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benjiman, (edited ) in Fort Wayne police sergeant fined $35.50 for fatally striking pedestrian in crosswalk

For $35 it’d honestly be less insulting if they didn’t fine him at all.

sph,

Isn’t the fine for the traffic violation? The compensation from a civil lawsuit will follow I presume.

This makes sense in my opinion. Violating traffic rules should result in the same fine regardless of whether you hit someone or not (like drunk driving isn’t more OK just because you got lucky and didn’t happen to hit anyone). But if you do hit someone, expect to compensate all costs and damages to that person or family on top of the fine (that goes to the state).

That said, I wish traffic violations would be fined much more harshly. Also if you didn’t hit anyone during your reckless behaviour.

Haywire,

It does make sense. He should probably also have been charged with manslaughter or reckless endangerment.

transmatrix, in Fort Wayne police sergeant fined $35.50 for fatally striking pedestrian in crosswalk

Can the family still file a civil wrongful death suit?

FredericChopin_,

You’d hope so. They do seem to a litigious country.

Bizarroland,
@Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

Haha, us silly Americans, filing a lawsuit at the drop of a hat.

It seems like every time a cop runs over a bicyclist and the grand sum of their penalty is $35.50, enough money to almost afford pizza for a family of four, somebody has to file a lawsuit!

We're so silly, we are such a silly country.

essteeyou,

You know as well as anyone that you picked a bad example.

Here are some better ones.

Bizarroland,
@Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

I picked an example that was exactly pertinent and relevant to this specific chain of conversation.

I bet you're one of those people that thinks the McDonald's Hot coffee lady was an absurd lawsuit.

essteeyou, (edited )

The coffee was unreasonably hot, right? Fair enough.

Did you see any of the examples on the link I posted that clearly show America is incredibly litigous, which was the point of the reply?

Bizarroland,
@Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

Yes, the problem is that there is no redress of grievances outside of the legal system.

The only options are

1: to keep things as they are

2: to make it so that if something happens you just can't sue anyone and tough luck, or

3: institute a new system, in which case you have to get such a huge percentage of the population on board with your new plan that it basically amounts to a constitutional amendment.

So you can complain about how often people sue each other all you want, but until you come up with a new and better solution and actually get it passed then all you're doing is griping.

essteeyou,

Right, let me just go and fix it myself or forever be silent. I forgot people aren’t allowed to complain about things.

Nemo, in Compare american vs japanese craftsmen-cars

95% of the craftsmen I know have panel vans. Easier to both organize and secure tools and materials, more overall room.

SwingingTheLamp,

I lived in (and now commute through) a neighborhood of older houses, and higher incomes, so I see a lot of contractor vehicles. It seems like it breaks down as landscapers and lawn services use the pickup trucks; trades companies (plumbers, electricians, HVAC, carpenters, painters, etc.) use vans or box trucks; and the independent guys tend to use Dodge Caravans. Nearby, the university uses fleets of kei trucks (the low-speed versions because “freedom”), Ford Model E vans, and Caravans. I think the landscaping crew has pickups.

There are an increasing number of company pickup trucks, but most of them appear to be pavement princesses, used only for their usual function: transporting egos, not equipment.

mrbubblesort, in Compare american vs japanese craftsmen-cars
@mrbubblesort@kbin.social avatar

To anyone claiming that the bigger one is the safer one ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-06/what-drove-japan-s-remarkable-traffic-safety-turnaround

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24499113/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-the-most-car-accidents

From the Bloomberg & NLM articles

From a safety perspective, kei cars have a lot going for them when compared with American-style SUVs and trucks. Their light weight generates less force in a collision, and their stubby front ends reduce driver blind spots. Research suggests that their occupants are equally safe as those inside full-sized vehicles.

TraceLines,
@TraceLines@kbin.social avatar

At first, I was going to criticize the collision speed of the example study, but found ( ok, I say found, I mean I googled for 15 seconds ) that the average American collision is occurring at less than 40mph, so good to go there.

Second, I was going to comment on the relative safety of being in the Kei truck and being struck by the 2500HD... but that just goes back to the 'participating in the arms race', so feels... stupid.

So, overall: Thanks for providing this. It directly answers the primary concern of 'what if I hit something tho'. There are some other angles I could nitpick on maybe, but they all feel like a kind of 'consolation prize' to the argument.

Hyperreality,

One thing you also need to remember, is that the smaller car has a far smaller braking distance and is more maneuverable, so is less likely to get in a crash. The lower centre of gravity also decreases the likelihood of a roll-over.

malloc, in Fort Wayne police sergeant fined $35.50 for fatally striking pedestrian in crosswalk

If you want to get away with murder in the USA, use a car to kill your victim.

Mac,

Bonus: make sure they’re on a bicycle.

Poggervania,
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

SLPT: Become a police officer if you want to murder people and get away with it

thenerdjournals,

not shitty LPT, an unethical LPT.

GreenMario,

Paid vacation too!

DragonTypeWyvern,

But they better not be cop themselves.

Then it’s a hate crime.

nilloc,

Cops still cover up cops killing cops, unless the killer is female or a minority.

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
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Or invite them over to your house and shoot them through the front door when they knock too loudly.

Rai,
DrCake,

Not just the US, the UK is the same unfortunately

silvercove, in Dutch residents will have to ditch their cars for sustainable transport system

They already bike everywhere.

