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lemmylommy, in Berliners rave against the motorway as extension threatens 20 cultural venues

„The highway would bring extreme noise and pollution to the city.“ - a DJ

I wonder if he gets the irony in that.

PunnyName,

Ah, you’re one of those people who doesn’t like music. A rare find!

ShroOmeric,

I’ll surprise you with a fact: a DJ only bring noise to people who asked for it.
Not so much the highway.

gonzo0815,

Are you aware of the difference between “once” and “all the time”?

lemann,

The DJ is paid to make the noise, good noise at that too 🤸‍♂️🕺

The cars… not so much. I’d rather a couple nights a year of boom boom music, than revving, whooshing, beeping and inevitable road repair/construction noises back-to-back non stop

elouboub, in Berliners rave against the motorway as extension threatens 20 cultural venues
@elouboub@kbin.social avatar

They brought it upon themselves. This is being pushed by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and Social Party of Deutschland (SPD), which were confirmed another legislature period of 5 years in April with 64% voter participation.

Decisions are made by those who show up. Now they'll have to live with these idiots in parliament until 2026. I feel for them, but if ~40% of voters can't be bothered to show up to the urns, you have a large part to play in the reason for this even being possible.

sndrtj, in World of machines vs. world of humans

To be fair, drive-in also exists in Europe and really took a flight during Covid.

Doxin,
@Doxin@yiffit.net avatar

Have one to look at on google maps. Not too different other than the parking spaces being way smaller. Do note the cycle path though, recognizable by the red asphalt. Cycling to this place is super doable, and they have a sit-down dining area if you do.

Note too how this is in an industrial park, if you go north-west a bit you’ll find a residential area which is MUCH less made for cars than the industrial park.

lemann, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).

Ugh… looks like rivian and range rover made an ugly baby.

How long until they start making these things the same size as buses? These vehicles getting bigger and bigger is sure gonna help ease traffic, and absolutely totally not occupy more space on the road for no good reason… ^^/s^^

malloc,

Have you seen the Hummer EV? 9,000 lbs fully loaded.

It’s close to a type A school bus which starts at ~10K lbs.

The smallest school bus is known as a Type A. It carries only 10 passengers and comes in at the lower end of 10,000 pounds. Type B buses can seat up to 24 people but are the same standard size as Type A. This leads them to weigh around the same as Type A buses

drivinvibin.com/2022/10/21/school-bus-weight/

lemann,

Oh hell no, that’s heavy AF. I would not want to get hit by that thing!

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

heavy with no crumple zones like a model T while going at modern speeds.

squiblet, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

I don’t even enjoy driving full-size trucks or SUVs. Though high up, they’re hard to see out of… the giant hood is on your way when off-roading and you can’t tell if you’re about to drive off a cliff. Can’t see children in front of the car, or anything behind it without a rear view cam. Poor stopping and turning, harder to park, terrible fuel economy.

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

do you feel cool however? /s

ShadowRam, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).

Saw one on the road.

"Wagoneer" is absolutely the top of my list for the STUPIDEST name for a vehicle. How that makes it out of any boardroom is just unfathomable.

Rememo,

The Wagoneer model started in 1963. Been around a LONG time. The classic models are actually pretty cool, but the 2024 is generic.

WashedOver,
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

I recall renting a Grand cherokee in 2016 and being disappointed to find it was like driving a caravan in a lot of ways. Nothing like the older Grand and regular Cherokees I use to own.

The “new” Cherokee seems to be like a slightly larger Patriot clone. It’s like the movie industry creating new movies with old names. The new stuff is usually not as good or completely different.

Feliberto,

I agree Wagoneer is a stupid name, but I think Mitsubishi Pajero is worse, “Pajero” meaning “Wanker” in chilean spanish.

HelloHotel,
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

“Pajero” meaning “Wanker” in chilean spanish.

what kind of process and/or lack thereof need to happen to have that anything with that name be put out into the world by Mitsubishi.

Bluefalcon, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).

Holy shit, could you imagine getting a 2024 car with 16mpg.lol why?

malloc,

Got to compensate for those insecurities bro.

I mean, I am going to use it to tow my boat everyday AND drive my 8 person family around 24/7, DUUUH

Redscare867, (edited )

You drive a more fuel efficient vehicle? What are you poor or something? /s

Seasoned_Greetings,

You jest, but cars absolutely are a modern status symbol. To the point where getting a better car is the first thing the average American does when they make enough money to jump up a class. It’s woven into the fabric of our society.

From the perspective of middle going to upper class, fuel economy is a staple of the class that still worries about paying for gas.

Mr_Blott,

Yes, if it was an Aston Martin, not a pile of shit that looks like a pig having a seizure

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

Because I want a luxury vehicle that tows?

