marcus,
@marcus@posta.no avatar

I really like Vivaldi. Their management even seems kinda ethical.

nonearther,

I don’t know if it’s just ethical or their unwillingness to improve but they have left a lot of issues open for several years.

Issues like -

  • Auto dark mode for web pages - they removed it when Chrome for Android dropped it, but never picked it back up. All other browsers have it now
  • Geolocation on Mac. Their argument is weird for this and the issue is still there for over 5 years
  • A lot of changes nobody asked, something like address bar auto complete, which they forcefully changed to top sites without even giving options
  • Slowdown because of bloat - while a lot cliam that it isn’t the case, Vivaldi has brought my M1 Mac to its knees, even with brand new instace. Again only one to do so
siriusmart,

absolutely proprietary

Auckify2,

Vivaldi.com/source

siriusmart,

“Vivaldi browser is part open-source, part closed-source” They can make it sound great, but in the end its not. vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-open-source/

citytree,

Another alternative: GNOME Web (a.k.a. Epiphany), which is based on the WebKit browser engine.

siriusmart,

it's kinda lacking in features and unideal for the same reason I don't like safari

citytree,

it’s kinda lacking in features and unideal for the same reason I don’t like safari

I hope they implement support for WebExtensions soon. That would probably give GNOME Web a huge boost in features.

ekZeno,
@ekZeno@lemmy.ca avatar

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE.👍

I’ve switched to Firefox 2 years ago and I never missed Chrome since. Out of curiosity I’ve tried Opera GX a week ago only to find out that it is basically another chromium skin. Honestly I’m quite worried by the lacking of alternatives. 🦊 Be Strong Foxy✊️

Smk,

I still remember version 2 of Firefox. It was an awesome feeling to install. Even today, just using Firefox still feels like I’m doing to right thing.

smartwater0897,

I think there is nothing like it. It’s not perfect but it’s damn good still.

ionaru,

Unpopular opinion, brace yourselves.

As a web developer, I would love to root for Firefox but they've made some really odd decisions regarding the implementation of web standards (which are published on the Mozilla MDN site, oddly enough), async/defer script loading order for example. Firefox is also often multiple years late with implementing new tech, being surpassed by Chromium and even Safari most of the time.

While I love the non-profit style of Mozilla and think competition in the browser space is a good thing. The reality is just that their browser lags behind the other two. Firefox is a large part of the reason polyfills are still used in this world of evergreen browsers, and requires multi-browser testing/tweaking even though I exclusively follow the standards written on the MDN website...

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Peter Parker saw more clearly when his glasses were off.

saluki,
@saluki@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I just wish Mozilla would put more work into Firefox. Don’t get me wrong, it is fantastic and it does a lot really well, but Mozilla are frolicking off with their next investment that very few people have interest in, all while the Firefox community are suffering from some slower development.

This isn’t meant to be a Firefox rant, I love Firefox.

Slopz,

Vivaldi > All browsers

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

If only it was FOSS…

Slopz,

Parts of it are. Vivaldi wants to retain its brand and doesn’t want people making forks and potentially tarnishing its reputation. And given how unpopular it is, they can’t really afford that to happen. I personally have no issues with Vivaldi wanting to keep things that way and I don’t mind it not being completely FOSS. Given how absolutely amazing the browser is and how customizable and feature-packed it is, it’s absolutely irresistible for me not to use it.

Here's a blog post from Vivaldi about it not being completely FOSS and their reasoning

They've also got a great privacy policy so I'm not concerned with privacy either.

Fun fact: Vivaldi is the go to browser for car makers such as Lamborghini, Mercedes, Audi and other car manufacturers https://vivaldi.com/android/automotive/

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

I know about why they don’t want to make it fully open source and I love how feature packed it is but I don’t want to use non-free software as my web browser.

siriusmart,

absolutely proprietary

pingu,
@pingu@feddit.de avatar

Isn't Vivaldi a bit overkill/bloated? It has so many utilities integrated (mail, calendar, …)

Catweazle,
@Catweazle@vivaldi.net avatar

@pingu, I've been using it for 7 years and it has never appeared overloaded. There are some of the functions that I do not use and because of that I have hidden, however there are many others that come in very handy. But this is handled differently for each user, depending on how they use the browser. You can use extensions from the Chrome Store, but most are redundant in Vivaldi and not needed. You can give it the simple look of an old IE or of an Eurofighter panel and everything in between.