TWeaK,

Yeah I mean just look at the bike parking at the F1 the other week.

dr_robot,
@dr_robot@kbin.social avatar

I wish :( The city centers are very walkable and there's plenty of safe bicycle infrastructure, but cars are still very clearly the dominant mode of transport. Every weekend there's queues to the parking garages in every part of the city.

coyootje,

I like the way most city centers are set up but I think public transport coverage should be improved in most places before the government starts trying to push people out of their cars. My local municipality is trying the same thing and making the same mistake, they’re not improving public transport but they are trying to discourage people from coming by car. How is that supposed to work if you can’t even get there properly if you live in a part of town that either has no connection or it takes you 3 to 4 times as long as it would take you by car to take the bus?

bob_wiley, in Just another day on a stroad
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  • Player2,

    Pedestrian islands can be done well, they just need thoughtful design and separate controlled crossing systems

    N1cknamed,
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    Nah that’s nonsense, safety islands are an integral part of good road design. They slow down cars, make it easier to cross and break up the sea of asphalt. You’ll find them all over countries like the Netherlands.

    qnick, in Just another day on a stroad
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    Here’s the place for the context: maps.app.goo.gl/5RAi2mcRYFSTJS4P7

    AceBonobo,

    7 lanes!!!

    Quaternions, in Fort Wayne police sergeant fined $35.50 for fatally striking pedestrian in crosswalk
    @Quaternions@lemmy.world avatar

    $35.50. Just remember this amount. This is the amount a human life is worth in this fucked up country of ours.

    Bizarroland,
    @Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

    That was only when people felt obligated to step in and force them to pay some sort of remuneration

    Mongostein,

    Well, cops get a discount because they own us and all.

    /s

    lntl, in Just another day on a stroad

    I try not to stick around if there a memorial near by. It’s like coming across a piles of bones when in the forest: not a good place to hangout.

    cooljacob204, in Fort Wayne police sergeant fined $35.50 for fatally striking pedestrian in crosswalk

    I think the fact he was a cop doesn't have much to do with it.

    This country just really doesn't seem to care if someones shitty, aggressive, dangerous driving kills someone (unless they are under the influence then throw the book at them!).

    Bizarroland,
    @Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

    In America if you're a civilian and you run over somebody by accident and kill them you can still be charged with negligent homicide and spend several years in prison for it.

    Unfortunately those kinds of simple, logical rules for some reason don't seem to apply to the cops that kill far more people on average than any other group in America.

    cooljacob204,

    Sure you could but it doesn't seem to ever happen.

    obinice, in Fort Wayne police sergeant fined $35.50 for fatally striking pedestrian in crosswalk
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    Well, at least they finally admitted the value of a human life, and it’s £28.

    Everything makes a lot of sense now when you consider that a person is worth what, a mere 14 bus tickets?

    starman2112, in Fort Wayne police sergeant fined $35.50 for fatally striking pedestrian in crosswalk

    After the crash, Hartup issued a statement saying that as he was completing a turn at an intersection, “I struck a pedestrian. I immediately stopped my vehicle, grabbed my radio, and started aid to the pedestrian, and called dispatch to send medics.”

    It gets a little harder to hate the driver when you find out that they did everything after the crash right. Guy still deserves jail time for fucking up driving again so badly that he ended someone’s life about it, but I’m not about to call for violence against him. Stopping and calling for help immediately is exactly what you should do if you hit a person.

    $35.50 is an absolute insult to the victim, though. I hope it’s hard to cope with taking a life knowing that you’ve only paid the equivalent of a tank of gas for it.

    snooggums,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    I assume he is lying unless there is video evidence that he did any of those things immediately.

    meco03211,

    Are you implying the police might lie to save face? The audacity!

    starman2112,

    Seems like something the prosecution’s lawyer would have an easy time proving by subpoenaing the officer’s dash cam footage. If anything, when the victim’s family takes the officer to court, they’ll subpoena it then. If the camera supports the officer’s testimony, you’ll never see it, because it won’t be used as evidence against him, and no one will bother posting a boring video that just supports a cop’s claims

    some_guy,

    I filled my tank on a road trip this week. I prepaid $50 and didn’t go over.

    BigUwU, in [Discussion] Opinion on Motorbikes as Car Replacements

    I think they’re fine.

    My biggest problem with them is the noise, but that can be solved with electric bikes.

    The thing is, in what I imagine as an ideal city with everything nearby, a motorbike wouldn’t really be that useful as you’d never need to go faster than an electric bike could take you.

    Jomn,
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    Noise is a huge issue. That aspect alone makes me hate motorbikes.

    Without any noise, they would be mostly fine, better than cars anyway.

    RubberElectrons,
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    Stock, they’re not supposed to be that loud per regulation. Even Harley’s,a brand I particularly dislike. Modern bikes have a computer-controlled valve before the muffler to attenuate noise for bikes over a certain power. This way big engines can be quiet when rolling around neighborhoods, but give you full power when you’re on the track.

    That people go wot on the highway, I also am not the biggest fan, but humans who like bikes, like going fast

    regul, in [video] This Tiny French City has a Better Metro than Yours | RMTransit

    I’ve ridden the Rennes Metro. It’s basically the only kind of metro that should be built today: driverless with platform screen doors and high frequency.

    It’s nice. Most metros in France are nice.

    Leer10,

    Driverless and weekend night service 😍

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