking back. I know plenty of people are still on windows but with ever new release it feels like they're doing more and more to punch holes in the SS.Windows ship and i'll eventually be a sinking boat for enough people who see that an alternative exists. Same will need to be said for chrome vs firefox

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