pingu,
@pingu@feddit.de avatar

Oh ok, because when I tried it I was a bit overwhelmed about all the features that it has. And with every feature enabled at the beginning, the browser was a bit lagging.

tarneo,
@tarneo@lemmy.ml avatar

Librewolf, icecat, qutebrowser, iceraven, surf… are not chromium-based.

cowmouse,

Qutebrowser is chromium-based, and barely anyone uses icecat since the modern web heavily relies on JS, iceraven is a Firefox for Android fork, which could maybe have like 50 users and librewolf is unusable for daily usage because of RFP (resist fingerprinting worsens a lot of sites that rely on canvas). (This is just my opinion)

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

I use Librewolf on a daily basis. (With disabled FPR)

cowmouse,

Yeah, it's a lot better if you disable RFP, but it still wouldn't save my passwords and enabling Firefox Sync isn't accessible. Again, it's just my opinion.

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Saving your password in your browser is a really really bad idea, use a password manager instead, like keepassxc (desktop), keepassxd (android).

pingu,
@pingu@feddit.de avatar

Agree, but I use Bitwarden. I prefer it because it syncs my passwords from pc with my phone.

Gert_vK,
@Gert_vK@lemmy.nz avatar

Very true !! For me Enpass On Linux pop-os and on my Pixel running graphene-os Perfect Enpass basically big database with more then just passwords Contacts, notes, files …😊

pineapplelover,

FPR is the main selling point of librewolf though

isotope,

More people should be aware of Nyxt as I believe it's one of the greatest efforts towards a customizable browser out there. It aims at being renderer-agnostic, but it currently only supports Webkit and there are plans to support Blink via Electron. I built some extensions for it in Common Lisp and I can say the ecosystem is much more fun and open than standard browsers.

fellow_nerd,

Do you know of any vi extensions or configs I can look at for Nyxt. The OOB experience isn’t great, but I see the potential. EDIT: Also tree tabs if possible

isotope,

vi support is built into the browser, you only need to enable vi-mode in your default-modes. There is no concept of tree tabs, you manipulate tabs as "buffers" that you can switch to via fuzzy search, which IMO is far more efficient. You can take a look at one of the core maintainers' config. Alternatively, I've recently added a Guix home service and feature into rde for those that want a more batteries-included config, which you can check how I use in my dotfiles

fellow_nerd,

Thanks. I’m not so much interested in tree tabs for switching around, but to bulk close tabs based on origin. Basically to bulk delete tabs based on how they were created. But it seems flexible enough.

CapnAssHolo,

Honest question. What's wrong with chromium? I understand why google/ms and other corpo flavours are bad, but why is base chromium bad

Contend6248,

One big life-changing thing will be something like Manifest V3, limiting ad-blockers capabilities. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-still-hurts-privacy-security-innovation

Rules for thee and not for me kind of stance when it comes to who is collecting all the sweet data from its users, it wont be possible to block every tracker and ad from Google in the future because every add-on will have a limit of how many domains they are trying to block.

I mean what could possibly go wrong if the biggest data collector and ad provider has a monopoly on web browser?

Why is it bad to use chromium base browsers? If the market is essentially only Chromium and Safari, Firefox compatibility will be even less important and broken sites will only lead to a bigger monopoly because users will switch.

smartwater0897,

And people still support and use Google search so the monster just continues growing.

I guess we get what we deserve as a species.

BrokenToshy,

I've tried to move away from Google search so many times but honestly it's just too convenient..

Contend6248,

Startpage, Google results without Google tracking.

They still get some data, but you can use something like DuckDuckGo as main and Startpage as fallback.

pingu,
@pingu@feddit.de avatar

I started using Startpage it takes Google searches and gives it to the user anonymously. The results are quite good because it's essential Google results.

Catweazle,
@Catweazle@vivaldi.net avatar

@pingu @BrokenToshy, Startpage is my secondary search engine, mainly for images, the other secondary most used is Mojeek, but my main and first search is Andisearch (AI) with unique features and one of the most private search engine out there

https://andisearch.com

pingu,
@pingu@feddit.de avatar

Just tried it a bit, and it seems good, the summary on the left and the website on the right is a great UI (my preferences). I will test/try it for daily use and see if it can handle my often complicated problems…

Catweazle,
@Catweazle@vivaldi.net avatar

@pingu, normally it solves it very well, in all the time that I use it it has given me good and reliable answers. On very few occasions it failed with any expression, but then it offers a direct search on the net.

