I would imagine the performance hit comes more from the simulation complexity, afaik Bethesda games tend to simulate everything all the time so the bigger the worlds get the more power is required
If this follows the cycle of No Man’s Sky and Cyberpunk, it’s a matter of time before we see the first YouTube videos titled ‘Starfield is good now??’
It almost seems like releasing unfinished games is the way AAA developers crowdfund. Sure, the people who preorder get burned, but then there’s a second wave of sales waiting when the game ‘gets good’.
Drop the price of the original, but let it coincide with the release of an ‘expansion’ to offset the difference and you can sell the game again to the people who held out.
Meanwhile YouTubers rake in views, first on the wave of rage and later on that redemption arc, because people do want games to be good after all.
I suppose that’s true. Maybe the common factor is just it being a very highly anticipated game. But I don’t think that not being AAA constitutes an excuse for making false promises to people who already bought a game.
At first I was like, it’s fine. Then I realised we were comparing the flowing water. I didn’t even notice that the second image is of flowing water too…
But don’t forget you have to buy a new graphics card with Bull-vertex-shit-whatever-shading technology support to play it and you’ll pay 2k€ for it! Plus the overpriced 14x extra DLC to just get the main character in the game and the “Save” option in the menu or the game playable. Oh and play it quick, it’s an electronic license somewhere in a cloud so we might discontinue the service when we feel like it.
I get what he’s saying but I didn’t post this to shit on the game (because I actually enjoyed it). This is a fun meme community and some die-hard fans are taking this waaay too seriously.
He’s also saying “Starfield can’t have the same amount of microdetail everywhere” because of it’s scope and that is certainly true…but water looks really bad throughout the whole game. I wouldn’t call that “micro” ;) Bethesda clearly didn’t put enough resources into this or maybe they had problems implementing better water into the game engine.
I think the problem is that you’ve made a very compelling argument. It’s not a meme. I have zero experience with either if these games and I’m convinced Starfield won’t be interesting to play for years.
This is the most disingenuous comparison I’ve ever seen lol. You basically took a picture of a babbling Brook at noon and a waterfall at night and are somehow confused why they don’t look the same.
First of all, your still shot is purposefully omitting the movement of the waterfall, the fact that it actually behaves and moves like a spray of liquid and gas particles, you know, like an actual waterfall, rather than just a moving block with a shader texture applied to it.
You also took this picture at dusk, when the plaza is draped in shadow and there is no sunlight directly bouncing off. If you’d even been to a waterfall this tall in such conditions in real life, you’d know they actually look more like this - like a non-descript spray of gas - than the Elex screenshot.
If you were to take a picture of the water in the day time, you know, when there is sunlight to bounce off the water particles, it would look absolutely beautiful. Which is also why nobody goes to waterfalls at night expecting a goddamn vista.
This game isn’t perfect but one thing it is, is absolutely beautiful (with the exception of some well documented and unimportant NPCs). And calling Elex a better looking game than Starfield is the dumbest take I’ve heard yet.
The shot wasn’t done at night, it was made during the day. You can clearly see sunlight in the image that shines onto the structure on the left.
First of all, your still shot is purposefully omitting the movement of the waterfall
That’s called a screenshot. How am I supposed to capture the movement of a texture in a still image? It also doesn’t make a whole lot of difference. The waterfall still looks like sewage even when it moves. Contrary to your claims, a real waterfall does not look like this, even at night or in the shadows. Why would the water be dark gray? It builds up foam when it falls down, so it’s white. There are numerous pictures out there on the web of waterfalls in shadows and they all look white. Just an example.
Your whole post reads like you somehow need to defend this game at all cost. I had a lot of fun with Starfield, but the technical issues are glaringly obvious. And there is no shame in admitting that. Especially, since this is just meant to be a meme for shits and giggles. ;)
This game isn’t perfect but one thing it is, is absolutely beautiful
I’m sorry, but that is not true at all. There are beautiful areas, like the Neon planet, for example. But there are also a lot of barren planets with barely any materials or assets on them and these look really, really bad.
