[Rant] I swear to fucking god. Windows is harder to use than Linux. Have any of you ever USED Windows lately? Holy fuck.

I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

Magister,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been using both daily, for 25+ years. Windows is not hard to use, but harder to configure now, having multiple paths/ways to configure the same thing like settings, old control panel, command line, regedit, group policy, is sometimes shitty. Everything else works fine in win10 or 11.

RichardButt89,

This is absolute nonsense. Getting windows up and running is stupid easy.

Aphroditusss,

This thread has to be a bait

Stuka,

Sounds like the problem was between the keyboard and chair.

captsneeze,

Exactly. Layer 8 problem.

Puffymumpkins,

Ooh, gonna add that to my phrasebook

What’s a Layer 8

captsneeze,

You’ll sometimes hear IT people use “Layer 8 problem” which is a reference to the OSI networking model. The model has 7 layers. It starts at layer-1, the physical layer (the literal wires that the signals flow through), and ends with layer-7, the application later (things like http, ftp, etc.).

“Layer-8” isn’t technically part of the OSI model, but unofficially it refers to the human layer, or the user. When IT people are troubleshooting an issue, trying to identify where in the model the issue is happening, “layer-8” is a tongue-in-cheek way of saying “there isn’t an actual problem… the person is the problem”.

Another good one is the “ID10T” error (read as “I-D-ten-T”), which looks a lot like “IDIOT” when written down. It means the same thing.

zygo_histo_morpheus,

I’d say that stuff like this happens less often on windows, but it’s also worse when it does because you have fewer resources to fix problems when you do run into them

ThePac,

How the fuck does anybody have trouble running Windows these days?

mwguy,

Some OEM’s really fuck up Windows, leaving it in a practically unusable state almost out of the box with the amount of shitware that’s on there.

Additionally, for Windows, some hardware vendors do a poor job of ensuring working drivers get installed by default. Sometimes the wrong, but similar driver gets installed by Windows on a fresh install and it can really bork things up. The same can happen on Linux, but it’s easier to ignore a faulty driver at boot time with Grub and make sure the right one gets loaded. And truthfully I haven’t had to do that since like 2005.

MrSilkworm,
@MrSilkworm@lemmy.world avatar

AtlasOS is your solution

mwguy,

Well, no. A fresh Linux install is my solution.

RichardButt89,

OP said this was a home build. Should be dead simple with a clean install.

mwguy,

Should be, but in the past I’ve seen Windows update, misidentify hardware and try to install the incorrect driver for it (last time I saw it was with a graphics card too). That could certainly cause some issues.

terry_tibbs,

Windows 10 LTSC is the way to go if you absolutely have to use Windows, I’d love to use Linux on my gaming rig but Assetto Corsa + my simracing hardware doesn’t play nice at all.

Pringles,

I’m upvoting this because it’s hilarious, but on a serious note, installing windows is so easy my granny could do it.

The only thing, and I assume that’s where you struggled, is sometimes the formatting of the hd doesn’t want to work. In that case, a quick google will help you out, but also just format it quickly with diskpart and continue the installation.

zipzoopaboop,

It’s weird seeing niche comment areas with sensible real experience comments

Redex68,

This person is either cursed or idk what they were trying to do. Installing Windows literally couldn’t be easier, you don’t even need to think about partitions, you can just let it create them itself.

I reinstall Windows every cca. 6 months to clear all the bloat i pick up, it’s really not that hard.

szczuroarturo,

I honestly found instaling Linux to be way easier than Windows, also suprisingly nvidia graphic card was easier to set up on Linux rather than Windows, beacuse pop os(And other sensible distros) Just bundle them with the os so it worked out of the box .

Caitlynn,
@Caitlynn@feddit.de avatar

Couldn’t agree more

gortbrown,

Yeah, I’ve had issues with it too! I installed the latest Windows 10 on my mom’s laptop after replacing the hard drive with an ssd, and it took me way longer than it should have to do something as simple as move files from the old hard drive to the new one! And a week later, she calls me with issues related to the auto backup OneDrive thing, and I had to troubleshoot that from 2.5 hours away. If she didn’t need Photoshop and Lightroom, I would have installed some sort of Windows-similar Linux distro for her. I also have had so many issues with Windows 11 for school that I just stopped using it on bare metal and just have a VM for the one program I need for my CS classes.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Lol I threw in the towel after round 2 of the insider hub with windows 11 beta

Thanks for ignoring literally everyone’s demands and removing the core features that made windows usable Microsoft

Been happy on Fedora for 2 years. Never going back.

Hasn’t even been stable since windows 7 tbh

visiblink,
@visiblink@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You seriously haven’t had to provide tech support to relatives with MacOS. Windows is brilliant in comparison.

andrr_464,

for me MacOS is the easiest os ever, installing apps is incredibly easy, solving some error too, updating etc. on windows I have had update problems, apps not running, to make it good enough you have to install more than 10 other programs, it is just not for me I guess

yum13241,

Yeah I hate macOS and I hate doing tech support over the phone. macOS never gives descriptive errors, I end up throwing in the towel much earlier compared to other OSes if I give up at all.

yum13241,

Yep. Crappy errors that tell you nothing, and of course they want it dome over the phone.

KuroJ,

I have Linux on my laptop but I have a Windows gaming PC and I’m honestly trying to figure out how could you not get steam to start? Never had an issue with that before…

I_like_cats,

Windows works fine most of the time. The problem is, when you do have a problem, you are screwed. Either reinstall or live with it. The chance of getting it fixed is like 20%

MaDeX,

Well I just installed endeavour os, used steam proton and all my windows games worked, if not better than windows…

I think it’s finally there!

flashgnash,

I discovered last night that I could run overwatch at smooth and solid ~144fps on max settings, I’m pretty sure I couldn’t do that on Windows, blew my mind a little

aGeN,

I wiped windows and installed Linux back in 2004 and never looked back.
Now im only forced to use windows in work, constantly asking my work mates how to do this n that on it. I sure they think im sine sort computer illiterate numpty with no clue.

Diplomjodler,

My Windows machine at work is so locked down today I can’t do anything anyway. I have to open a ticket every time I want to install something. Just as well. I have zero interest in mucking about with Windows anyway.

mtchristo,

It is not harder, windows is just playing find the config toggles with its users. it’s like easter all year long.

Diplomjodler,

That shit absolutely drives me bonkers. And all the non-resizable dialog boxes make me want to scream every fucking time.

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