Jackcooper,

Is this a we live in a society title

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Next step, making the Peach - Daisy - Rosalina love triangle a happy marriage

mightyfoolish,

It’s incredible to see Nintendo change their stance on anything. One of the most conservative companies I can think of when it comes to why topic.

richyawyingtmv,

Nah, they’ve changed since the old days. Look at how much is released completely uncensored on the Switch compared to PlayStation - Sony’s rules are significantly stricter.

When it comes to emulation and game preservation though…ha, no - Nintendo have stayed just as bad and clueless as ever

Trolled,

time to boycott!

BilboBargains,

So long, gay Bowser

noob,

L

Aikawa,

Finally! No longer will Mario need to introduce Luigi as his “brother”!

PostmodernPythia,

Gayly.

raltoid,

This isn’t Nintendo “defying” anything, they’re just going with the times.


Clarification: There is no law specifically banning gay marriage in Japan(it’s just not included yet), courts support giving gay people constitutional protection, they legally reckognize gay marriage if married in another country, around 70% of people openly support it, etc.

There are also dozens of large cities and wards that have a “civil union” style system that helps with the strict apartment renting system in Japan and similar things like having a right to see your loved one in a hospital, some add provisons so gay couple can adopt as well.

ImFresh3x,

I mean, legality aside, lots of companies have suffered financially for doing anything perceived as supporting anything LGBTQ lately. Target, Starbucks, Bud, etc. They’re definitely defying the urge to stay silent and neutral when it seems best to for business.

magic_lobster_party,

I not sure if there’s that cause and effect. It’s probably more something in the lines of:

“How can we turn around this failing business? I know! Let’s openly support LGBTQ! That will make people return to buy our product. Oh no! People didn’t care.”

ImFresh3x,

Those businesses weren’t failing. The decline in sales is perfectly timed with right wing outrage. 30-40% of this country is now triggered by rainbows.

Steeve,

Last quarter earnings:

SBUX, 14.20% revenue growth Y/Y

TGT, 0.60% revenue growth Y/Y, still beat EPS expectations though

BUD, 7.39% revenue growth Y/Y

You’re wrong. Back up your claims with data next time, help stop the spread of misinformation. Do better, you aren’t on Reddit anymore.

ImFresh3x,

Sorry. Sales wasn’t the right term.

Their stocks have dropped by an average of 20% when others have done the reverse.

Corporations like to see their stocks go up not down. FYI.

Steeve,

Their stock prices dropped because they missed previous earnings. SBUX and BUD are up big since they beat. Share prices are closely correlated with earnings FYI.

Stop pulling nonsense out of your ass to elicit an emotional reaction.

ImFresh3x,

Stop being emotional

Ok, dude. You seem really unable to have a discussion at all. You’re the only one who seems upset on the attack and doing the keyboard warrior dance.

I don’t mind being corrected, or discussing the details. I’ve shown no emotion in this.

xthedeerlordx,

I don’t mind being corrected

Then act like it. You are wrong. Nothing else to discuss. Stop acting childish name calling people who correct you with actual data/facts.

ImFresh3x,

Calling people what? Are you sure you know words?

Steeve, (edited )

Be as emotional as you want, I don’t care, I told you to stop pulling nonsense out of your ass. This was never a conversation, I’m not interested in watching you try to move the goal posts until you stumble on something correct. Don’t spread misinformation in the first place.

ImFresh3x,

K

Do you have trouble with reading? You’re the only person getting upset

Steeve,

Am I? So far you’ve called two people emotional and illiterate and projected your anger onto people who are calling you out on the bullshit you’re spreading.

But am I also annoyed that people like you say whatever the fuck you want on the internet to drum up unwarranted outrage without any evidence to back it up forcing someone else to actually research it to prove your statement wrong only for your response to be stupid nonsensical forum sliding bullshit like this and by the time they’ve fact checked your fucking bullshit you’ve probably made a handful more straight up incorrect claims? Yeah, sure, who wouldn’t be.

ImFresh3x, (edited )

No. Someone called me emotional, and I quoted them. Then replied that they sounded like the only emotional person in the exchange.

No one is drumming up outrage. I’m not outraged at all. You’re lashing out, and how many times are you going to type out “fucking” and “bullshit” and act like I’m the one freaking out or being hostile.

My claims haven’t been disputed. Stocks suffered. You don’t attribute it to backlash. I kind of get the feeling that there’s some relationship. But I admit there’s no way of knowing. But regardless, I could see why some companies would rather just avoid the entire thing, but I’m happy Nintendo is taking a stance instead of being silent. My original post was only intended to give them some credit.

Y’all aren’t winning anyone over by fighting with people who are willing to have a simple discussion. Not sure why you think this website needs such aggression. It’s weird. Maybe Twitter would be better for yourselves.

Steeve,

Again, this is not a discussion, this is also not a debate, this is me telling you to quit spreading bullshit. I don’t have to try to “win people over”, you’ve “lost them” by spreading misinformation right off the bat, which, ironically, is pretty much Twitter’s whole thing right now, but I guess every accusation is an admission with you isn’t it?