Neon is probably what you had in mind. But you cannot say that the game is “absolutely beautiful” with these extreme jumps in visual quality. And this meme is an example for an area on the main hub world that looks bad, so even those aren’t always well-made either.
I said it was made at dusk, at a point where the sunlight is clearly not hitting the waterfall. Don’t even try to engage if you’re going to purposefully ignore context to try to “win”.
I notice you also ignored the fact that these pictures are taken in completely different lighting conditions. Probably because you know its disingenuous.
Yeah man, that’s called a screenshot. How am I supposed to capture the movement of a texture in a still image?
There are things called GIFs. Not sure if you’ve heard of them.
Also maybe don’t pass off a screenshot as a true representation of a game’s graphical fedelity if you know that a still image is omitting important elements of said fidelity.
Your whole post reads like you somehow need to defend this game at all cost.
Oh here we go, your brain is starting to shove me into the “paid shill” camp because I disagree with you. Fun fun.
I have no problem with fair criticism. In no way is this a perfect game and it’s not for everyone and there’s plenty Beth needs to improve. But when I see shit like this, you’re damn right I’m going to call it out for what it is.
Let’s throw this back on you. This defensive response seems to imply that you absolutely need to shit on a game other people like with out of context and unfair comparisons without any reprisal at all - for shits and giggles.
Well fuck you, bro. Tearing down something for laughs is garden variety toxicity. And if you can’t take the criticism, then don’t start it in the first place.
EDIT
You apparently edited your post with a picture of a barren moon as evidence that the game is ugly.
Yeah…it’s a barren moon with no life, one biome, and presumably 2 resources, at night, what the fuck do you expect? Light and shadow are both important elements of beautiful landacapes. The absences of light and shadow makes things look dull and featureless, both in real life and in video games. Notice your comparison Elex screenshot has a lot of light in it.
That said, I have gorgeous pictures on barren moons of say, the milky way unrestrained by an atmosphere, or Jupiter rising over the horizon of Io, or a sunrise catching the rings of a nearby planet.
And no, I’m not talking about Neon. Try going to a planet with a variety of biomes other than “craters” that actually has life on it.
You basically took a picture of a babbling Brook at noon and a waterfall at night
I didn’t specifically took the screenshots at a point in time where the ingame graphics look the worst. I just went on a mission with my companion Sarah just like usual and took this screenshot in the process. Because when I looked at the scene I thought: “Goddammit, that is just the worst graphics I’ve seen in a long time, I have to take a picture here” :D
Oh here we go, your brain is starting to shove me into the “paid shill” camp because I disagree with you.
I paid a hundred bucks for the Premium edition of the game and as I stated in numerous comments, I actually enjoyed playing the side content, I just didn’t like the main missions and the skill grind. How can I shove you into a camp that I’m a member of, myself?
I have no problem with fair criticism.
You clearly do, because you’re snapping right now. I don’t even know why you take this meme so seriously.
Well fuck you, bro.
That was uncalled for. I made the effort to prove my point, I even fired up the game again although I’m already finished with it and took screenshots for people that don’t own the game to see what I mean. And now you’re just insulting me. I think it’s time for me to back out of this discussion, because I’m not the one that’s making it toxic.
You also took this picture at dusk, when the plaza is draped in shadow and there is no sunlight directly bouncing off. If you’d even been to a waterfall this tall in such conditions in real life, you’d know they actually look more like this
…Which you’re conveniently ignoring because you’d rather argue on semantics and ignore relevant context rather than address the content of my response.
I didn’t specifically took the screenshots at a point in time where the ingame graphics look the worst. I just went on a mission with my companion Sarah just like usual and took this screenshot in the process. Because when I looked at the scene I thought: “Goddammit, that is just the worst graphics I’ve seen in a long time, I have to take a picture here” :D
Wrong. You saw this highly specific situation, thought it looked ugly, took a screenshot, then fired up Elex to find a shot that looks better - with different context and lighting conditions - and then crafted a single image to compare these very different shots of very different games with the explicit purpose of shifting on a game because you have a beef with it.
…for laughs?
