uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair new social housing looks like this:

https://id.cdnstroy.ru/dc6eiwpa6fb3j_poh5uc_h-720_w-1200.jpeghttps://img4.teletype.in/files/f1/86/f186d4d8-4f00-4303-a026-ca53f74801e4.jpeg

Not enough trees and first batch was mostly single-room(as in one bedroom, one kitchen, one toilet and one bathroom in appartment), but better than humant colony.

UnverifiedAPK,

The murals are a nice touch, let’s see how the white paint looks in 50 years though.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

As in 50 years or 50 years without any maintanance and in complete neglect.

Omega_Haxors,

More like “This doesn’t exist, we’re going to deal with it just one minute” 🤗

Siegfried,

I really like russian appartement complexs, there is always green surrounding the buildings…I hate russia though

trashgirlfriend,

I’m from eastern Europe and those green spaces are usually not very well managed. And they also end up looking kinda sad when you live there.

Rusty playgrounds, plants not managed and growing all over the place in a not very aesthetically pleasing way, completely destroyed or very quickly patched up walkways.

I do think it’s still better than the American suburbs, but it could be so so much better if cities invested more into making these areas enjoyable to be in.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I do think it’s still better than the American suburbs, but it could be so so much better if cities invested more into making these areas enjoyable to be in.

Agreed. If anything is mismanaged it will be shitty, if something was mismanaged for 30 years and did not fall on itself, then it was built good.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I hate russia though

You probably hate Putin instead.

cyborganism,

I understand the point. But France has done this and ended up with giant ghettos filled with si much crime that no emergency services whatsoever go there anymore.

In the US, they built giant housing projects like this where poverty was concentrated and the same thing happened. Crime installed itself in those projects and these neighbourhoods became dangerous ghettos.

Picture 1 is not the solution you think you want.

The condo building where I live is not so big. And it was built with 25% dedicated to social housing where poor families and underpaid workers can live comfortably in an apartment unit as big as my condo unit, which I paid nearly $400k CAD, for the price of about $650 CAD per month. This allows them to integrate with everyone else and live with everyone else and near where all the jobs are.

IMALlama,

This is absolutely correct. Concentrating poverty is something that happens in most counties, but is very detrimental to society at large. Wikipedia has a decent article to get a toe in the water: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_poverty

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

they built giant housing projects like this where poverty was concentrated

Maybe this is because 30-story humant colony in the middle of nowhere without public transit will always be ghetto no matter who lives there.

Novman,

North Korea have more births than South Korea, having half of population. Capitalism is a demographic failure.

LufyCZ,

Yeah because people have few activities they can do for leisure compared to “the west”, so sex it is.

Not having money/access to contraceptives probably doesn’t help either

Novman,

So having activities for leisure and money is a problem? Cause demography is the capitalistic problem. It consumes a population to produce leisures and money?

i_stole_ur_taco,

They also have an infant mortality rate of 17 per 1000 vs 2.5 per 1000 in South Korea. I don’t think counting births is super useful here.

Novman,

Infant mortality doesn’t change the numbers a lot. North Korea have a much better demography than South Korea. Modern capitalism destroy the populations the embrace it.

MrSlicer,

What are you talking about dude? Those are homes with doors, locks, heat, and a bed. Compared to a tent?

Blackmist,

The presence of picture 1 in no way prevents the presence of picture 2.

dangblingus,

It does if there’s enough of them?

Ulv,

No the people who own pictire one can and have shown they are willing too let them sit and rot rather than lower rent

deur,

Let me know where I can find the homeless people tent encampments in the netherlands.

winterayars,

I don’t think the suggestion in picture one is for profit apartments owned by landlords.

tpihkal,

I’m having trouble telling the difference between the two.

winterayars,

Public/social housing (presumably what’s being proposed here) sure as hell would beat tent cities. Who the hell wants to stay in a tent rather than an actual home? Housing co-ops work if you’ve already got some amount of money, too.

nekothegamer,
@nekothegamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

there’s no worse/better they’re both worse

cynetri, (edited )
@cynetri@midwest.social avatar

never fails to amaze me how “progressive” types do a complete 180 as soon as someone mentions solving the homeless problem by giving them homes

edit: i rest my case

Blackmist,

I don’t think “progressives” have any issue with housing the homeless. The issue is where.

Go to a conservative (or indeed any) neighbourhood and tell them you’ll be building 200 apartments nearby to house rough sleepers, see how that goes down.

Most homeless are invisible to us anyway. They hold down jobs, they have gym memberships, they just sleep in their car, or on a mate’s sofa every so often. Nobody would have a problem with them moving in nearby.

