AVincentInSpace,

oh, don’t mind me, i’m just over here using my graphics tablet that linux came with drivers for and which worked out of the box (including pressure sensing) as soon as i plugged it in, and printing on my printer which CUPS auto-detected and went from new laptop to printing in 30 seconds, and which i have never had any issues with

SimplyTadpole,
@SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I had Windows literally delete my graphics drivers because it decided to download “new” ones (read: the default fallback driver) and made me unable to play anything. And when I went through the trouble of figuring out how to get AMD’s software center to redownload it, Windows did it again.

On an unrelated note, that happened on my second-to-last day of using Windows.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I don’t remember the last time I had to manually install a driver on Linux.

But I do remember the last time I had to manually install a driver on Windows. I had to revert the change in safe mode, because it wouldn’t boot after the install. To be fair to Windows, it was an old PS/2 to USB adaptor. To be fair to the adaptor, it was plug-and-play on OpenSuse, Mint, and Fedora.

Edit: it was Win10 21H1, I believe.

thisbenzingring,

open terminal ↑ maybe a couple times… password enter

dingleberry,

Glass houses and all that.

DLSchichtl,

Lot of confirmation bias on both sides in this thread.

Linux, you need to streamline that shit

Windows, you need to stop being windows.

qjkxbmwvz,

streamline that shit

Or mainline that shit — for me, “true” Linux support means drivers are in the mainline kernel, and will Just Work. Not sure I’ve ever had problems with drivers for an RS232 dongle on Linux, but I definitely have under Windows.

ScrambleVerdict,

My arch install: sudo pacman -Syu Windows: search for the driver, install it, get 3 pieces of additional bloatware. Device works now but is buggy.

I guess I’m cursed though because both my windows and arch are always acting up…

riodoro1,

Next next finish

Wait, why the fuck are there three new icons on my desktop? What is this bullshit in the tray?

What the fuck is nvidiaupdatechecker.exe and why is is consuming 10% of my cpu?

kaffeeringe,

Why do I have to create an account an log in to install a driver?

float,

Aaaand blue screen.

Tavarin,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

Literally none of that happens to me on Windows.

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar
SuicideEnthusiast,

MacOS: It just works

Linux: It just works*

Windows: Download the drivers online and hope it works and isn’t a buggy mess

captain_oni,

I guess, all depends on what type of driver you’re installing; but I had to install win10 on my brother’s PC last week, these are the steps I had to take to install AMD’s drivers (because the ones included with windows suck):

  1. Open Edge.
  2. Download Opera (his browser of choice) and install it.
  3. Google “AMD Drivers”, go to the website
  4. Lookup the exact model of the processor: “Ryzen 3 3200G”.
  5. Try to guess what fucking .exe file to download, since their descriptions are vague.
  6. Double click the .exe.
  7. next, deselect bloatware, next, install.
  8. Error on installation
  9. Lookup error code.
  10. Turns out Windows was downloading (not installing) an update at the same time, without telling me.
  11. Wait 15 minutes for windows to finish doing whatever it wants to do, without user consent.
  12. Reboot machine.
  13. Try again. Next, next, deselect bloatware, next, install
  14. Reboot machine again.
  15. (OPTIONAL) Curse Bill Gates, Steve Balmer and Satya Nadella for making me waste my time.
Late2TheParty,
@Late2TheParty@lemmy.world avatar

I. Fucking. LOATHE Windows updates and the shenanigans they cause. Flames of hate!

Nefyedardu,

I don't know why it's become a stigma that installing things on Linux is hard when Windows requires you to Google sketchy .exes and .msis because their app store is so trash. For 99% of packages on Linux you can just open the software manager and click install.

AnonTwo,

Because Windows doesn't require you to google sketchy .exes and .msis....

Unless you just consider them inherently sketchy, but can't really do anything about that. Hell the backlash for the store was mainly because people wanted to keep using .exes's.

Johanno,

Because their app store sucks!

Install drivers per app store? Negative.

Install vlc per app store? Get a half assed “mobile” Version that lacks most Features.

But candy crush is already installed. Great!

captain_oni,

Remember that you can’t mod the games you get through the windows store either. (unless they changed that recently?)

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

They did not. In fact, Windows ships in S mode now, which means you can’t install ANYTHING outside of the appstore. Not even Office downloaded directly from Office(dot)com. You can turn S mode off, for now, but you need to (and I’m not shittin you) install an app from the appstore that disables S mode. But not without confirming that you’re serious several times, and read through fear mongering with a “you get viruses if you install outside the appstore” scare tactic.

Edit: killed the auto-URL

BURN,

I’m gonna get hate, but I much prefer the independent distribution of exe files over package managers. I’ve still yet to have a good experience with a package manager. Almost all end up with outdated versions of software. My discord broke for a full day because the central arch repo hadn’t updated yet.

railsdev,

This is actually true and it’s a big reason I prefer FreeBSD for a lot of things (if I don’t need containerization).

Distros always ship totally old software and slam the filesystem with trash everywhere.