ImFresh3x,

Stocks went down. Fact. Companies are inclined to avoid controversy. Fact.

Imo, Nintendo made the right decision.

Stop crying about my non controversial position being too much for you to allow on the message board.

Steeve,
ImFresh3x,

I said broadly sales went down for these companies. That was inaccurate. Bud light sales definitely did go way down. Imbev sales are doing fine. And I acknowledged quarterly sales for these companies were fine. I clarified that although my comment about sales across the board was mistake.

Nonetheless, stocks are still down, and companies tend to like to retain value for their shareholders. Now whether you don’t attribute the decline of their stocks while others are across the board have been rising is kind of a guess.

But I definitely can see why board members of these companies would be inclined to just have no take in the matter, and avoid the variable altogether. Whether it’s misguided or not, or just plain wrong. Yet I’d prefer they stand up for marginalized groups and civil rights. And that’s what Nintendo seems to be doing in this one particular instance. So I give them some credit.

Seems not worth fighting over for several days tbh. But I’m here for you.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Have they actually suffered tho, or is that just what the bigots who boycott them for having rainbows on their products are saying happened because they want to feel like they won?

Steeve,

They haven’t, every single one of them are up Y/Y on revenue as of their last earnings. This dude is just trying to drum up outrage.

Steeve, (edited )

I’d love for you to link some earnings with that statement because that’s absolutely bullshit lol

Edit: Fine, I’ll do it. Last quarter earnings:

SBUX, 14.20% revenue growth Y/Y

TGT, 0.60% revenue growth Y/Y, still beat EPS expectations

BUD, 7.39% revenue growth Y/Y

Do better.

ImFresh3x, (edited )

Look at their stock prices though… everything has been bullish. Theirs have been dropping.

Steeve,

They were all down because they missed previous earnings. SBUX and BUD are up big since last earnings, TGT is slightly up. American hillbillies do not determine share value.

sh.itjust.works/comment/1274248

DLSchichtl,

Stocks go up, stocks go down. Outrage has a short attention span. That being said, Bud Light was weathering the criticism just fine until they back-tracked and tried to reverse it to win back the idiots. Losing the LGBT+ customers hurt them far more, and it looks unlikely that they will retain their “Official Beer of Pride” title. Hatred just isn’t profitable.

beefcat,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus christ you fucking killed him man.

Also I had no idea the conservative backlash against these companies was so anemic. It really warms my heart to know that these bigoted fuckwits really are a loud minority.

Steeve,

It almost always is! There’s a lot of shit wrong in this world, but where American hillbillies choose to spend their money is absolutely not worth the media/social media attention we give it for some reason.

UlrikHD,
@UlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

I don’t think a Japanese company targeting the youth is concerned about what American conservatives think.

ImFresh3x,

Cool. I think it’s generally “easier, albeit lazy and wrong, for companies to choose be silent, and I give Nintendo some credit for not going with the “easy” option.

HeavenAndHell,
@HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world avatar

“Go woke, go broke” is just wishful thinking from crybaby far right-wingers. try harder.

randon31415,

More like “Go woke or go broke.”

ImFresh3x,

I didn’t say it wasn’t. Jfc you’re super hostile on the internet. Chill.

Hypersapien,

You have to look at their customer makeup. Budweiser losing money doesn’t surprise me at all but I’m kind of surprised at Starbucks. Although they probably have a lot of Karens going there, too

oatscoop,

Starbucks could just be a victim of the economic downturn: anyone looking to spend less is going to start with expensive coffee drinks.

Hyperi0n,

They did have an open transgender character.

oatscoop,

They also had Zelda crossdressing to get into that “women only” town in BotW.

raltoid, (edited )

In popular anime and Japanese games there are dozens of characters that are gender neutral, open cross dressers, transgender, etc. Some anime have characters that are specifically made to be gender neutral, as a part of the plot.

Individuals don’t care that much, it’s just that the culture in and of itself is a bit conservative. So long term/permanent changes take a long time to implement, specially when it comes to things like the constition and federal laws. To further illustrate: Some companies still use floppy disks…

As an example:

Felix Argyle - A male charcter in a fairly popular anime(In Japan and internationally), which dresses and acts feminine but is fully open about being male if you ask. It’s just that most people in the show don’t ask.

Eigengrau,
@Eigengrau@kbin.social avatar

Ironic four a game company whos NA division removes any lick of reference to gayness

Kagami,

Nintenbased.

NotAGuyInAHat,

How am I supposed to masturbate to the Mario Movie Ethically now!?!?!

BirdieNumNum,

Surprised Mario Kart hasn’t been labeled “woke” by conservatives yet over Rainbow Road!

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

It’s called a road, it’s called a rainbow road

It is a road that you go

Stovetop,

This news is a year old but still good stuff

JJROKCZ,

Good. Defy unjust laws brazenly whenever possible, otherwise change will never happen

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Especially dumb inept laws that don’t really help

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