HelloHotel, (edited )
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

I know its easy pickings to make fun of those that treat a sled dog like a show dog. And to have a utility vehicle and/or a luxury vehicle is fine. But everything about the design is conflicted between utility and fun. I got a rental ford flatbed truck, it was a weird experience. To me it’s cabin felt more like a toy than a utility truck but the bed was no frills. It was very capable to get its (mild to moderately difficult) task done. The cabin played an electricity sound effect when opening/closing the doors. It confused me multiple times into thinking the thing had an electrical short. I must have failed to recognize that it’s actually the car refilling its flux capacitor. (its fine to have luxury, but gimmicks are an odd thing to put into this identity crisis of a light truck.)

HelloHotel, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).
@HelloHotel@lemmy.world avatar

Amazon Fire TV built-in

okay, DAFUQ?

EDIT: ohh… its likely for your kid and not for the driver.

RecursiveParadox, in Dutch residents will have to ditch their cars for sustainable transport system
@RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world avatar

Yes of course long term we will need to get rid of privately owned (but not shared) cars, but time is far in the future. Even here in NL the infrastructure just isn’t there for it. Yet.

And we have no real government at the moment, and god help us with the elections coming up.

lorez,

I enjoy driving, sightseeing, going on mountain roads. I don’t see public transport ever offering that.

rippersnapper,

Which is why shared cars as opposed to everyone or every household owning one makes sense. You’ll be more thoughtful of when you need it rather than using it because it’s always there.

lorez, (edited )

This creates availability issues for me and demand of cars issues for the market which translate immediately in loss of jobs for those who work in the sector, even mechanics and the ones who change your tires. Also the sentence “you’ll be more thoughtful of when you need it” doesn’t make sense. If I need it and it’s not there what am I supposed to do? Oh, well I should have thought about it. How could I know when I needed it? And I’m not too fond of people in general. Having some stranger drive my, ehm, our car? No.

AngryCommieKender,

Mechanics are going to be downsized with all the EV sales anyway. They just don’t need as much maintenance. I have had a Chevy Bolt since 2018. I haven’t had any routine maintenance, and I’ve just had to take the thing to the dealership once for a major recall, where they just flashed the BIOS. Admittedly, I don’t drive near as much as I used to, I’ve only put 60,000 miles on the ODO so far.

lorez,

That leaves out a ton of people from dealerships to engineers, from body repairs shops to carwashes, from manufacture to after market components. And we’ve got two cars per household. Let’s see how it goes with a quarter or less that. No.

danielquinn,
@danielquinn@lemmy.ca avatar

I love statements like this. It’s basically someone just deciding that gravity is inconvenient, so it won’t apply to them.

The world is on fire dude, and the only way it doesn’t get worse (we’re not even talking about fixing it at this point) is to dramatically change the way we live. Private car ownership is a big part of that. Your preference for living in a way incompatible with life on the planet does not entitle you to it.

But here’s the good news: you can still have a private car. You can even live in a distant suburb and the car can run on gasoline… but you’re going to have to pay for it. And you’re going to pay the actual cost to society for that preference, so it’s going to be very, very expensive.

Or you know, you can just take the train and plan your roadtrip holidays in advance.

lorez,

Let’s share everything then: PCs, pianos, houses. No, a car is something too personal to be shared. I smoke, the stranger doesn’t what happens? Or vice versa. He breaks the car who pays? Legal disputes. I need the car he’s using it, what am I to do? It can work for workers from the same office. One car brings 4, it’s ok. Other than that, forget about it. Not to mention the economics at play. A whole industry would collapse. If there’s something I learned in this life is that money comes before everything else. Trying to save this planet as I watch more and more people install AC in their house is hilarious. Colder for you, hotter for everyone else. And the planet. We’ll never save ourselves. There’ll be harsh selection. And lastly, if even EVs are a problem I dunno what else to try. Public transport doesn’t get everywhere, it never will, so it’s not a solution. Oh, and we’re not talking about gravity.

NarrativeBear,

The sharing concept is more like a Uber type deal, there is always a car available sort of thing. It’s not really a sharing with a neighbor or family member type thing where you are SOL if the shared car is not in your driveway.

lorez,

That brings the same economic collapse to the automotive industry and deprives you of the fun of driving while jacking up the prices.

AngryCommieKender,

What do you mean about no real government? Did they all go on holiday/vacation?

sizzling,

There’s an interim government until the elections as there was some drama causing the previous government to fall.

blue_zephyr, in Dutch residents will have to ditch their cars for sustainable transport system

Dutchman here. Our government has been systematically gutting funding for public transport. I have to extend my commute from 40 minutes to 2 hours if I want to take public transport. It’s also unreliable and outrageously expensive since they run it through the “free market”.

