I live in a neighboring community and oh my god the whining on the nextdoor app about “muh property values, won’t anybody think of the cars!!!” and making excuses about it hurting businesses that have only seen more business with the road closures was unreal.
Not to mention all the perfectly able people too lazy to walk a block from parking acting like it’s a virtue and the world should cater to cars because some people have mobility issues… issues that probably resulted in the first place from there being so few reasons to walk around here. Not to throw strays at the disabled but I doubt these people would ever support any alternative that would let those with mobility issues get around town without a car.
I love this sub so much. It’s as if confidently incorrect had a weird little clone with just the right mix of sass, poorly thought out arguments, and environmental awareness to vex both cyclists and drivers in equal amounts.
The issue isn’t with cyclists being on the road, it’s with them blocking the road while going significantly slower than traffic. Motorbikes aren’t a similar problem because they’re quick enough not to disrupt everyone else on the road.
Edit: For the benefit of the downvoters - I’m a cyclist, you dopey fucks - I’m just honest about the issue drivers have with us. Making up this bullshit just makes us look like liars that don’t understand the people we’re sharing the road with, and our reality-based arguments work perfectly well. Be better.
Oh - absolutely - I just think that grounding the argument on this dishonest nonsense only undermines a good idea that can stand on the reality of its merits.
…those downvoting a simple reality-check from someone that otherwise agrees with you only demonstrate a willful disconnect from reality.
What are we supposed to do? We can’t cycle on the sidewalk, and if we get closer to the curb, it gives many drivers the false impression that they can overtake without crossing into the other lane, not to mention all the potholes, drains, and trash that we then have to cycle over.
It seems like a dick move, but I promise you that most cyclists are purposefully being in your way to make sure you notice, slow down, and give us space. We’re just as unhappy about being around your car as you are to see us. We’d happily fuck the fuck off to our own little lane if someone gave us one.
I’m a cyclist too - it’s not an easy situation. It’s easy to say the answer is good bike lanes, but we’ve also got to deliver on that. I’m the meantime, it’s a case of riding responsibly on the road - without inventing unnecessary, dishonest strawman arguments about what concerns motorists. That does more harm than good.
The main question for me is what kinds of paths this is expected to use.
If you can take this on bike paths and into pedestrianized areas, it clearly already has a small niche. If it can only fit on a regular car lane, it’s terrible.
It is clearly much wider than any normal bike, meaning it would allways use up most of the space on the bike path, it is heavy and dangerous to other bikes in a collision, and since it has to stop for deliveries it will clog up the bike paths.
No, just use a milk float on normal roads, way better than a normal van, and it can use existing infrastructure that it was actually designed for.
Sounds like an opportunity for locals to make some noise! Those businesses need to present data probably but it seems like an easy win to me. Maybe do something else for the traffic challenge.
Definitely not practical and not designed for the person that uses it. Great way for companies like Amazon to save a buck while making life harder for the people that get paid the least.
Hardly any protection from the elements
no place to put a drink or anything
have you ever been on a bicycle seat all day?
not safe if your on a road with cars/trucks
Maybe it would work for a college campus or something, but small electric box trucks would be far better for the person doing the work.
I imagining driving around a giant AI server, like hedonism-bot, and it just yells at the driver to pedal harder because he’s using too much electricity.
Civilized Cycles has a starting price of $4999 for the CC Model 1, 60 mile range, released in 2020.
In the mean time , the cool thing is that truck bikes already exist, e.g. the oldest US bike manufacturer, Worksman Cycles, and they've worked out the electrification part, too.
Trucks have their uses, but you run into problems with them in cities. Think of the stories you hear about trucks double parking in NYC, and the crackdowns on that there.
The advantage of this seems to be that it’s narrow. You’ll probably be able to take them onto bike paths and into pedestrianized areas easier, and have fewer problems parking them.
Yes, they’re not a great solution for deliveries to a suburban stroad. But equally, a truck is a terrible delivery vehicle in downtown Barcelona.
More shit to clog up the bike lane. No rear view mirrors, so no awareness of anyone behind you. Riders can’t see around you. They will park in bike lanes to make deliveries. I’m not against the idea of replacing delivery trucks with bikes , I’m just realistic about how these will be used.
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