FreeBSD on the other hand lets you easily compile the exact features you want and usually pretty recent versions. I had lots of luck while doing crazy stuff with nginx.

stepanzak,

If you look up Discord on the Arch wiki, you will find instructions to prevent this. In other words, RTFM! (/s, I also had to be directed there by some redditor while ago)

BURN,

I find that if I have to RTFM for my daily computer I’m always going to hate using it. I don’t like having to tinker with my operating system. It’s not fun, it just makes me hate Linux. There’s a reason I switched back to windows after a week. Nothing works and I’m not willing to waste hours of my time trying to fix it.

stepanzak,

Maybe Arch shouldn’t have been your distribution of choice then.

BURN,

It was the only one I could get to work with my hardware. Tried Ubuntu, mint and Pop, and none of then worked. Arch was the only one that would output to 3 displays.

stepanzak,

Were it some brand new monitors? The support may be better by now.

BURN,

4ish years old at that point in time

railsdev,

The last time installed printer drivers on Windows it was like 5 GB.

Are they reimplementing the entire OS or what? Does Windows just not have some standard way of communicating with printers?

I know a lot times they want to bundle their trash software along with the drivers but even then… 5 GB?

SpikesOtherDog,

I’ll bite. What printer drivers are 5G? HP universal driver is 22MB.

SpaghettiYeti,

I have a w10 PC and an Nvidia card. You install NVidia GeForce Experience and click “download”, then “install”.

For AMD, you would install AMD Catalyst and do the same.

No bloatware for either… don’t do things the hard way!

iloverocks,

You must log in into geforce to use it=spyware

Give me my driver and nothing more

SpaghettiYeti,

Make a fake email?

BURN,

You can download just the driver directly from Nvidia and not install GeForce experience

ScrambleVerdict,

Please at least use Nvcleaninstall

SpaghettiYeti,

I usually clean install those Nvidia drivers

ScrambleVerdict,

Not the same thing lol

captain_oni,

well, GeForce Experience IS bloatware IMO, so… I’m screwed that way, I guess.

BURN,

Don’t even need GeForceExperience. You can download the driver installation exe directly from Nvidia without installing the bloatware.

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

I rarely have to install a driver on either one. They both come with or auto install.

bioemerl,

No, that's about how it is on Linux.

Some drivers just work. Others? Absolute pain in the ass. If it doesn't work on first boot you're probably screwed.

Source: my laptops audio still doesn't work with Linux.

Nefyedardu,

None of those commands install drivers on linux tho. What audio driver couldn't you install?

AnonTwo,

It looks like the OP was trying to shorthand (not show entirely)
->Just updating Ubtuntu to see if it fixes the issue
->cloning a github repo and then trying to build a driver themselves
->Checking with modprobe to see if it worked (I don't remember the command clearly, I've only actually done this once like 2 years ago)

The syntax error at the end is probably more for dramatic effect and would've occurred when trying to make the repo. But at the bare minimum using Apt to update->upgrade your distro would update a driver if it was already installed and just outdated.

dr_jekell,
@dr_jekell@lemmy.world avatar

That’s because laptop (and some desktop motherboard) manufacturers love to cut costs wherever they can so they end up using some weird non standard sound card from Billy Bob’s discount computer parts because they know they can require the use of drivers to band aid over the shitty hardware with a software fix.

Then when using Linux it tends to either not work or have shit sound until some kind soul adds in a config file for the devices sound card.

SrTobi,

Praise all the kind souls! Thank you

const_void,

What audio chip do you have?

bioemerl,

Intel something or other. I had it working at one point but it broke again shortly after, some update unset some settings or something.

slazer2au,

Windows is more like

Run exe

Next

No don’t install chrome

No don’t install antivirus

No don’t install toolbar

Yes I read the agreement

Install

raubarno,
slazer2au,

iTunes? I prefer the Amazon Lumberyard terms

image

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I don’t see the problem. I find this an extremely fair EULA term.

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

…. Well, windows might have an ulterior motive…. But it’d right about not installing chrome. Firefox, my friend.

Granted windows is also line “no don’t install Firefox!”

Also windows driver installs babe a 50/50 chance of still not working.

AnonTwo,

What driver does that?

Software I've definitely seen it, but drivers?

JackRiddle,

Windows: “driver for graphics card not found. Go fuck yourself.”

SayJess,

Fuck it, here’s an ad.

raubarno,

Actually, I got an error “Cannot install Windows, missing (graphics) drivers”. Debian Live did boot without any problem, though.

Primarily0617,

yeah graphics driver support on windows is notoriously far worse than on the tertiary afterthought that is linux

const_void,

u mad?

Primarily0617,

no, but i think anybody that spends their time seething about what pcmasterrace is up to very clearly is

AnonTwo,

What card?? I've literally never seen this in 20-30 years.

Most cards are made with Windows in mind first and foremost.

Tavarin,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

Never happens. I’ve never had a video card fail to work with Windows right away.

JackRiddle,

I believe I am mistaken, yes. I had a cpu fail, and never got it to work, no matter what I did.

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