Engywuck,

Oh, look, THAT meme. Again. For the100th time.

Folks, I don’t care what under the hood. Brave serves me much better than Firefox did. And, frankly speaking, “not being chromium” isn’t enough anymore. Mozilla has ruined Firefox for me when they started removing features (e.g., FTP support) and dumbing its UI/UX. So, goodbye FF, it’s been a long ride, but I’m on Brave right now.

InFerNo,

But, Brave doesn’t do FTP either? And it’s full of crypto nonsense.

branchial,

Brave is managed by Brendan Eich who had to leave Mozilla because he is a homophobe.

That and they have been doing some selfserving things with BAT to the point where I wouldn't trust them even if BAT became something worthwhile or maybe even especially then.

Engywuck,

Brave is managed by Brendan Eich who had to leave Mozilla because he is a homophobe.

Eich was a cofounder of Mozilla. Wasn’t him an homophobe back then? Did someone stopped using FF because Mozilla’s cofounder was an homophobe?

And, frankly speaking, I couldn’t care less about him or his believing. I need a good browser. Brave is a good browser (better than Firefox, for me). The day I find something better, I’ll migrate. Full stop.

That and they have been doing some selfserving things with BAT to the point where I wouldn’t trust them even if BAT became something worthwhile or maybe even especially then.

Again, the whole BAT thing is opt-in and it’s not the point here.

branchial,

When it became public yeah people protested some websites were even putting up warnings for Firefox users.

Engywuck,

Yeah, but people are still using a browser originally made by an homophobic guy. Shame on them! /s

Antik,
@Antik@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t know why, but even on my machine which gets 40-60 FPS in FFXIV while simultaneously encoding a movie, Firefox was always slower than chromium browsers.

I truly don’t understand it.

monobot,

Depends on what sites you are using, google sites are slower for me, others are faster.

Also looks like chrome is better at looking faster somehow, probably starts to render page sooner.

And of course: wgich extensions do you have in firefox and how old is your profile. Try it out with new, clean profile and than you will feel it.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Blink is somewhat faster than Gecko in most sites, but it use somewhat more resources, because render every tab independly. Because of this some Chromium hibernate tabs in background (Chrome itself don’t)

InFerNo,

It’s web builders deliberately building their sites and webapps for chromium based browsers only, because it has over 80% market share. They only test on firefox rudimentally. The experience is subpar and people use chromium instead because of it, cementing chromium as the most used browser. Some site builders do this because they don’t have the time to extensively test a browser with low market share, others, like Google, do it deliberately.

stalling4866,

Linux setup (PopOS) - Home and daily driver.

  1. Firefox (hardened): My go to everyday browser
  2. Firefox Beta: For financial sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
  3. Firefox Nightly: For other sites that don’t like hardened Firefox.
  4. Brave: for use with just one site for reading with Dark Reader extension.
  5. Firefox Developer’s Edition (hardened): Another option, as needed.

Windows setup - Home. Really only use for disc media ripping and burning.

  1. Firefox (hardened)

Windows setup - Work

  1. Firefox (hardened): Daily driver
  2. Chrome: For when something doesn’t want to work on hardened Firefox.
Eheran,

What do you mean with hardened? Why beta for financial stuff?

stalling4866,

Hardened = Firefox hardening. Hardening is an option that I choose to implement to improve some aspects of privacy and security of beyond the out of the box Firefox factory settings. I use the settings as recommended in the book, Extreme Privacy - 4th Edition (2002) by Michael Bazzell.

I use the Firefox beta version only for one specific financial account (Chase) that will not work with hardened Firefox. I use the the Firefox beta version with no changes to the default out of the box settings. Using the Firefox beta version allows me to log in to my Chase account while still connected to my VPN.

Bumblebb,

What happened to brave?

ttmx,

Nothing happened, it’s just always been chromium

dustojnikhummer,

Wasn't always, it had it's own engine very early

ttmx,

It was Electron, which is chromium :P

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