I paid a hundred bucks for the Premium edition of the game and as I stated in numerous comments, I actually enjoyed playing the side content, I just didn’t like the main missions and the skill grind.
Okay, good for you? All this explains is why you have a beef with the game. But from my point of you, if you got enjoyment out of it, great.
You clearly do, because you’re snapping right now. I don’t even know why you take this meme so seriously.
Uh huh. Here’s the context of this thread:
Nobody:
You: Starfield is so ugly that even Elex looks better. Look at this highly specific comparison.
Me: No it’s not and here’s why your comparison is wrong.
You: Rawr you can’t handle criticism! Why won’t you let me meme?
Who’s snapping at who? I provided you reasons for why your comparison is wrong - which you have not addressed. You didn’t have to respond to me. But you did. And here we are.
I made the effort to prove my point, I even fired up the game again although I’m already finished with it and took screenshots for people that don’t own the game to see what I mean.
No you didn’t. You fired up the game and found another highly specific example - an unpopulated spot of a barren moon with 2 resources at night, because you refuse to address my reasons becausr the only meat for your arguement is to create more disingenuous comparisons.
God forbid someone comes to a meme community for laughs. 😆
People can make jokes about games they actually like, you know. Maybe you should get out, take a breath of fresh air, calm down in the process and accept the fact that you’re on [email protected] and this whole discussion is totally pointless.
Or just write another essay the length of Macbeth because someone posted a gray waterfall on the internet. It’s totally healthy and not ridiculous at all…you could also just drop another F-bomb to prove your point, that was really great discussion culture.
God forbid someone comes to a meme community for laughs. 😆
Its more sad than anything that you thought your jpeg was funny.
drop another F-bomb
Cry about it a little more buddy. I’m loving it.
People can make jokes about games they actually like, you know. Maybe you should get out, take a breath of fresh air, calm down in the process and accept the fact that you’re on [email protected] and this whole discussion is totally pointless.
Lol k buddy. I’m responding in between gardening breaks - but sure - whatever helps you justify disengaging.
Lol I love that I’ve offended you so much that you took time out of your day to find two of my comments and come up with comment-specific insults. Give me more of your tears. They’re so delicious.
I just read through the thread lmao, it’s easy to come up with “comment-specific insults” when my eyes turn the squiggles on the screen into words in my head. Ain’t no tears here friend, just laughing at your essay fails
Par for the course for a lot of starfield content. OP doesn’t have a point to make even if it wasn’t such a corrupt attempt to say something. It’s just more contrived outrage.
Starfield plays like shit, looks like shit (by today’s standards) and the quests are shit. Neon is a lazy world that only ends up becoming one giant hallway with a few shops. Everywhere else feels lifeless and boring. Starfield was a flop, and while Elex isn’t the best game out there, the fact that it can in fact in some situations stand toe to toe with Starfield on graphical fidelity is just an absolute disgrace. I was on a desert planet in Starfrield in the main story (can’t remember the name) at night, on a balcony running on GeForce Now with an RTX 2080 and getting less than 24FPS, that’s absolutely pathetic, game is just bad.
LOL you think I’m a PCMR neckbeard? My PC is old, it’s running a Vega56, not even in the last two generations of graphics cards, I’m fine with 30FPS when it makes sense but I’m talking sub-25FPS with shit frame times that make it feel like a damn slideshow. I prefer consoles, FFS I run a steam deck docked to my TV more than I use my gaming PC. Why do you think I use GeForce Now? So I can play games on high settings and not deal with settings that make my games look like they’re running on an N64. You keep calling me a member of PCMR if you want but I’m not ever here riding Bethesda dick for a shitty game.
My PC is old, it’s running a Vega56, not even in the last two generations of graphics cards
I’m fine with 30FPS when it makes sense but I’m talking sub-25FPS with shit frame times
FFS I run a steam deck docked to my TV more than I use my gaming PC
Why do you think I use GeForce Now? So I can play games on high settings and not deal with settings that make my games look like they’re running on an N64
Yes.
riding Bethesda dick for a shitty game.
Dude, I wish. That dick is big and luscious. But I’m good for a while after this comment. So delicious.
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