Fuck cars but there’s also no way in hell I will sell my car before they introduce some massive changes to our public transport.

veganpizza69,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

Our government has been systematically gutting funding for public transport.

silent privatization

Noodle07,

The one thing the EU is fucking up, forcing the free market where we don’t want it

tim1996,

Its only doing that because it has been told to. We should tell it to stop.

danielquinn,
@danielquinn@lemmy.ca avatar

I used to live there back in 2015. What’re the prices for intercity trains these days? I remember NL trains being very cheap (€20 Amsterdam to Mastricht). Here in the UK is £50 from Cambridge to London (roughly a ⅓ the distance) so I hope you’re still doing better than here

With that said, I hope you get some more green/left types in government this time around. I’m watching your election closely from here!

blue_zephyr,

Amsterdam to Maastricht will set you back 30 euros these days.

const_void, in Just another day on a stroad

Holy shit. There’s already a memorial there. We have a few roads like this in Portland where pedestrians and cyclists get killed over and over. The city responded by putting up new speed limit signs and one of those radar speed displays but it hasn’t changed anything. Folks still drive as recklessly as ever.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

So absolutely nothing?

Someone who’s going to crash into a pedestrian doesn’t care what the speed limit sign says, and the radar speed signs can’t give you a ticket so people just speed up to get a high score.

neanderthal,

Why not put bollards there to protect anyone on the island from being mowed down? Cheaper than the camera and safer. The families should sue the hell out of the city for not putting a protective barrier there after the first death.

rmd6502,

@const_void @qnick While enforcing speed limits does help, the real problem is enforcing right of way; i.e. that it doesn't always default to me

neanderthal,

I think the real problem is the pedestrians don’t have any physical protection. It is a numbers game. Even if 99.9999% of drivers can navigate that intersection fine, it doesn’t take long for the 1/1,000,000 that is drunk, up all night with a sick infant, etc to plow into pedestrians. Probably every month or two based on that kind of road’s capacity. People need to start suing and make it too expensive to not put barriers around the pedestrian island.

rmd6502,

@neanderthal precisely - drivers need to internalize not only that right of way applies to "softer" targets, but also that they don't have the right to operate a 2 ton weapon when impaired. Uber is expensive, but cheaper than murder.

neanderthal,

The point with impaired driving is that car dependent infrastructure is the problem. Plenty of drivers use Uber or cabs when impaired. When you have millions of drivers going through intersections like the one pictured with no feasible alternative, deadly crashes are going to happen.

they don’t have the right to operate a 2 ton weapon when impaired.

Unless we fix the mandatory car ownership prevalent in most of North America, it really should be treated as almost a right. How else are people going to realistically safely get where the need to go?

frostbiker, (edited )

Unless we fix the mandatory car ownership prevalent in most of North America, it really should be treated as almost a right. How else are people going to realistically safely get where the need to go?

Just think for a moment about what you just said: “[car ownership] should be treated almost as a right”. I.e. it shouldn’t really matter how terrible of a driver you are, you should pretty much guarantee that you will be allowed to drive.

Well, that is how it already works today, and look at how safe the roads are. The lack of safety is a consequence of allowing shitty drivers to stay on the road.

Maybe we should do the opposite: have more stringent licensing requirements for heavier vehicles. Maybe if only good drivers were allowed to operate heavy machinery like pickup trucks and SUVs then the roads would be safer for everyone as the worst drivers would have to use lightweight vehicles, which are less deadly to others.

And if we took away people’s cars along with their driving license when they drive dangerously, it would be even better.

neanderthal,

Well, that is how it already works today, and look at how safe the roads are. The lack of safety is a consequence of allowing shitty drivers to stay on the road.

The lack of safety is because we can’t get shitty drivers off the road because there is no other feasible way to get around much of NA. Even taking licenses away doesn’t do much because people will drive without them due to necessity.

We can’t get start imposing more barriers until we provide alternatives. I.e. usable transit, usable bike infrastructure, abolishing euclidean zoning. Until that is done, people all but have to drive to get around.

rmd6502,

@neanderthal so true. But public transit was invented like 120 years ago, must be outdated...

Lowered_lifted,
@Lowered_lifted@lemmy.world avatar

You talking about Powell? Gladstone and Cesar Chavez? Burnside and MLK? There are so damn many intersections that cyclists have died at

pixelle,
@pixelle@midwest.social avatar

Smartphones have made drivers exponentially worse.

An_Ugly_Bastard, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).

Not as ugly as a Rivian

Hoomod,

The suv looks fine

The truck looks a bit wonky

malloc,

Or Cybertruck 😂

DLSchichtl, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).

Such a weirdly specific thing to be angry about. You guys are weird.

Pat12, in Dutch residents will have to ditch their cars for sustainable transport system

For example, the earth only has so much of the precious metals needed for electric car batteries.

They’re largely found in China too

baggins, in What kind of asshole is buying this shit (2023 Wagoneer by Jeep).

It’s just a knockoff Tahoe.

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