It’s the aggressive beggars, addicts, and shitting in shop doorways (and these three are the same person) that nobody wants anywhere near them. These are who most people think of when they hear the word “homeless”. Most of them need more treatment than just a roof. We don’t have enough of that either.

I’ve no issue with my taxes helping all these people. I’m happy to pay tax to reduce the chances of me personally being robbed by somebody in desperate poverty.

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I think fears about the homeless robbing you are massively overblown. I’ve been panhandled hundreds of times, and the worst response I’ve ever gotten is a dirty look.

I also think that the people shitting on public, etc. are more likely to be mentally ill than addicted (although they could be both). The reason is that Drugs Are Really Expensive. Also, I’m not aware of any addiction that causes you to shit in public, but it’s easy to find mental illnesses that would.

Blackmist,

What causes the homeless to shit in public is that we barely have any public toilets. And the ones we do have are locked overnight, because we’re terrified that gays will have sex in them.

xX_fnord_Xx,

They also don’t want junkies to shoot up in them and nod off/OD and die on the premises.

*Edit to say I don’t agree with limited public toilets. Just posting another reason why they don’t exist in some places.

pomodoro_longbreak,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

I have a house and a job and I’ve almost shit in public. I can totally see how it could happen if you didn’t have access to one or either of those two (because they have bathrooms).

Krauerking,

The left leaning rich progressives are all hypocrites when it comes to investing, money, housing, tech, jobs, waste, emissions, and more.

Who knew the people who have the most to gain from capitalism would be so willing to also suck the dick of it for their own personal gain. Imagine that.

DarthBueller,

Creating the projects by concentrating poverty into towers of terror is no better than having skid rows.

Pointtwogo,
@Pointtwogo@lemmy.ml avatar

you cant give a home to everybody smartass

letsgocrazy,

What a stupid snivelling American sophomoric bullshit opinion.

The bottom problem is drug addiction, not capitalism.

The top photo isn’t about what it’s like to fucking look at , it’s about what it’s like to live in.

And I can tell you that there is plenty of crime there.

Asymptote,

Sir, this is Lemmy.ml

I don’t know what else you were expecting

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

What a stupid sniveling fascist freshman bullshit opinion

Material Conditions lead them to that drug abuse

Capitalism made those material conditions literally unavoidable

Crime is easier to deal with when you live inside of four walls with a roof and a locking door as opposed to a motherfucking tent.

I know you dont give a fuck, but your arguments are DUMBBB. Are you being purposely disingenuous or are you just stupid?

letsgocrazy,

Material Conditions lead them to that drug abuse

This is how I know you have exactly zero life experience, and clearly never given the topic more than a moments thought.

You call me dumb - but are you seriously saying that the only reason people become substance abusers is because of poverty?

Think about that for just thirty seconds.

drmoose,

Honestly I’d take homeless any time of the year over the culture that is fostered in those Russian type block houses. It’s far worse.

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Have you ever lived in one? I do, it’s actually really nice people. In mine, there’s basically 2 big groups: families with young children and the elderly.

2ez,

Right, well even though San Diego might have state park beach front property, we shouldn’t have a tent city filling it up. This quickly becomes unhygienic, and crime rises, among other issues.

dangblingus,

Yes, you should have a tent city filling up. San Diego is just like every other city in North America. We’re seeing the endgame of late stage capitalism. Rampant homelessness, at the risk of being redundant, is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. There is only so much money in circulation and most working class people have none of it.

paddytokey,

Capitalism has you thinking that these are our only options

Chadus_Maximus,

The other options are, sadly, hours away.

dangblingus,

For big cities, density is key.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Moscow, built mostly 9-story housing, not more than 16-story in the end of USSR. Density is not height.

Decompose,

Stupidity at its purest form: vote for socialism and leftism, and then when it destroys your city, call it capitalism. You guys come stragiht out of a comic book.

It’s 100% a coincidence that more leftist cities have bigger homelessness problems. You deserve this. You voted for this. Enjoy!

And hey, I don’t give two shits. I’m laughing at you.

Demuniac,

Thats funny because I live in a country that is significantly more left leaning than the US and yet our poverty and homelessness is significantly lower than yours.

Oh and it would help if you stop blaming each other for the problems in your country and start looking at the ones actually making the decisions to be responsible for them as well.

Decompose, (edited )

Your country is not perfect and has its problems. I went to many European countries and saw the beggers everywhere. So spare me the bullshit. Besides, it’s a fact that the US leftist states have bigger homelessness problems.

MJRul3s,

The tents might actually have a better heat isolation xD

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